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How did you mean the pigs ending up on plates was the real moral of the story - sounds like you think the retreat in 33 is no use ?
I know you're joking but in 33 one does escape and its not always the sense of running away from but running towards the inner world in order to preserve ones values isn't it ? How did you mean the pigs ending up on plates was the real moral of the story - sounds like you think the retreat in 33 is no use ?
For immediate situations that may well be the case, and should be used as directional advise--just as any other hexagram--but time flows. Never feel too comfortable with an auspicious answer nor despair with an inauspicious one. Try to see the middle path and get back on it. Much easier said that done, of course.
IMHO, one must not forget the basic tenet of the Yi: "The immutability of change". I believe the essential use of the Yi is to, on the one hand, slow down the pendulum when the status quo is desirable (think dynasties); and accelerate it when it is not, just to slow it down when the desired situation is reached. Without a tool like the Yi we have no control of the proverbial pendulum and we are at its mercy; just riding the roller-coaster. Thus, a timely "retreat" is no guarantee that, in the end, you will not get caught.
Well thats good advice - except I'm wondering if that applies if you get an unchanging hexagram - but I guess thats another thread
Luis:...about piglets and retreats, I'm sure you've seen one of the games that is played in county fairs (ferias rurales) in which kids run after piglets and try to catch them... regardless of how good they are, they always end up in our plates...
The market-place, where in former days were held a weekly market and celebrated fairs, lends a charm and interest to the place. Grassington Feast a century ago was one of the most celebrated in Craven, and was kept up many days, whilst feasting and revelry ran riot. “Clock dressings,” so named from friends being invited to “cum and dress ‘t’clock, &c., sack racing, bell racing, mummying, hasty pudding eaters, sword dancers, pace eggers, pole climbing, soaped pigs to catch. added to which were badger and bull-baiting, etc.
from: http://www.oldtykes.co.uk/Elmetour II.htm
Kodomo No Hi (Children's Day) falls on May 5th and is one of the most popular national holidays in Japan. Although it is called Children's Day, it originally started as “Tango no Sekku” (Boy's Day) similar to Hinamatsuri (Girl's Day). After World War II it was changed to celebrate the health and growth of all children, in hopes of uplifting the spirits of Japan. Families hoist Koinobori (cloth carp streamers). These can range in size from a few feet to several meters in length. Koinobori are believed to be strong, spirited fish that are known for their determination in fighting up streams and through powerful waterfalls. Some are hung off balconies and others are hoisted up on huge flag poles.
Rosada:Mountain under heaven: the image of RETREAT.
Thus the superior man keeps the inferior man at a distance,
Not angrily but with reserve.
The mountain rises up under heaven, but owing to its nature it finally comes to a stop.
Troyan:Well thats good advice - except I'm wondering if that applies if you get an unchanging hexagram - but I guess thats another thread
Simon Weil argues that the true hero in the Iliad is force. Force enslaves: one is swept away and blinded by the force one thinks one can handle. Force is today as yesterday at the center of human history.
Hi, Dobro:I think that, rather than reveal some secret pessimsitic attitude tht Luis has, the 'pigs on a plate' line reveals his inability to resist making a joke.
Luis:Hey!! I resent that! ..
"Withdrawal at the tale. Disaster..."
Wei 尾 ... shows a man or animal with a tail, and 'tail' is therefore the common translation. But Wei 尾 also means 'the mating of animals', and that would make the translation 'withdrawal during mating'. Nice thinking, but probably we are dealing here with a military action...
NO GIRLS ALLOWED !!!They don't?? That's first!! ...
The Trojan Horse
Trojan comes from Greek mythology, in which the Greeks battled the Trojans (people of Troy). After years of being unable to break into the fortified city, the Greeks built a wooden horse, filled it with soldiers and pretended to sail away. After the Trojans brought the horse into the city, the Greek soldiers crept out at night, opened the gates of Troy to the returning soldiers, and Troy was destroyed.
I guess you don't know much about the ocean shipping biz and how influential and how much clout Greek shipowners have, right? I love the country, the people and the food (addicted to olives and chilled Retsina wine<<----), I used to travel there every other year for the Posidonia Shipping Conference and then spend a week or so doing my rounds around Athens and Piraeus. Sigh, I miss those trips.
María:Charly mentionent Troy ...The Greek troops actually never retreat...
Getojack:...At the tail in retreat. This is dangerous.One must not wish to undertake anything...~ Wilhelm/Baynes ~
In a retreat it is advantageous to be at the front. Here one is at the back, in immediate contact with the pursuing enemy. This is dangerous, and under such circumstances it is not advisable to undertake anything. Keeping still is the easiest way of
escaping from the threatening danger.W/B
I believe so. Mountains where doors to the other world, sacred places for sacrifices, access to heaven and earth. In our inner withdraw we have more ease of contact with that sort of things.
That is why in most hexagrams with mountain trigrams, there is embedded the meaning of a door, a door that leads to an inner light. For keeping still in meditation is the doorway to the spiritual world. As such, hexagram 20 line 2 says "contemplation through the crack of a door. The doorway to the spiritual world has opened just enough that we can get a glimpse of its sublimity, and as such recognize the reality of it. It is when we get into line four that we begin our training in this spiritual dimension. In line three we make the choice which world we want to pay the most attention to.
I belive so. Mountains where doors to the other world, sacred places for sacrifices, access to heaven and earth. In our inner withdraw we have more ease of contact with that sort of things.
You'r looking at the story with a very far perspective, like to see a village from a flying bomber.
Charly, I agree with your "close-up view ", But i don't understand what you mean about the "far perspective "
«Retreat» and not «victory» is the final, general law for all of us (3).
(3) meanwhile, who goes to clears us that we have danced? [«quien nos quita lo bailado?»].
«Retreat» can not lead to a «victory» ? To save ourselves ,even if we have withdraw from our initial goal ,for exampe, isn't that a victory ?
Can you explain footnote #3 and what do you mean by «quien nos quita lo bailado?». I google by found only pages in spanish (i think)
quien nos quita lo bailado?
Another one of those aphorisms that only makes real sense in the original language. A literal translation is, +/-, "who can take away what we've danced (or "already danced")?", meaning that, what you have already enjoyed in life, no one can take away.
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