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Should I take part of the show ? Hex 21.5.6 -> 17

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Hello,

It's the first time I ask something here :)
I have asked the I Ching only few times in my life, and it was always helful and true.

I need your help, this time I didn't understand the meaning...

I can do a job, as walk-on part of a show. A nice show. This show seems to be very very physical, and it's about 2 weeks non stop working and I was wondering if for my health I will be strong enough to do it. They ask us to run a lot on stage, and we are all non athletes...and some of us are not even artists...
I would like to do the show, but I was wondering too about "the group".

So, I ask the I Ching : "what will happen if do this show ?"
And I get Hex 21 changing in line 5 and 6 to Hex 17

I'm not sure about the feeling I have now, but it seems like I will have some trouble with "someone" or "the boss" in the group if I do it ?
Hex 17 does it mean I "have" to do it ?
They are waiting for an answer : It's up to me to say yes or no. I can do it, because the show is nice, but if I have to fight with others, then it's really not for me, I'm really into peaceful activities this time.
Do I have to do it to learn more about me ? If so, I can, but if it's too hard, please tell me, cause I won't do it then.

So thank you if you have any idea or interpretation.
 

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Should I take part in the show?
21.5.6 > 17


Do it. You will enjoy the camaraderie.
 

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I am of the opposite opinion. With line 5 we are warned against trouble, even though it says we are not to blame for the trouble. In my experience, the trouble comes with overdoing things. That is, if we overdo it, we run into trouble.

Also, line 6 speaks of damage to the ears or the hearing. Or it could be a reference to someone who won't listen. In any case, it means misfortune.

With trouble in line 5 and misfortune in line 6, I personally wouldn't go, if it were my reading. Hope this is helpful.
 

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I agree, Ginnie, that the line text seems unfavorable, but isn't frseeker cangue the fear of physical performance? In my thinking hexagrams carry more weight than line text, and hexagram 17 is favorable for a good performance. This reminds me of my one physical feat as a childhood performer. I had to jump over a stick held in my two hands. I am not athletic, but in the press of the moment on stage, I was able to do it.
 
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I think there are two ways to interpret this answer, but the key is to find the point of origin, how did we get to this situation?

Image taken from p.83 "Heritage of Change" by Wallace Sherrill, augmented by me.
h17_h18_cycle.png


frseeker, only you know what brought you here, you either started with h17 Following, or h18 Repairing what is spoiled. Does it make any sense to you? Yi presents to you the law of changes, but you must know on which path are you treading, is it climb or descend?

Then we can see h25 as innocently follow along, or on the contrary don't be entangled, free yourself.
 

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Thank you so much for your replies pocossin and ginnie :)
It's very helpful.

I agree with your oppinion pocossin, and if it was just the "physical" aspect, I would say a big YES, because, I'm not afraid of performing and going over my fears. I'm used to enjoy every part of life.

But, I more agree then with ginnie because I have right now the inner feeling that if there could be a damage for me, it will be more with the relationship in the group.

And that it not nice as a work - because want us to be paid...that's another thing, they are awaiting for a job. And so they perhaps just ask too much for non performers, so it's clear that problems will come. In the first time I said I want to do it, but they didn't talk about a job, it was just take part of a show...I should have told you that, and I just realize right now this could be why it's hard to make a decision.

Pocossin, it's like if you had to jump over the stick held in your two hands, but doing it for hours every day, for 17 days, and...right now, not as a child, you know ;) !

Ginnie might be right saying overdoing is running into trouble. 17 days is too much. Anyway you're right pocossin too, if I do the show, even if it will be hard, I will totally be happy with it. I'm sure. But it's obvious with this changing in line 5 and more line 6, that I will get troubles with relationships :/

ashteroid, thank you for the image. I try to understand. I've met several nice persons doing such shows, and in a way it's part of my life and in the job I will do in a near future. But the job I'm learning is about Health, about calm and how to be kind with others and above all of how to respect my body. Important : the show is about violence and misunderstanding with foreigner's. Can you tell me more about Hex 25 ?

Thank you
 

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To answer to ashteroid, the origin is for me :
- I want to find myself and to accept things I always want to do and that I've never done in the past : a "real" show is one of those things...but I'm performing right now with others groups...so there will be more opportunities in the future. It's just a question of time.
- I have to find my limits, because I use to go too far in the past, I'm too much involved in things I take part. And I've been hurt physically and in the mind and this is the most important thing : I need absolutely to respect myself. When I respect myself more beautiful things appears in my life, and I feel more happy. As I am right now in late December.

I think the Hexagramms of the I Ching is really a kind of answer to this points.
 

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I can totally relate to you. Finding limits, respecting your body, going too far.
I want to be a car/lorry driver, but i tried driving for 12-14 hours, and that is just too much! I quit after a week. Same thing with software projects, working till midnight trying to make a deadline.

So you are on the top track, you have already been to 45 Gathering, faced 47 Restriction, 28 Exceeding and seen 18 Spoiled things, realized the need to take care of yourself 27 Nourishment.
I'm gonna agree with ginnie here, overworking leads to trouble, and you have learned this lesson already.

Line 5: You will meet with trouble, but there's no harm.
Line 6: You will feel imprisoned completely, from toes to head, required to perform 17 days in a row.

If it was line 4 instead of 6, you would be on a proper course to 46 Ascending.

About h25, look here: Your-Experiences-with-Unchanging-Castings-Hexagram-25
and 25.6 Major-difference-between-25-1-and-25-6
You get to 25.6 by going from 21.5 to 25 and then following your second moving line, the 6th.
 

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Thank you so much Ashteroid.

The words you wrote are exactly the feelings I had about it :)
Line 5 and Line 6...

I finally send an email saying I won't take part of this show.
I don't know if it's "the good choice", but it's my choice right now and I assume it.

The I Ching warn me : do you REALLY want to do THIS show ? or just A show one day ?
If THIS show was about something I really LOVE, I would have done it, how harder it was. But it's not as important for me to do this one.
Yes, I've found my limit ! It's a strange feelling, like being totally empty.

Ahah, software project...this was my job for years. I really can understand what you are talking about :)

Be kind with yourself and with all the persons your love.

I wish you a Merry Christmas.
 

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