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frank_r said:Metal is the element for grief and contracted/ concentrated emotions, metal gives energy to a new beginning in water. And with making connnection with these emotions the fear of starting something new can go away.
lightofreason said:- We can do better these days - the spirit we have is that of our species, what connects us all, there is no need for any other form, and in fact it is the other forms that are causing a lot of grief at the moment across the planet ;-)
Chris.
trojan said:I don't think grief across the planet would stop if every one of us stopped belief in spirits of any kind and became pure humanists.( Didn't work that well for communism did it )
trojan said:Sorry I'm still one of those deluded people who believes she is communicating with a discarnate being/beings - or a form of intelligence beyond myself.
trojan said:I guess this has been said a thousand times before to you Chris but you seem to think people refer to spirits/beings/ intelligences outside themselves purely from a belief angle. But they can come to one, speak to one in such a way their existence is undoubtable - so its not always a question of belief but experience.
lightofreason said:Marx's problem (as with Lenin) is that they were both idealist in their attempt to combat idealism! Marx considered himself to be outside of Capitalism, an observer as such, when in fact he was very much part of the dynamic in that he operated out of the position of filtration, the place in socioeconomics where we apply rules. Capitalism prefers filtration to be in the form of 'market forces' and so avoid regulation - let it all be self-regulating. This of course allows for exploiters to profit from being able to respond to some local opportunity 'quickly' - the early bird principle in that eventually balance is restored and so the profitability gone and one has to move on.
Since the 1850s (the level of Capitalism Marx wrote about) a lot has been done to implement regulations - we have laws covering times of work as well as laws protecting exploitation of workers (children etc). However, due to the nationalism etc so those laws are not shared with other nations and so Capitalism exploits THEIR children to feed OUR 'greed'.
nicky_p said:
nicky_p said:Unfortunately I don't think capatilism will be eliminated as it serves for a useful incentive for some people - capatilist tools of imposing 'green' taxes on businesses with high harmfull emissions etc. Of course there will be people that set out to eliminate it, as there will be people to promote it. But these can balance each other out as in Adam Smith's 'Invisible Hand' theory.
lightofreason said:If we all became humanist we would not insist on imposing fantasy on each other as in 'my god is better than yours'.
Chris.
trojan said:We don't impose fantasy on each other because we have specific religious beliefs, we impose fantasies on each other partly probably because thats the way our brain is wired to make sense of the world, make categories etc, partly through our emotional filters, projection etc etc. Humanists would impose as much fantasy on others as anyone else I think, but we stand to get pretty off topic if we continue this - but I do undertand, I think what you are getting at.
jte said:Bruce, that's interesting too. Don't forget, for many (most?) math homework is boring, too... but one has to think of the long-term benefits... [Do I sound like your nagging mother yet? ;-) ]
- Jeff
Clarity,
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