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frank_r said:
Metal is the element for grief and contracted/ concentrated emotions, metal gives energy to a new beginning in water. And with making connnection with these emotions the fear of starting something new can go away.

In five-phase theory Metal is the realm of exchange (it links to the lungs and so the dynamics of oxygen/CO2 etc). As such it covers what we use in the methodology of exchange - our emotions but more so, more basically, there is a focus on replacement of 'something' by something considered 'better'. In this context the core emotions are of anger/love (and so the love element covers loss of love, grief, as the anger element covers fear). The overall focus in anger/love is on replacement and the love/grief connection introduces the overall emphasis on passion.

The pair of METAL, heaven/lake, map to the pair of EARTH, earth/mountain, where EARTH covers filtration rather than exchange. Filtration is where we apply rules, be they derived externally (earth) or from our personal experiences (mountain) in that filtation acts like quality control. In five phase the phase of EARTH 'controls' that of WATER and so of consumption (internal distribution) - we practice quality control re what we put into our mouths. (and so the filteration focus of mountain over thunder, we practice quality control in what we put into new infrastructure etc)

hex 09 has its roots in competitive exchange (heaven base) in which is operating a member of WOOD - production - but its time related form, wind, where we cultivate to become influencial.

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This idea aboout 'awesome change' doesn't tie in with my actual experience of this line in any way, my actual real lfe experience - which has for me to count for something in how i interpret the Yi. I have a good memory and remember quite clearly getting this line repeatedly when asking about a class I had to give where I lacked confidence in my ability to teach the topic area. The way I interpreted it then was kind of 'do your best, what you can do, even if its not perfect you get by' - which is exactly how it turned out. Er no awesome change. I don't see anything awesome about 9 ? You can lecture me about how it is so but if I never lived through a 9 time to see 'awesome' change enacted, it won't ring true for me.

I sometimes wonder when people are hung up on what is exactly the right word to use etc etc doesn't their own experience of that line count for anything ? Same with abstract analysis etc. Don't you find out what a line is made of, what its texture and its meanings can be through living it ?
 
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The term T'i as used in the traditonal commentary given in the ERANOS text covers:

"T''i : alarmed and cautious; respect, regard, fear; stand in awe of. The ideogram - heart and versatile, the heart aware of sudden change."

Now, if you use random methods to get this hexagram there is no indication it will be a 'best fit' and you will try and 'fit' the hexagram to the situation. Its overall nature will generate meaning but a review of other hexagrams for your situation should come up with a 'better fit' - OTOH most favour they are communicating with some 'spirit' who knows it all and so would not question what they get ;-) - to ask questions like that is 'not on' - but Science does ask questions like that and through that asking we start to see the richness of the IC way beyond divination dynamics.

To ask the question you did and expect a consistant 'best fit' reply shows delusion - iow that method is way past its best-before/use-by date... unless you demand some spirit to answer for you - and if that is the case, given the world as it is, that spirit is not to be trusted and you were being teased ;-)

Chris.
 
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Trojan, from the position of a 'changing line' all we can do it cover the change from hexagram A to B. In the case of 9.4 the focus is from 9 to 1 OR 1 operating in a context of 9. From a generic position we cover 'small gaining' developing into singlemindedness.
Thats it. Rosada is focusing on the traditional material and so the given line comments 'hover' around translations/interpretations of that material (e.g. I have used the ERANOS material to extract an interpretation etc)

The fact is there are 63 changing-line patterns of which there only 6 comments. We can focus on a 'wave' approach where each line is a different frequency then line 4 covers issues described by hexagram 16/09 - here the focus is on 16 so 09 + 16 = 01 - so there is a source of comment.

We can focus on XOR material to give us a clue as to what is going on (see previous text) so add that all together to 'guide' your own interpretation of what is going on - BUT you cannot associate meaning of a line change through your experience in divining since each moment for all will be unique and so there will be no consensus in meaning - any line, any hexagram can 'mean;' whatever you want and that is not what the IC is about - behind all of the differences is sameness and that can serve as a guide.

If you wish to believe there is some 'spirit' guiding the coin toss etc then I have a bridge in Sydney you may want to invest in ;-)

ALL hexagram will elicit meaning given a question since the IC 'overlays' the whole that is the question and so the question will have 64 aspects and we bring out one of them in the 'traditional' methods. We can do better these days - the spirit we have is that of our species, what connects us all, there is no need for any other form, and in fact it is the other forms that are causing a lot of grief at the moment across the planet ;-)

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Tell me more about that bridge then, Chris. :D
 

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Hex 9.5

Hex 9.5
If you are sincere and loyally attached,
You are rich in your neighbor.
 
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IC+ Line 5
"One avoids conflict by developing a sense of shared wealth with one's peers."

with/from small gaining (09) comes holding firm (26). (the focus in 26 is on the use of the 'wealth' of tradition - social capital - to maintain things. The focus on mountain in upper brings out the quality control, the discernment factor).

the infrastructure of this event is described by analogy to the change of 48 to 46 (foundation setting to getting more entangled, pushing upwards)

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lightofreason said:
- We can do better these days - the spirit we have is that of our species, what connects us all, there is no need for any other form, and in fact it is the other forms that are causing a lot of grief at the moment across the planet ;-)

Chris.


Other forms ? Other forms of spirits ? Hang on if other forms don't exist how can they be "..causing a lot of grief at the moment across the planet" Ah but you gave a wink, hmm. I don't think grief across the planet would stop if every one of us stopped belief in spirits of any kind and became pure humanists.( Didn't work that well for communism did it )

Sorry I'm still one of those deluded people who believes she is communicating with a discarnate being/beings - or a form of intelligence beyond myself. I guess this has been said a thousand times before to you Chris but you seem to think people refer to spirits/beings/ intelligences outside themselves purely from a belief angle. But they can come to one, speak to one in such a way their existence is undoubtable - so its not always a question of belief but experience.

Anyway I maybe be deluded but I'm finding your writing much easier to read and relate to lately and enjoying what you write about every line - but I'm not converted.

Trojan, the Deluded :cool:
 
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trojan said:
I don't think grief across the planet would stop if every one of us stopped belief in spirits of any kind and became pure humanists.( Didn't work that well for communism did it )

If we all became humanist we would not insist on imposing fantasy on each other as in 'my god is better than yours'. We could avoid the dynamics of monist religions that set the foundations for war and claim to be doing so for peace! The current 'crusade' behaviour of the US right wing government does harm to its reputation as does the response in the form of the crusade of fundamentalist islam and judaism.

The emergence of nationalist governments adds to the crusade focus (there has never been communism - only socialism as a path to communism and that done out of monistic focus on Stalin, Lenin, Bolshoviks etc etc and so manifesting the fundamentalist, totalitarian approach that is also present in nationalist governments in the form of fascists)

Marx's problem (as with Lenin) is that they were both idealist in their attempt to combat idealism! Marx considered himself to be outside of Capitalism, an observer as such, when in fact he was very much part of the dynamic in that he operated out of the position of filtration, the place in socioeconomics where we apply rules. Capitalism prefers filtration to be in the form of 'market forces' and so avoid regulation - let it all be self-regulating. This of course allows for exploiters to profit from being able to respond to some local opportunity 'quickly' - the early bird principle in that eventually balance is restored and so the profitability gone and one has to move on.

Since the 1850s (the level of Capitalism Marx wrote about) a lot has been done to implement regulations - we have laws covering times of work as well as laws protecting exploitation of workers (children etc). However, due to the nationalism etc so those laws are not shared with other nations and so Capitalism exploits THEIR children to feed OUR 'greed'.

The USA has its roots in escape from persectution. Australia has its roots in being persecuted (a prison colony) such that there is a sense of 'freedom' rooted in the psyche that is extreme, idealist, and as such at times a potential threat to the species psyche.

The exaggerated focus on personal freedom together with the excesses of that focus in the form of a demand for choices and the wastage of the products produced to satisfy that demand (and profit in doing so) means that we are killing ourselves and any one else for the sake of immediate gratification. Not good. (of note is the recent increase in finance circles on reading Marx since his prose did cover these sorts of issues. Marxist thinking is the other side of the coin to Adam Smith etc where the coin represents socioeconomic dynamics. As such we see emerge social-democrat governments that combine both sides of the coin, as we still see biases to one side or the other in republican USA or communist China. - and this is all yin/yang dynamics ;-))

Columbine and Port Arthur incidents show the level of disconnection present in these collectives where species-level social dynamics have been 'cut' and so the emotions associated with those dynamics now run free - no longer inhibited/excited by the social nature. Here is in Australia they removed all of the guns and set down strong regulation on posession of guns, in the USA they cannot do that due to the Constitution setting down in concrete the right to bare arms.

The issues come down to mindsets. The extremes of the Capitalist mindset ensures exploitation without consideration of consequences - the drive is for the 'new' and a focus on the 'eternal', the focus on eternal youth etc - IOW childmindedness rules. With this childmindedness comes amazing gullability - after all the child mind loves magic and so imagination takes over from reality, tries to impose itself upon reality to the exclusion of considering the consequences of such - there is no moderation, it is all a focus on 'freedom of expression' that is often tasteless, local, 'random', over-personalised that is then generalised and so elicits neurosis and so a culture driven to seek psychotherapy!

We could build efficent, long term, white goods as well as power supplies etc etc for the whole planet but that would lead to the eventual demise of the industry other than for spare parts service and so the capitalists would lose their exploitation position - so we just build in redundancy and focus on the 'new' all of time, without consideration of consequences for the people/planet...and all done with a mindset that includes fundamentalist religious perspectives as well where it is left to 'god' to clean up the mess!

As for grief, it is a mammal emotion, it is part of our species nature, it is hard-coded and is not related to any 'external intelligence' - it is just more refined in us due to our consciousness.

Focusing on one's species allows for appreciation of the diversity across the species as it adapts to local conditions and yet still retains 'like-mindedness' in the form of general brain structure - it is that structure that allows every member of the species to be capable of understanding such locally-derived metaphors as the IC. A humanist perspective suits the nature of the species - the idealism of the different monastic faiths cause issues (other than generic, secular, Buddhism that is humanist in that it recognises the spirit is IN us as part of our consciousness, a consciousness derived from basic cause-effect dynamics of neurological developments. It has suffered (!) from attempts to idealise it and so 'magicalise' it but the basic principles work well in development of consciousness - as such one can become a buddha - one cannot become JC or Moses or Mohammed.)

trojan said:
Sorry I'm still one of those deluded people who believes she is communicating with a discarnate being/beings - or a form of intelligence beyond myself.

You are connected to all other members of your species and fostering THAT connection rather than an imagined/magical one can benefit you over the long run. Taking on a particular religion means taking on a specialist perspective, a filter, and so blinding oneself to adapting to contexts by becoming neurotic in insisting that that religion applies to all contexts. The missionaries to the pacific islands soon found that to get their message across they had to include local elements - as McDonalds has found in introducing their foods to Asia etc.

The IC is an example of this in that its universal properties need grounding in local dynamics to be truely meaningful. And so IC+ covers the universals and so acts to GUIDE local perspectives, not to replace. In fact a good exercise, using the universals data, is to create one's own IC. The moment we focus on guidance rather than ideology assertion so we focus on consideration of context, consideration of consequences, and so a more humanist perspective free of idealist, universals oriented, perspectives that try to impose universals on all contexts

Democracy is the 'best fit' political system for capitalism in that it promotes a flat playing field and so easy access for exploitation - you dont have to panda to social hierarchies and so can exploit all without consideration of consequences. In that exploitation you build hierarchies but they are of one's own kind, capitalist hierarchies focused on profit as compared to socialist hierarchies focused on social capital, social profit. It is the social capital that acts to protect against mindless exploitations (but can itself become corrupt if not managed properly - we avoid neglect etc) - hex 26 protects local contexts.

trojan said:
I guess this has been said a thousand times before to you Chris but you seem to think people refer to spirits/beings/ intelligences outside themselves purely from a belief angle. But they can come to one, speak to one in such a way their existence is undoubtable - so its not always a question of belief but experience.

methinks you need to read a bit more about this from a neurological perspective. Neural thunderstorms can do amazing things to our experiencing - and that includes out-of-body experiences, vivid images, voices etc etc etc and all happening 'in here' with no 'out there' connection. It is all us - our species nature connects us explicitly and implicitly, you are never alone and if you feel you are you will find fellow species members happy to share with you and so re-establish contact ;-)

The realm of the magical is fun but it can create paradox etc and needs to be understood from a holistic position that covers the conscious and the unconscious and the IC can aid in that due to its allowance of secular and religious perspectives rooted in the same space - our neurology reflected in the structures of the IC in a clear manner.

Chris.
 
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A link to cover the Humanist perspective in general where it is obvious a focus on a guide principle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism

My focus is on what is coming out of the neurology where 'magical' experiences can be sourced in basic anomolies in neurology dynamics.

the exaggerations of the secular and the religious (and so include aspects of Humanism itself) are sources of problems in that the exaggerations elicit taking things literally rather than figuratively - and our neurology is already one step removed from reality and so is figurative to start with!

The extremes in capitalist behaviours encourage discretisation and in so doing create borders and so let loose complexity/chaos dynamics. The self-centred accumulation of wealth etc is well covered in hex 09 where the competitive roots in heaven focus on issuses of strong mediation in competitive exchange. LOCALLY thats ok, the local market dynamics flourishes in non-capitalist realms as well, but applying it GLOBALLY can become an issue.

We can see here the clash of local/global, local/universal, issues where enforcing universal on the local without adaptations will cause issues, as will generalising a local to a global without removing the local elements can cause issues.

Chris.
 
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Just to cover a point here re evolution of consciousness, as we as a species develop so individuals emerge from the general to represent the particular. The development of individual consciousness then takes us from the particular to the singular and so the unique. The position of the unique is 'unscientific' in that being unique so each of us is beyond compare. Thus we share space with our particular natures and they with our general natures as a neuron-dependent species (and so our species with other neuron-dependent species etc)

The fragementation into individuals means we create borders and so let loose complexity/chaos dynamics - the discretisation element forces competitiveness to dominate such that there is further social fragmentation/re-configuration.

In this focus on the discrete the ONLY 'Science' applicable is that of Freedom - i.e. Ethics and so issues of morality.

This gets us into issues of filtering and so of where we get our rules from - we can get them from the outside and this is covered in the filatration association with earth - devotion to another/others. OR we can recognise our unique natures and include ourselves in the filtering and so focus more on the association of filtration of this type with the trigram of mountain. This latter focus moves us into issues of quality control, to be discerning and so considerate of consequences of actions - earth-based filtration has no such consideration due to it be unconditional.

Earth forms of filtration focus on others - e.g. JC died for 'you'. Mountain forms of filtration recognise others but focus on your quality control, through YOUR suffering, not someoneelses, you develop discernment in that you share with all of the species GENERAL principles/instincts that can guide LOCAL adaptations and so YOUR development of your spirit. As stated before, YOU can become a 'buddha' but never a JC.

monastic religions work a power game by exploiting the 'path' to self-actualisation by intervention saying 'you' cannot do this yourself, you must go through us. The 'gangs' of followers then get exploited for socioeconomic/political agendas definitely not 'spiritual' in form! ;-) - IOW institutional faith is parasitic in form rather than symbiotic.

'secular' Buddhism, Taoism, Zen buddhism etc focus on development of self-consciousness through direct experience, not through the experience of another other than the scientific theme of 'walk in my shoes' - IOW try this algorithm as it may work for you too. The focus here is on TRY, not you must DO - and so recognition of local contexts.

Neuroscience is starting to bring out traits linked to a development of morality serving the many individuals and the reflection of neuroscience findings in the I Ching representations adds credence to the use of the IC metaphor to communicate such perspectives free of monastic influences - be they secular or religious. IOW any monism is GENERAL not particular and is general enough to lack specialist perspectives that limit freedom of adaptations (IOW in some contexts a 'christian' perspective is useful, in others a judaic, in others an islamic etc etc but all of these are in fact reflected in the realm of the general - learn THAT realm and adapting to contexts becomes easier, more efficent, then adapting/adopting some specialist creed (such as the 10th century BC I Ching perspectives! ;-))

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lightofreason said:
Marx's problem (as with Lenin) is that they were both idealist in their attempt to combat idealism! Marx considered himself to be outside of Capitalism, an observer as such, when in fact he was very much part of the dynamic in that he operated out of the position of filtration, the place in socioeconomics where we apply rules. Capitalism prefers filtration to be in the form of 'market forces' and so avoid regulation - let it all be self-regulating. This of course allows for exploiters to profit from being able to respond to some local opportunity 'quickly' - the early bird principle in that eventually balance is restored and so the profitability gone and one has to move on.

Since the 1850s (the level of Capitalism Marx wrote about) a lot has been done to implement regulations - we have laws covering times of work as well as laws protecting exploitation of workers (children etc). However, due to the nationalism etc so those laws are not shared with other nations and so Capitalism exploits THEIR children to feed OUR 'greed'.

Hi Chris,

I was wondering if you'd seen this film?
http://www.thecorporation.com/
It takes a look at capatilism from more of a socioeconomic stance.
Unfortunately I don't think capatilism will be eliminated as it serves for a useful incentive for some people - capatilist tools of imposing 'green' taxes on businesses with high harmfull emissions etc. Of course there will be people that set out to eliminate it, as there will be people to promote it. But these can balance each other out as in Adam Smith's 'Invisible Hand' theory.

Not IC related I know :bag: but some may find it interesting.
 
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Hi Chris,

I was wondering if you'd seen this film?
http://www.thecorporation.com/

oh yes! - I have the DVD, now passed on to my daughter for 'review' ;-)

nicky_p said:
Unfortunately I don't think capatilism will be eliminated as it serves for a useful incentive for some people - capatilist tools of imposing 'green' taxes on businesses with high harmfull emissions etc. Of course there will be people that set out to eliminate it, as there will be people to promote it. But these can balance each other out as in Adam Smith's 'Invisible Hand' theory.

The exploit/protect dichotomy is an asymmetric dichotomy mapped to the dichotomy of aristocratic/egalitarian. For comments on the history/dynamics see section on history in my draft "Language of the Vague" .pdf file -

http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/Vague.pdf

We cannot escape the yang/yin dichotomy aka differentiate/integrate dynamics but with consciousnes so we move into a focus on morality issues once the 'hype', the 'all is good' starts wear-off... and so we move into hex 59 realm ;-)

BTW - VERY IC related in that the IC covers 'all there is' and so covers the exploit/protect dichotomy. Capitalism follows the path of yang-based hexagrams and so replacement of context with something considered 'better'. The more Green-socialist positions are in yin-based hexagrams with their focus on supporting existing social context rather than asserting one's own.

The dynamics of the aristocrat/egalitarian is of interest in that if egalitarians move into the aristocratic context they suffer fragementation (the political arms of the greens/labour etc develop personality cults etc). When the aristocrat moves into the egalitarian realms they are driven to try and 'express' themselves and so 'transcend' that state! ;-)

Chris.
 
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BTW - an interesting property of fragementation and so formation of 'fundamentalist' organisations (and so corporations) is that the competitive nature between organisations is complemented by an increasing cooperative, egalitarian development WITHIN the organisations - 'social' services in the form of corporate housing, education, health plans etc emerge - issues Marx touched upon but lacked information on.

Thus WITHIN the boundaries of the collective emerges filtration 'rules' etc and the collective develops a 'moral' or 'corporate' code of conduct etc whereas outside of that boundary all is fair game.

Chris.
 
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Two recent books of interest here:

Beinhoker, E.D. (2006) "The origin of wealth" Random House

Glimcher, P.W. (2003) "Decisions, Uncertainty, and the Brain : The Science of Neuroeconomics" MITP

Chris.
 

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Hex 9.6

Hex 9.6

The rain comes, there is rest.
This is due to the lasting effects of character.
Perseverance brings the woman into danger.
The moon is nearly full.
If the superior man persists, misfortune comes.
 
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IC+ Line 6
"At the top one can be tempted to go beyond the current moment. Small gains have been accumulated to reach this point. Accept that."

with/from small gaining comes waiting (calculated)

with small gains we move into a sense of opportunism as covered in 05 (with/from perseverence comes control) with its focus on waiting for the right moment, the right opportunity to pop up. Given the small gains made, the success of that method, so the focus here is - dont push things, dont spoil it all by being potentially rash.

The infrastructure here is described by analogy to the change of 48 into 57 - covering issues of foundation-setting into becoming influencial. Once the foundation is set so the 'need' to become influencial becomes strong but that can be too strong (line 6 is 'beyond'), too tempting to go beyond what has been a successful methodology (as shown by the nature of 9.5 position)

Chris.
 
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Hi Trojan,
I was wanting to get back to you about your comment that you hadn't experienced 9.4 as being particularly awesome at all. Yeah, that's why I headed my post as "Thoughts..." as I realized others might not have shared my take on it. I made a point of posting my experience though, because it actually was what I was experiencing, not just some mental theory. That day, Friday, I had decided not to attend a gathering at my neighbor's as I just felt I didn't know anyone and had been included as an after thought. Just as I had worked myself up into a pretty good 3 demensional symbol of 9 as Lonely Grieving Soul, my other neighbor called saying, "you HAVE to come because I don't want to go alone either." Blood vanished and Fear gave way. No Blame! So I felt to post my strong impression of 9.4 to share, "Hey this line really can mean what it says, I've experienced it."
Since starting this line by line focus I have been watching my daily experience looking for an example of the line of the day. I thought this could be possible because even though the line of our study here might not necessarily be the "best fit" for my day, as Chris would say, still all 64 do manefest each day somehow, and we can find an example for each line if we look for it. Since doing this over the past 3 months it's gotten to be pretty nifty how the lines are manefesting more and more specifically, with less and less stretch of the imagination required. For example, yesterday was 9.5, "You are rich in your neighbor" and I did go to the neighbor's gathering and it was indeed a "rich experience" (Hot tub, full moon, violins and chocolet - Chris, there may not be a Gods, but I thank Them anyway!)
Anyway, I'm intending to share more of my daily experiences on this thread as they relate to the line of the day. If others feel similarly inclined I think that would be great. We'll eventually have a very useful store house of knowledge based on actual experiences - even if a poster can only say, "This line didn't fit me today."
 
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lightofreason said:
If we all became humanist we would not insist on imposing fantasy on each other as in 'my god is better than yours'.

Chris.

We don't impose fantasy on each other because we have specific religious beliefs, we impose fantasies on each other partly probably because thats the way our brain is wired to make sense of the world, make categories etc, partly through our emotional filters, projection etc etc. Humanists would impose as much fantasy on others as anyone else I think, but we stand to get pretty off topic if we continue this - but I do undertand, I think what you are getting at.

Rosada yes that experience you had exemplifies 9,4 pretty well. The blood, your apprehension vanishing when the other neighbour joined you. My issue was with the word 'awesome' which I couldn't see why it applied with this line.( Anyway I thought it was Chris who used this word not you) Ah well we move on.

Re 9.5 I find it can be so literal. I remember someone asking me to come on holiday but I couldn't afford it and they offered to pay. I asked Yi, got this line and accepted :)
 
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trojan said:
We don't impose fantasy on each other because we have specific religious beliefs, we impose fantasies on each other partly probably because thats the way our brain is wired to make sense of the world, make categories etc, partly through our emotional filters, projection etc etc. Humanists would impose as much fantasy on others as anyone else I think, but we stand to get pretty off topic if we continue this - but I do undertand, I think what you are getting at.

we are in fact very 'on' topic in the context of 09. Humanism is strong in Science where the focus is on facts, as in repeatability and falsifiability - use of reason to regulate emotion and so transcend 'outbursts', learn consequences of actions etc.

The 09 aspect is in the use of piecemeal research to build knowledge that influences rather than an individual that influences - the capital is not financial or social but knowledge, intellectual capital as such.

That said, Science is not so sensation-seeking as heaven/lake, it comes out of the realm of thunder/fire, especially fire where there is a boundary between known and unknown and we push that boundary outwards as we discover things. The emotional focus in general is then on acceptance.

In the realm of fire, the position of 09 translates to that of 37 and so again the focus on structure, here rigid in the form of a 'family' etc and so the acceptance issue rooted in the lake influence in the top position.

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9.6 I was thinking of you trojan, how is your arm? Less pain, can you use it already better than before?

Or are you still waiting, or are you free of the frustrating pain. Hopefully!
 

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Hi Frank thanks for asking :) I have a bit more movement and although its still painful I'm less bothered about it. Posting about it here was really helpful to me.

We kinda skipped over 9.6 a bit didn't we ? Well I like 9.6 I take it as instruction to chill :cool: even if its not that exactly thats how I like to take it.
 

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Yeah, didn't really give it the attention it deserves. Well, let's see...from Wilhelm...
Because the top line moves and becomes a broken line, "the trigram Sun, wind, becomes the trigram K'an, rain (and moon)" so "The rain comes."
The top trigram Sun is known for being gentle and devoted which is how it has accumulated within itself the powers of the Creative, so that the desired effect has been achieved. When this effect of The Gentle is attained, it must suffice. Should in insistantly presume upon its success, danger might ensue.(K'an can mean danger)

Well here on the home frount I have just learned that my dad and his wife are at long last going to come for a visit next week. (rain has been predicted) It will only be for a couple of days, I urged them to stay longer but three days is what they are comfortable with so I will not press for more. So in my I Ching I will say 9.6 means rain and a short visit, be satisfied.
 

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In 9.6, "The rain has now fallen..." - this is a symbol. I think it's a symbol of good fortune having been achieved (falling rain often being a metaphor for good fortune in Chinese culture). Here, the advice is (once the good fortune has been attained) more or less the equivalent of the modern expressions "quit while you're ahead" and "don't push your luck".

Not sure why it would be that one is advised to cease, rather than try to take advantage and build on the success, but it's worth pointing out that the two hexagrams are very mismatched in "strength" - the father vs. the oldest daughter. Many of the lines imply a sort of "influence" of the Gentle on the Creative - the weaker trigram has the higher place - from there it can influence, but not enforce it's will...

- Jeff
 

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I was at work today and I asked "What advice can you give me now about furthering my goals?".and my answr was 9.6. Although I usually don't like this hex at all, it gave me comfort today, and esp the line. It didnt feel like "don't push your luck" today, it felt like "You've gathered a lot of info, you've done the preliminary work, now rest for awhile and let it settle,form and gather strength (the moon is almost full)" So I closed up my office for a half hour and went for a beautiful carefree walk in the spring like weather. And it felt great.
 
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To me, 9 is the most boring time and hexagram. Gimme a break! I’m ready to meet the world, take on something new, rise to the occasion! Oh – it’s you, hexagram 9. :rant:

Even line 6 is a drag, like the nagging voice of a mother telling her kid to wear his goulashes before going outside to play in the rain.
 

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Interesting to see the contrasting views. I think perhaps listener touched on an aspect of 9.6 that is perhaps missed out on in a lot of commentaries... how to take best advantage of that pause time.

Bruce, that's interesting too. Don't forget, for many (most?) math homework is boring, too... but one has to think of the long-term benefits... [Do I sound like your nagging mother yet? ;-) ]

- Jeff
 
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jte said:
Bruce, that's interesting too. Don't forget, for many (most?) math homework is boring, too... but one has to think of the long-term benefits... [Do I sound like your nagging mother yet? ;-) ]

- Jeff

lol, yes. And I think you're absolutely right. 9 isn't a fun time but it is an essential one, just as are the other 63.
 

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LOL..that little ranting icon is usually exactly how I feel when i get hex 9, too.

For some reason, 9 is right now tied in my mind with the image of a woman knitting. The taming power of the small.....yet how powerful the presence of a woman who is knitting....creative, serene. mindful and quiet. You could sit at her feet and learn a lot from the silence.
 

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I think of 10. Treading as being the I Ching Super Highway. You have to really calm and simple and sure within to step on it. So 9 is getting your life real tidy and simple so you fit in with the throng without disruption and then as you keep it simple you find you can see the path, go with the flow, do 10.1.
 

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