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My daughter is at an artist residency program. She does conceptual type art/ paintings. She is upset about the response she got when everyone toured her studio.
I asked will she get a positive response to her art?
I was thinking while she is there for next two weeks.

I think it might mean she does have very good ideas/concepts but she needs to execute them better!
Or , it's the 6th line that is most troubling, she shouldn't try to explain it to people.

34 seems positive- keep persevering?

She's very upset and getting herself down, also she is having trouble making friends there so she is beating herself up.

Thanks for any help.
 

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Hi pocassin
Maybe I wrote it in ago confusing way or I am not seeing something.

I got hexagram #1
Changing lines # 5 and # 6
Lower trigram stays the sAme heaven
Upper trigram changes from heaven to thunder
Thunder above heaven below
34 the power of the great
 

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Yes, you are right. It's what I get for working castings in my head.
 

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Hexagram 1 is confusing cause the one looks like a changing line
 

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Does the Wikipedia article on conceptual art describe what your daughter is doing?
 

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Not 100% like that
She said It's not as though you can look at it and immediately understand what you are seeing and it's not abstract just supposed to give you some emotion
Its logical and you need to think about it
No label is perfect

So it's not that her work can be installed with any one with just instructions although some of her stuff was like that
 
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I think the reading probably means that she shouldn't try to explain it to people, and maybe not that she needs to execute it better.

1.5 seems to say that your daughter is expressing herself perfectly well, as she wants to, but maybe she needs to work on accepting that not everyone is going to understand it or like it. If some people react negatively, it's not productive to get upset about it (getting upset about it might be what 1.6 and hex 34 mean).

Her art will have to find its proper audience, and those people will appreciate it for what it is, and will appreciate her for what she's trying to do (1.5).
 

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Thanks lisa, that's a nice interpretation. I really like that.
1.6 is a tough line. When I've had many times there was a fight involved. It really is an art to blend the multiple line readings. Thanks
 
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"An artist's obligation is to their art. An entertainer's obligation is to their audience." (David Geffen)

You might ask your daughter which she aspires to be.
 
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”Lots of people will protest that it’s quite unreal and that I'm out of my mind, but that's just too bad” -- Claude Monet

“It is a well-known fact that we see the faults in other's works more readily than we do in our own.” -- Pablo Picasso

“I paint for myself. I don’t know how to do anything else, anyway.” -- Francis Bacon

“If you hear a voice within you saying, 'You are not a painter,' then by all means paint ... and that voice will be silenced, but only by working.” -- Vincent van Gogh, in a letter to Theo van Gogh, 28 October 1883.

“The artist must scorn all judgment that is not based on an intelligent observation of character. He must beware of the literary spirit which so often causes a painting to deviate from its true path – the concrete study of nature – to lose itself all too long in intangible speculations.” -- Paul Cezanne

”When I judge art, I take my painting and put it next to a God-made object like a tree or flower. If it clashes, it is not art.” -- Marc Chagall

“To escape criticism – do nothing, say nothing, be nothing.” -- Elbert Hubbard

”Do what you feel in your heart to be right, for you'll be criticized anyway .” -- Eleanor Roosevelt

”I read an article on me once that described my machine-method of silk-screen copying and painting: 'What a bold and audacious solution, what depths of the man are revealed in this solution!' What does that mean?” -- Andy Warhol

”[People] want me to finish things. But I see them in such a way and paint them accordingly. … Nothing is simpler than to complete pictures in a superficial sense. Never does one lie so cleverly as then.”-- Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec

”Each one of us, in his timidity, has a limit beyond which he is outraged. It is inevitable that he who by concentrated application has extended this limit for himself, should arouse the resentment of those who have accepted conventions which, since accepted by all, require no initiative of application. And this resentment generally takes the form of meaningless laughter or of criticism, if not persecution.” -- Man Ray

“I've done what I could as a painter and that seems to me to be sufficient. I don't want to be compared to the great masters of the past, and my painting is open to criticism; that's enough.” -- Claude Monet

“The attacks of which I have been the object have broken the spring of life in me... People don't realize what it feels like to be constantly insulted.” -- Edouard Manet

“Creativity takes courage.” -- Henri Matisse
 

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My goodness. That is an impressive compilation :bows:.

"The tortured artist," indeed.
 
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I think it can be said that each of those statements is a form of hex 34 artist protest, and also expresses the necessary arrogance of 1.6. Humble creativity is an oxymoron.

”Beginning with audacity is a very great part of the art of painting.” -- Winston Churchill.
 

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Wow, how did you do that compilation? It really is great.

I will show her these.
I do agree with you about humble creativity is an oxymoron, art is creating, it's like a life force, godlike, completely arrogant. Wonderful point, soo.
Thanks again! If this doesn't solve the problem for her nothing will.
 
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That's a really good quote.
Very thought provoking.

Which one? lol

I'll assume you refer to the first one, from David Geffen? Those were his words to me, personally. I'll never forget them, nor have I ever completely made up my mind which I am. Perhaps it is the merging of the artist and the entertainer which earns the right for an artist to receive reward aside from their art itself. This surely seems to be the case for all the artistic entertainers that Mr. Geffen has springboarded to fame and fortune, including his own.
 

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Yeah I didn't see the rest when I posted that.
Oh so soo are you a musician?
I do like the geffen quote.
I also like the man ray one ( one of my daughters favorite artists)
I love Manet and his quote was painful to read.
The Chagall one was very interesting, kind of reminds me of what Michelangelo said about sculpting but maybe in reverse?
 
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sooo

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Yeah I didn't see the rest when I posted that.
Oh so soo are you a musician?
I do like the geffen quote.
I also like the man ray one ( one of my daughters favorite artists)
I love Manet and his quote was painful to read.
The Chagall one was very interesting, kind of reminds me of what Michelangelo said about sculpting but maybe in reverse?

I had a good go as singer songwriter in my early years, before departing to the business side to care for my family's needs. Now I simply am a guitar hack for pleasure. My life is my art, which has many critics, to whom I owe no apology.

My favorite Michelangelo quote: "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark."

Whether our mark is high or low is only for us to determine.
 

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I heard fame is not all its cracked up to be, anyway.

My life has been the poem I would have writ...
 

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I think it can be said that each of those statements is a form of hex 34 artist protest, and also expresses the necessary arrogance of 1.6. Humble creativity is an oxymoron.

”Beginning with audacity is a very great part of the art of painting.” -- Winston Churchill.

I do agree with you about humble creativity is an oxymoron, art is creating, it's like a life force, godlike, completely arrogant.

Intriguing point, that there is a necessary and positive side to arrogance. That never occurred to me; it's not something people talk about.

So your daughter should keep whatever "arrogance" she has about her work, and try not to be upset or depressed when people criticize her who may not understand what she's doing, or simply don't like it, both of which are probably inevitable.
 

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I never thought of the positives side of "arrogance" either, especially with respect to that line.
So the advice couldn't be better for her. I am so glad.
Thanks again, it was a good learning weekend for me and all negative stuff turned positive!
 

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I think I understand the line now in her context.
People think she is being arrogant calling her work art cause the disagree. And there is the (unspoken) fight she has with these people. But she should continue doing her work.
So there's the fight I always see with that line, but now i see that it could be saying sometimes you have to disagree with others.
 
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sooo

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I don't mean to give the impression that arrogance is in itself a virtue, but we are talking about art, and art must be a free form of personal expression, or else it's a form of entertainment only, for the purpose of people pleasing. It's note worthy that the fan yao of 1.6 is 43.6, a depiction of someone too arrogant to ask for help or to be accepted into the human race. There's nothing wrong with pleasing people, and seldom is arrogance pleasing. But art must be free, and can't be based purely upon the acceptance of others. While art can and sometimes should be arrogant, it's no excuse for an artist to be so. In fact the most artistic people I've had the privilege to meet were also the most humble people, particularly about their art. It was their art that was delivered from convention, while they developed their humanity and humility in their person.
 

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The arrogance is in her calling it art?
This is how that line gets confusing for me.
So is the line about arrogance? I don't think my daughter was arrogant personally, I rather doubt it. She felt extremely insecure, the opposite.
But this is the reading.
Is arrogance, though, in the eye of the offended? But with this line both are diminished usually.
I didn't think you were defending personal arrogance per se, just creativity as an seemingly arrogant act.
 

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You said your daughter is upset about people's reaction, and she's insecure about what she's doing and you're wondering if she has to execute her ideas better...I think 1.5 is probably an endorsement of what she's doing, in the sense that she's successfully expressing what she wants to express.

Is arrogance, though, in the eye of the offended?
Maybe. Maybe what she experiences internally as doubt or depression comes across to other people as arrogance. In other words, what other people see might be completely different from what she feels.

This isn't from the reading, but it's probably not good that she gets so upset and insecure when other people don't like her work. That is almost guaranteed to happen, right? Maybe she needs to somehow cultivate a sense of detachment or a bit thicker skin, so some of this bounces off and doesn't affect her so much? (Now, detachment is a whole other hexagram, probably 25 - as I said, this is not from the reading.)

Of course it depends who the other people are. If John Q. Public doesn't like it, so what. But if a mentor of hers criticizes her work, she should probably take it to heart.

Actually, doesn't 1.5 have something to do with mentors? It says, "Fruitful to see great people." I was thinking of it more as her following her vision (her own internal "great person"), but it could surely mean teachers or other influential people, in whatever ways that might apply to her.

Point is, she wouldn't want to come across as arrogant to those people. Responding well to constructive criticism is probably very important.
 
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I don't think there's a hexagram or change line that is all positive all the time or all negative all the time. In your daughter's case the positive side of 1.6 is her abandon into her art, her ignoring convention, her guts to paint what she was moved to paint for whatever motivated her. The possible negative side to 1.6 is that she took offense to those who disapproved, if they even disapproved, or if she interpreted their lack of enthusiasm as rejection of her appearing dragon, in line 5. 34 displayed force which could be strong will and determination in the face of popularity, on one hand, or an unnecessary defensive reaction on the other hand.

Point is, arrogance is a necessary part of being independently creative, but it is not a desirable trait for an artist's personality. As I said, the most creative people I've met were also the most humble, especially about their art. Those who really have it don't need to defend it. One of the things a pop artist learns is to never read their own reviews. Richie Havens once told me he never would listen to the play back of his recordings, especially while in the studio, recording. He'd just sing when it was time to sing and that's it. One very humble human being, no swelled ego, no defensiveness, ignored his reviews and critics, he just did his thing regardless, and that's where his arrogant dragon appeared in the heavens. All great artists I've met possessed that same quality, and that's what made them great: John Lennon, Richie Fury, John Prine, Leon Redbone, Tom Waits, Jonathan Richman, Vassar Clements, Tim Weisberg, off the top of my head, as well as people who worked in the industry in supportive roles, lighting and sound directors, producers, label executives, agents; those who have arrived, you wouldn't notice any ego tripping, just regular folks like you and me. The a**holes were a few one hit wonders or has-beens, big egos and arrogant attitudes to match; I could name names here too but won't.

My advice to your daughter is, let your freak flag fly (or dragon fly in the heavens), own it, but be open to those whom you respect, and show respect even to your worst critics. Save your arrogance for your art. Enjoy the freedom in that, otherwise you just get bound up and inhibited, like a goat that gets his horns entangled in the hedges.
 

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Will she get a positive response to her art?
1.5.6 > 34


I suggest that your daughter display in her studio an object she has created that is clear evidence of artistic technical excellence. Conceptual art tends to be viewed as non art. One representational painting, a portrait or a painting contain human figures, would prove that she had paid her artistic dues.
 
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Will she get a positive response to her art?
1.5.6 > 34


I suggest that your daughter display in her studio an object she has created that is clear evidence of artistic technical excellence. Conceptual art tends to be viewed as non art. One representational painting, a portrait or a painting contain human figures, would prove that she had paid her artistic dues.

Picasso might as well have painted a Rembrandt copy to prove he has paid his artistic dues.

Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.

Frank Zappa

Now that's creative arrogance.
 
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If you end up with a boring miserable life because you listened to your mom, your dad, your teacher, your priest, or some guy on television telling you how to do your ****, then you deserve it.
–Frank Zappa

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As one might imagine, Frank had a lot of traditional critics. He also had a lot to say about them. He had more musical chops than the average traditional pro rock guitarist, though that was never more than a tool to help convey his message. He never made a top 40 hit, nor has he ever aspired to, yet he is an icon of creative genius to those who demanded more than a good beat to dance to or showy guitar licks. His first obligation was to his art.
 

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Picasso might as well have painted a Rembrandt copy to prove he has paid his artistic dues.

Now that's creative arrogance.

Surely you know what I mean. If a person is incompetent in an art form, they have no standing to criticize it or propose an alternative. If Susan's daughter is competent in representational art, then she has grounds to propose alternatives and is no fake. Those who view her studio will know this. Over forty years ago, I was told that I could send Picasso a check for five dollar (significant money at the time), and when he endorsed the check, I could sell his signature for much more :) In fact, Picasso apologized for his betrayal of traditional art and regretted his transgressions. I do not now have the link to Picasso's statement of regrets, but I think that if you look into Picasso's history, you will find it.
 

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My daughter is at an artist residency program. She does conceptual type art/ paintings. She is upset about the response she got when everyone toured her studio.
I asked will she get a positive response to her art?
I was thinking while she is there for next two weeks.

I think it might mean she does have very good ideas/concepts but she needs to execute them better!
Or , it's the 6th line that is most troubling, she shouldn't try to explain it to people.

34 seems positive- keep persevering?

She's very upset and getting herself down, also she is having trouble making friends there so she is beating herself up.

Thanks for any help.

I've appreciated answers here but just wanted to say that in 1.6 it is not always that the dragon is so terribly prideful and so on.....just that he loses sight of the realities of the situation and so gets hurt.

For your daughter the reality of the situation is that no real artist, in any form, whether it be writing, music, dance etc can do what they do if they always have an eye on whether people will like it or not. What do people know afterall..Van Gough was not recognised in his life time.....so I think the reality she might need to see is to look about her, at other artists, see how much rejection and non appreciation they often must suffer....but they go on anyway.

The change patterns reflect this . The yang pattern is hex 20, taking an over view. The yin pattern is 34....use that strength to keep on going.

I'm repeating what others have said but am just adding that 1.6 suggests she needs to come to earth in terms of how much recognition she expects at this stage....and I think it would help her to see herself as one of many artists in order to see that this experience of not being appreciated is part of whole trip (unless one is initially very lucky of course).


So I think she should continue....this is a strong reading ! Look at the power in 1>34 ! But I think she needs to temper the whole upset about lack of appreciation with a dose of reality . I think one way to do this is to see how so many others also go through this and worse.

Note she didn't get 36....this experience isn't about her needing to hide or protect her creativity from harm it's more about her expecting much appreciation at this time is harmful to her.

I imagine if she made more friends it would help a lot to get a perspective. I wonder if she is over doing things a bit, working too hard, demanding too much of herself ? There's certainly much energy and creativity here (1.5) but she needs time to slow down and wind down a bit too or she'll burn out/get upset (1.6)
 

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