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This is a great thread. I'd like to comment on the whole idea of leaving ''something'' up to fate, and not merc's particular situation, which he/she is being very dodgy about what it is, exactly. Something about a relationship, right?
Anyway, it seems to me that either everything is fate or nothing is fate. Either you have control or you only seem to have control. It's the whole free will vs. determinism argument again.
So, my question to all you lovely people is: When I ask a question of the Yi and throw the coins, is my answer fate (pre-determined) or have I taken control of my fate by asking the question? Another way of putting the question might be: Is fate imposed from outside, or is it found within?
In a sense it's been leading me to follow fate/destiny/whatever while always retaining free choice--and it prevents me from imposing my will in a way that makes life more difficult than it needs to be.
Miakoda
Still trying to navigate between willful action and going with the flow -- aacting in accordance with "fate". The root of it for me seems to be impatience, frustration in waiting for the right time to act in the way I'd like.
...Anyway, it seems to me that either everything is fate or nothing is fate. Either you have control or you only seem to have control. It's the whole free will vs. determinism argument again.
(a) we maintain our primate natures and (b) utilise those natures at whim - something that ethics is not in favour of
Ethics (to say nothing or morals) is a peculiar thing. Not saying right or wrong, but it definitely seems to be a layer, exclusive to humans, which has no natural grounding.
Well, this statement seems to have lack of precise-ness and be a stereotype, since there are diferent points of view about ethics; there is no ONE AND ONLY UNIVERSAL ETHIC SCIENCE (and certainly, the "ilustration's ethics" is not universal).
You can see that Daoist ethics is in favour to we maintain (even return to) our (lost) primate nature, instead of training in argument/logic skills
I always wondered about how yi fit into the notion of a reality not limited by societal notions of morality or propriety -- but then I realized that so much of the yi is about recognizing and negotiating 'established rules'. It seems to me to take full account of the "ethical layer" which people lay on top of neutral reality in a practical, levelheaded way.
Hi mercury
Jusnt in case the comment could be useful
43 is a time for resolute action. Started in Heaven (between May 1st and June 16, 2006) and would end in Lake (between March 17 and April 30, 2007).
So, this is something that has root in the past, and the oportunity to take resolute action is almost ending by now.
I've been trying to imagine the significance of these dates in my situation, and I come up pretty empty...
Hi Chris
I forgot that tehre is only one true religion (SCIENCE) and Chris Lofting is his Prophet
Now, empirical fact: taoism as an ethic system (like it or not, useful or not) exist nowadays. So, you have at least two ethics existing: the one you like and the one you disrespect. But, since there exist 2, there is no ONE UNIVERSAL ethics.
No, we are dealing with your statement that ethics is against our "primate nature"
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