Medical-related question

[Trojina]

It's 61.4

I just don't believe it's just stress, it must be something else. My intuition tells me that.

Gotta trust it!
Stress may provoke it, but does 61 suggest stress as a cause?




The first time I got 61 the answer that popped up in my head right away was that it's autoimmune,
killing my own cells...But medically no one ever suspected that and I was never tested
for any autoimminune diseases. No one ever bothered.
It's not shampoo or conditioner, it a long-term
chronic problem. Mental strain?

Can 61 mean genetic, autoimmune, hormonal?

There is a type of hair loss when the follicle becomes sensitive to testosterone,
which in turn kills it or something like that.

Can 61.4 represent this process?

But the question was how to stop it....Though I do get 61 with different line combination
a lot when asking different questions about my hair...

So something in 61, something internal?

I now sound quite hypochondriac

Surely what you wrote here http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=9024

about your depression is absolutely linked to your hair loss, its all part of the same problem. I'm puzzled why you ask 'mental strain ?' when you know you are under mental strain as discussed in above link. So seems to me all the advice you got there also relates directly to your solving this hair loss problem...as does this thread about meditation http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=9056

I'm no expert but I'd say it very likley that what the drs told you, that your hair loss is due to stress is correct. I think causes of hair loss are pretty well known, I don't think you really need look any further for the cause. I've known several young women with the same problem...oddly one was my hairdresser. She couldn't understand why she reacted that way to stress...but anyway she did recover and her hair grew back when she was less stressed...seems thats just how some people react to stress.

I'm referring you back to old threads cos to me you aren't dealing with seperate issues here, they are all related. What you have to work on is your stress levels/depression. In the first link people discussed all sort of approaches, can't recall whether it was 63 or 64 you got but your answers suggested you really had to tackle the 'land of the demons' the demons being i presume your own depression.

But sounds like you kind of abandoned thinking this has something to do with you/ something you have to work on and are now looking for some other outside cause when it seems highly likley to me your hair loss is all part of the depression/metal stress etc.

In my experience hair loss in stress is not that uncommon, and you have said how you are suffering from extreme depression in the first link so rather than keep looking for outside for causes of hairloss i think you may be better dealing with mental stuff...IMHO that is

 

[tigerintheboat]

Zebras Don't Get Ulcers, but Your Horses Are Bolting

It's 61.4. I just don't believe it's just stress, it must be something else. My intuition tells me that.

Stress may provoke it, but does 61 suggest stress as a cause?

But the question was how to stop it....Though I do get 61 with different line combination
a lot when asking different questions about my hair...

So something in 61, something internal?

To start, you might be underestimating the role of stress. We are well adapted for small bursts of high stress from our animal heritage. When a zebra sees a lion, it is under stress and all its systems kick in, and it runs to escape.

But zebras don't get ulcers; they are well adapted to occasional short bursts of stress, but not the chronic stress of everyday life; traffic jams, loud advertisements, obnoxious people at close quarters, bad internet connections, missed buses and loneliness among the crowd. Human life is prone to these chronic low level stresses, but zebras are not.

(I haven't read the book, but a good friend at Standford has heard the author lecture, Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers. Sapolsky, a Stanford University neuroscientist, explores stress's role in heart disease, diabetes, growth retardation, memory loss, and autoimmune diseases such as multiple sclerosis.)

So take it from Sapolsky, stress is a real factor in dis-ease.

Now, your reading, H61.4 --> H10. The full moon is a high tension part of the month. Usually, it is the greatest time of tension in the month, or in a cycle. As I write this, the next full moon is very close...once you are within three days on either side, psychological effects of the moon are present. Although science has attempted to debunk this idea, it is well rooted in thousands of years of human psychology.

Why are we talking about the full moon? the text of H61.4

‘The moon almost full,
Team horse goes away.
Not a mistake.’

I would paraphrase as follows:

"At a critical part of your cycle, part of you wants to bolt off in another direction from the rest."

What does this mean for people? The Wikiwing continues: "A relationship ends; someone separates from their companions and becomes free to go their own way; a realisation that there is no yoke, no necessary connection." The belief that we must do something (get married, have children, get a degree)...these are all yokes that one's inner truth may oppose, and may need to separate from.

Bradford Hatcher translates the name of H61 as "The Truth Within." That gives it a different flavor in English from Inner Truth. There are many keywords associated with this hexagram, and we might just as well think "Have Faith in The Heart." There is some inner state, inner truth or inner need that we are not paying attention to.

Bradford says that although nothing is wrong "No mistake", he opines "If there is any wrong here, it is in the driver's idea of what the horse should be." The conscious driver may not want the horse to have its freedom!

So I would integrate all this and say.

(1) You are treading very carefully around something dangerous (H10). It is probably, maybe, a large external part of your life that seems fixed to you. It is not as dangerous as a lion in the moment, but something which can take away from your life in the long term.

(2) The Truth Within, the Heart is yearning and calling for something else. If you can find a way to let the horse, that wild, powerful part of you, go free and be "ok" with breaking loose, you will magically feel that the stress is gone and the hair is growing back.

(3) There is No Three!

Tiger

 

[neegula]

skeleton

i read that the position of the cervical influences the scalp; if we don't stand correctly with our head alligned in the right way over the spine, then the skin over our head become relaxed and roots of hair loose strength.
i know there are some good exercises for cervical and for skelp too.

:bows:

 

[ichinglover]

To Trojan, Tiger, Neegula

Trojan and Tiger,
I have many reasons to thank you both. Re-assurance is one of them, it's actually quite theraputic to hear that chronic stress can in fact be the main reason for depression, ops Freudian slip, I meant hair loss.

Yes, Tiger I don't feel chronic stress, rather I didn't feel it before on day-2 day basis, but then one day I just realized that i can't go on, can't work can't lave my house and so on )

Trojan, I can see how you connected depression and hairloss, it's onlly logical, but somehow I never saw this connection. Weird?

Tiger, can i paraphrase you and say that basically this reading says that I'm living my life NOT in accord to my deep desires/needs? But the isn't it a luxury to have a life like that?

I'd love to learn more about these wild horses of mine Could you may be suggest a line of questions for me to learn more and more importantly get more concrete answers, if possible

Neegula, thanks fo your post, If you have the set of exercises - please send them my way as my neck hurst as hell, on top of everything

So i asked
'What are the effecfts of stress on me"
got 18
Yi chign concurs!

 

[tigerintheboat]

Is Anger There?

I don't feel chronic stress, rather I didn't feel it before on day-2 day basis, but then one day I just realized that i can't go on, can't work can't lave my house and so on )

I hope to have a more full response to you later, but I just wanted to say for now that the fact that you did not feel the stress day to day is a sign in and of itself, that you are not processing what is happening to you each day correctly or at least optimally.

Usually, people who do not feel stress, or claim to not be bothered by things in their life, and then go to depression, have anger underneath. Depression is our way of saying that I can't (I am not allowed to) get angry, but depression is acceptable, so I will be depressed instead.

Do a thought experiment. Perhaps you would say you are not angry at anybody in your life. Just pretend. If you were going to be angry, who would you be angry at? If you were going to be angry, what would you be angry about. Go past the idea that you are not angry and pretend to be angry and see what comes up.

Share with us, if you can, the results of the experiment: not the details of what and who you were angry with, but whether you got angry. You really have to give yourself some space to try this and allow for the possibility that you could have anger that is buried, that you don't know about...don't give up if it doesn't come out immediately.

Tiger

 

[ichinglover]

Anger

I've been not working for almost two years, and I had time to think and to make debts
as I have noone really to support me.
Yes, apparently I'm angry, as I discovered during this past year, at many people, about many things...It's true I've never ever felt it before or/and the displays of my anger were not encouraged..Obviously...I do have many things to be angry about, it's true...
And now i conciously do not supress my emotions inside...So i do feel anger, how is it gonna help me, when you are angry people aren't sympathetic, when you are depressed - sometimes they are. Right now I wake up and go to be with one thought - when will it end? With this life I'm surprised I have hair left still

i guess the question arises now - what do i do with my anger? showing my anger off was only counterproductive for me, not many people would tolerate an angry woman ) I'm supposed to be nice, sweet and accomodating and people would gladly use these qualities to their advantage...Use and abuse my natural kindness...I never got from life what I really wanted, moreover I was told throughout my childhood and adolesence that what I want is truly absurd and I don't really need it...I was weak enough to agree back then...And now I don't even know anymore what I really want - I allowed everyone - well, my family, to decide that for me for many years..My profession, my geographical location on Earth, my non-existent romantic life - everything was influenced by the parents. You are talking about anger? Don't get me wrong, it's not that i was abused or molested in my childhood, or at least I personally don't remember,
I grew up with loving parents, who cared about my health, education, and well-being. So i can't even seemingly blame them And yet I do. Alternatively, i can blame myself for not standing up for myself and my wishes when i was a kid, for accepting their decisions passively, for going along with their view of what my life should be. But how can you blame a kid for that? And now I'm just broken inside...
I do have a profession that pays well, I live in a nice country, I'm not classically beautiful, but apparently cute, though my looks is another point and yet for 2 years I become a voluntary prisoner in my own house, crying all day long about my ruined life. How can I turn back time and relive 10 -15 years the way I wanted? I was robbed of my life. I had the stupid believe that other people(i.e. my family) know better whats right and whats wrong for me, that my desires are irrelevant, stupid, unreasonable and moreover I'm not good enough to get what I want ( e.g. my dad's remark to my mom when i was 18 - she has no body, meaning my boobs are not big enough). Naturally I haven't got what I wanted being conditioned that away. What am I supposed to do now? Disown my family? They don't even know why would I do that. They did thier best to educate me and bring me to the best country (countries) on Earth. What do I do now? on the bright side, they sent me to a good school, so at least I know English

Well, I've never meant to use this forum as my personal diary or a virtual shrink if you will, but somehow I just couldn't stop typing...

So an one can see, hair loss is not the only problem of my life

 

[Trojina]

well you have to think however much you think your life is 'ruined' it isn't really, you're still young and cute..and have an awareness of how your family influenced you and what you say about them probably rings bells for most people...not cos they are especially bad parents but because we all have this job to do of becoming who we really are which means struggling through all this kind of thing you talk about,.. its like a job of discovering, salvaging, struggling to get whole again, to find out who you really are, to know what you want., to give to yourself the approval and validation that others can't/won't. You're in the midst of a struggle and its hard,,,but its probably one we all recognise on some level...your not weird or alone in feeling like that

though I know you are depressed and so on I think here, on the forum, you come across as also having quite alot of life in you...i think your fires are still burning bright..i think theres plenty more to come...so watch out world !

 

[tigerintheboat]

Smiley Faces - A Pox on Them!

I've been not working for almost two years, and I had time to think and to make debts
as I have noone really to support me.
Yes, apparently I'm angry, as I discovered during this past year, at many people, about many things...It's true I've never ever felt it before or/and the displays of my anger were not encouraged..Obviously...I do have many things to be angry about, it's true...
And now i conciously do not supress my emotions inside...So i do feel anger, how is it

In your post about anger, you used seven (7) smiley face icons and zero icons of any kind that express any frustration! If you are trying to reduce stress, you should look for harmless ways to vent.

Warning: this is an off topic post that has nothing to do with the reading we are supposed to be discussing. And that always makes me angry when other people do that!

Ok, you know intellectually that you have anger. And maybe you have a few angry thoughts, but if you are having depressive symptoms, then you are NUMB. If you had energy flowing, you would not feel numb. We block up our energy because it is not socially acceptable, especially for women, to express anger!

The following quote is from a student of John Pierakkos, who was the founder of Core Energetics. I briefly worked with John in a workshop and then with students of John many years ago.

John taught me that I could not fully experience my spiritual core until I worked to uncover the way I cheated my life force -- the way I held back my true self. He asked me, “How do you kill your Life Force? How do you kill your loving feelings?” By asking that he meant how did I stop my energy flow. I was the one who stopped it now and I could not blame anyone else, past or present. John would tell his students, "The tragedy is not what happened to you as a child, the tragedy is that you can not give or receive love now."

John showed me that in order to experience my divine spiritual nature I must uncover and expose my hidden wounds and express my negative feelings fully. John taught me to look for my distortions about life; how I drew negativities to myself, and how to work toward changing that. He taught me that I was the creator of my own reality and that I must take 100% responsibility for my life , and that by doing so I would experience a most wonderful freedom.

I think this quote applies to your situation better than anything I could write. If you begin to really uncover the wounds and express the feelings fully, you can not stay depressed and everything will change.

You probably need help to do this. In the absence of you finding the right practitioner to help you, beating the bed with a tennis racket will help get the energy moving. Ways to Release Anger!Those who think this does not work are wanting the energy to go away. But what you really want is for this energy to be moving and available to you, instead of going into depression.

Here is a website you can look over about Core Energetics. I hope it helps give you the idea of what you might be missing in your life.
Pamela L. Chubbuck Core Energetics South

And now I hope to return peacefully to the readings...

Tiger

 

[ichinglover]

Trojan,
thanks for your encouragement! I seem to have lots of energy for self-destruction, thats for sure
Tiger,
interesting observation yuo made there about smiles in a such a depressive text...Thanks for the referal. I'll check it out, it does sound very true true me, I agree.

I also asked one more question about the hair ( in the light of this mind-body situation)

What is my body telling me by my hairloss?

3.1.2.4 -> 47

I'm exhausted? what else is new..

 

[tigerintheboat]

Horses

Tiger, can i paraphrase you and say that basically this reading says that I'm living my life NOT in accord to my deep desires/needs? But the isn't it a luxury to have a life like that?

I'd love to learn more about these wild horses of mine Could you may be suggest a line of questions for me to learn more and more importantly get more concrete answers, if possible

I am not sure it should be paraphrased that way. It reduces it, as you see, to something that sounds like a fairy tale, and thus out of reach. A BMW is a luxury; sanity is a necessity.

Here is a recent quote from Hilary about horses:

I find that what Balkin pointed out - that horses run with the herd by default, which is why you have to train them - is consistently useful. So you are putting in a lot of work to overcome that instinctive herd behaviour. The horses can be in your mind, your habits, the patterns of a relationship... in any case, lots of wonderful, useful, valuable energy there if you can just stop it thundering off automatically....

I would tend to think of the horses in your case as energy relating to emotions. Emotions are pretty fast and stronger than thought and tend to run off sometimes, like wild horses. We don't want to turn them into fake horses or tame horses, with no energy. We want to put that energy to our use.

Tiger

 

[tigerintheboat]

More Horses

What is my body telling me by my hairloss?

3.1.2.4 -> 47

Notice the horses again...You are at the beginning, experiencing difficulties (H3), and in Line 2, "Difficulties create an impasse, like a team of yoked horses pulling against each other."

Again, in Line 4: "Like a team of yoked horses, pulling against each other, Nevertheless, one strives for union."

The team of yoked horses, pulling in different directions, and the one horse bolting off at the full moon, the height of the tension, those are your images.

Tiger

 

[samoyedgrrl]

Let me just say that although at times I want to strangle Yi, overall I love the IC.

I'm currently going through some of the same health issues that ichinglover did in this old post. I've got cardiac issues and hairloss that are obviously the result of a thyroid gone bad. Doctors are trying to address the cardiac issues and are pretty much disregarding the thyroid angle. Instead of investigating the possibility of Hashimoto's (autoimmune disorder) or attempting to bring up my T3 numbers, they appeased me with a higher dosage of a T4 medication. I'm at my wits end.

So, I casted for myself today "Will my health improve with the higher dose of thyroid medication now?" and got 61.4 > 10. It's like Yi took my hand and brought me to this post to read. For the on-topic and off-topic discussion, it was something I needed to see. Thank you Hilary for having this awesome forum! It has helped me in ways I doubt you ever envisioned when creating this fabulous resource.