Should I wait to talk to her and tell her to come back and offer her money 17.1

[Topher]

Sure I has been a long while since I had posted here, but I am wondering, what would you think iching answer means?

here is a quick explanation what I had went through last weeks, so I had some sort of interest relationship with this girl, which is described by the iching as a 4.3, she does sell explicit content,and 2months ago she got mad at me for me complaning about something that made me feel jelous since she preferred something something else than come with me and see me in person because I had this irrational fear because when we met she had a hickey but when things got better she seemed to be accept we could have a relationship,anyways after she got mad at me and blocked me from whatsapp, I had feel a deep sorrow because I had lost her usually she wasnt really emotional or anything but cold, she only likes money and once told me she had made an Only fans account because someone she knew had given her a fake passport to create this account and she would get half the money from what she would sell so anyway the point is after she had passed 2 months without connecting to the app we met for the fitst time, I had seen she connected and then I had offered her a deal because I needed to see her again and offered her money she accepted, then things happened that she after a while she gave a second thought to my offer and she said she didnt want to force herself to fall in love with someone she doesnt love, so I told her I knew she was lying and told her what I thought and she acted cool, and then blocked me, after a day I was feeling sad miserable without her and decided to do some videos to attract her(yeah law of attraction and some sort of ritual) and then the enxt day nothing I was feeling normal no grief no anything, but the second day after that I was in the bus and I had this really odd feeling I was missing her and I had broke almost to the point I wanted to cry,but I didnt anyways I couldnt stop myself from texting her that I was missing her so bad, that this morning I was missing her and that oddily 6hours later I see she had unblocked me and told me she dreamed with me and she was thinking about me the entire morning(the ritual thing worked or just a coincidence?) then after this we talked normally she told we could go slowly she didnt want to feel pressured into something so I agreed but I had seen in her twitter that 2 days ago(before she blocked)I saw that she recorded a video having sex with someone else and she told me the details which I will omit,anyway I had feeling this jealousy for that, I didnt mention her anything about this until yesterday. and when I had told her that I had told her my mother that she sells explicit sexual content, she got mad at me and she started calling snitch, and that if someone just denounce her she could get in trouble as doing this kind of videos is illegal in this country, anyways I had came with the great idea to offer her money to forgive me,yeah I know but i didnt want to lose her, she was hesitating until she accepted forgiving me and come with me again but in middle of her argument she called me another insult she called me c#cks#ck#r and this made me feel really mad because I was trying to get her forgiveness and she just called me that and I just told her that c#cks#ck#r would be the little f#ck#r whom she recoded a video with,and she inmedialy insulted me (she does it when she gets mad) and she tells me that there isnt anybody else in this relationship, and I told her I knew and that was just jealous, anyways she got so angry at me this time she decided to not reply me back

so I had asked today the iching should I wait to talk to her to come back and offer her money ?

please just leave a side all morals and prejudge I just love her and I hadnt found someone I had loved so much in a while I feel bad without her and she knows this but when she gets mad she decided to cut ties and leave it if she doesnt replies or gets too much pressure she just stops all communication if she doesnt feel like giving me another change I know because I had tried to talk to her too many times and she barely replied me until then she blocked me
17.1

 

[Trojina]

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I saw this last paragraph

please just leave a side all morals and prejudge I just love her and I hadnt found someone I had loved so much in a while I feel bad without her and she knows this but when she gets mad she decided to cut ties and leave it if she doesnt replies or gets too much pressure she just stops all communication if she doesnt feel like giving me another change I know because I had tried to talk to her too many times and she barely replied me until then she blocked me
17.1

If someone blocks you it's the end - they are not a possibility. If they loved you they would not block you ...wait I think you have posted a great deal about this girl before and she blocks and unblocks you more than a plumber unblocks toilets in a year.

17.1 is clear go and find new people to befriend and stop wasting your time on her. You have become addicted to her because she gives you intermittent responses but she clearly isn't going to be who you want her to be and the endless blocking and unblocking isn't going to result in a relationship is it?

 

[Trojina]

It's the same young girl/sex worker you wrote of in this thread isn't it...she was 17 then

really need help to understand this I have experienced 51.2 first hand but this is weird. 51.2.3.5

I had asked what does she feel for me. iching instead advices me what to do? i want to give you some example once I received 51.2 to not act to recover her I had waited the 7days though I had only sent her an email that time a monday. the 7th day was friday and she had unexpectedly due to some...

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...and many others.

 

[breakmov]

Hi Topher

Should I wait to talk to her and tell her to come back and offer her money 17.1​

17.1:
"yes, wait to talk to her, it's a good idea for you to follow... interaction between the two of you in exchange for money seems to be the simplest and most direct path that unites you both in a gathering with a common goal".

Apart from this reading, or perhaps not if you consider a new angle of vision on the "hidden reason" of this situation:

I remember old situations that you shared here on the forum, and they are also very similar to this one... I got the idea that you are looking for a love relationship, "starting at the end", through the search for an intimate physical relationship with someone, using a financial exchange between the two as the most direct path, and after that phase, looking for an emotional interaction.

...the "normal path" for most people is usually quite the opposite: the harmony between the two grows and the intimate relationship is the natural path that stems from this affinity.

....have you considered the "hidden reason" of this recurring pattern?
It seems to me that Yi can be of great help here...since it seems that you cannot/"do not want" to escape this instinct, at least it could be the beginning of following a new path(17.1) for a greater understanding of why you feel attracted for that "hunting way" for your love life.

breakmov

 

[Trojina]

I remember old situations that you shared here on the forum, and they are also very similar to this one... I got the idea that you are looking for a love relationship, "starting at the end", through the search for an intimate physical relationship with someone, using a financial exchange between the two as the most direct path, and after that phase, looking for an emotional interaction.

From what I recall she was a 17 year old sex work with quite severe mental health problems who lives with her mother...so it's the same woman. Topher is trying to have a relationship with her but she keeps blocking him and has been doing so for a long time. The notion that this is all going to work out seems unlikely given she does not sound as if she wants a relationship at all with Topher. The idea one can get an emotional connection to a sex worker by paying them and then hoping it will be something deeper seems doomed to fail. I mean who knows maybe it happens sometimes but the sex worker would have to be interested and not keep blocking the 'client' or friend I'm not sure which Topher is.

17.1:
"yes, wait to talk to her, it's a good idea for you to follow... interaction between the two of you in exchange for money seems to be the simplest and most direct path that unites you both in a gathering with a common goal".

It does not say 'follow her' it says a person goes out of their gate to meet with new people. He's been following her for years and she's been blocking him! What does that tell you? That he should follow her more??

 

[breakmov]

Hi Trojina
I don't know if it's the same... maybe it is

but in relation to 17.1:
just want to emphasize that the idea I wanted to convey was "follow this new path, this new insight, this new idea of waiting" ... and if in this "new path of waiting", Topher considers a new angle of vision on this recurrent pattern, perhaps it will be a truer "follow".

breakmov

 

[Trojina]

I think it is the same girl as here

Unexpected response from the universe. 23.5?11.2.4?32UC? what should I do?

I have just asked yesterday to the universe(following LOA) guide how to ask a question to the universe...I asked if should go after her/insist with her give me an UNDENIABLE signal. she texted me today. that was fast. anyway I asked what should I do? 61.4.6 and 23.5 as I see it 61.6 described...

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same description unless there's been a number of young sex workers who continually block him.

 

[Topher]

Ok I will read your answer later but to give you the actual meaning 17.1 is a change in someone else mind regarding something to follow someones idea(my offering mmm 45.1 yao fan is talking about a sacrifice for the gethering so this makes sense). this morning she messaged me telling me that she would give me another chance nut she asked for the money .(yesterday she

 

[Topher]

I think it is the same girl as here

Unexpected response from the universe. 23.5?11.2.4?32UC? what should I do?

I have just asked yesterday to the universe(following LOA) guide how to ask a question to the universe...I asked if should go after her/insist with her give me an UNDENIABLE signal. she texted me today. that was fast. anyway I asked what should I do? 61.4.6 and 23.5 as I see it 61.6 described...

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same description unless there's been a number of young sex workers who continually block him.

she is another one but both are considered as 4.3 by the iching,she wasnt a sex worker, I was want aware of what she did for a living, she might have done similar kind of stuff, but both seemly did the same sort of stuff, and I like how you say blocked by sex workers lol, I dont have deals with sex workers, and the many times that I was blocked was by the same girl , and the only reasons I kept trying with her was because I valued the connection we had, it was special to me that I couldnt find any person who I could connect with so deeply, I could experience several spiritual things when I was in contact with her ,and she is now a thing of the past, I message her anymore tho she unblocked me some months ago and I had talked to her when she did unblock me,but she couldnt just be empathic and give me an indulgent response and be caring about what I had told her anyways, I think I have moved on from her since I met this other girl which I am currently dating

Hi Topher



17.1:
"yes, wait to talk to her, it's a good idea for you to follow... interaction between the two of you in exchange for money seems to be the simplest and most direct path that unites you both in a gathering with a common goal".

Apart from this reading, or perhaps not if you consider a new angle of vision on the "hidden reason" of this situation:

I remember old situations that you shared here on the forum, and they are also very similar to this one... I got the idea that you are looking for a love relationship, "starting at the end", through the search for an intimate physical relationship with someone, using a financial exchange between the two as the most direct path, and after that phase, looking for an emotional interaction.

...the "normal path" for most people is usually quite the opposite: the harmony between the two grows and the intimate relationship is the natural path that stems from this affinity.

....have you considered the "hidden reason" of this recurring pattern?
It seems to me that Yi can be of great help here...since it seems that you cannot/"do not want" to escape this instinct, at least it could be the beginning of following a new path(17.1) for a greater understanding of why you feel attracted for that "hunting way" for your love life.

breakmov

I think I have read in other placer that there would be a change of mind or change regarding something in this case she changed her mind because she needed something but I really didnt know what was i had to follow, maybe I had to follow her petition...and I would have to do a sacrifice(the money I had offered)

 

[moss elk]

she only likes money

which is described by the iching as a 4.3

.............

she only likes money

which is described by the iching as a 4.3

Correct.

 

[moss elk]

Should I wait to talk to her and tell her to come back and offer her money​

No.
No.
And No.

this irrational fear because when we met she had a hickey

The irrational part is that you keep seeking out and imagining that a good & healthy relationship could happen with these semi-prostitutes, & thinking that love has anything to do with it.

 

[Trojina]

Ok I will read your answer later but to give you the actual meaning 17.1 is a change in someone else mind regarding something to follow someones idea(my offering mmm 45.1 yao fan is talking about a sacrifice for the gethering so this makes sense). this morning she messaged me telling me that she would give me another chance nut she asked for the

No it's not a change in someone else's mind. You asked about you and it is clearly telling you to branch out away from crazed semi sex workers who block you and take your money for.....actually why is it you give all these girls money (you're saying they are different ones though they sound identical to me)....I do clearly recall somewhere you said a girl was offering you some kind of sex for money and you loved her. In the past you had so many replies I listed all the threads on this thread

really need help to understand this I have experienced 51.2 first hand but this is weird. 51.2.3.5

I had asked what does she feel for me. iching instead advices me what to do? i want to give you some example once I received 51.2 to not act to recover her I had waited the 7days though I had only sent her an email that time a monday. the 7th day was friday and she had unexpectedly due to some...

www.onlineclarity.co.uk

she is another one but both are considered as 4.3 by the iching,she wasnt a sex worker, I was want aware of what she did for a living, she might have done similar kind of stuff, but both seemly did the same sort of stuff, and I like how you say blocked by sex workers lol, I dont have deals with sex workers, and the many times that I was blocked was by the same girl , and the only reasons I kept trying with her was because I valued the connection we had, it was special to me that I couldnt find any person who I could connect with so deeply, I could experience several spiritual things when I was in contact with her ,and she is now a thing of the past, I message her anymore tho she unblocked me some months ago and I had talked to her when she did unblock me,but she couldnt just be empathic and give me an indulgent response and be caring about what I had told her anyways, I think I have moved on from her since I met this other girl which I am currently dating

I have nothing against sex workers at all and as you say she/they aren't posing as sex workers anyway they are just girls who you pay money to ..... for...I don't know what and they all constantly block and unblock you....it's hard to follow but as a reader it all sounds very similar. Correction she is a sex worker as she sells explicit sexual content. That is a sex worker - she posts herself having sex online. You have told us that so how can you deny it? Howcome you keep on getting into the exact same relationship with sex workers? You say they are different women but they do not sound like it.

, I had feel a deep sorrow because I had lost her usually she wasnt really emotional or anything but cold, she only likes money and once told me she had made

There's your 4.3 right there

Only fans account because someone she knew had given her a fake passport to create this account and she would get half the money from what she would sell so anyway the point is after she had passed 2 months without connecting to the app we met for the fitst time, I had seen she connected and then I had offered her a deal because I needed to see her again and offered her money she accepted,

Why are you giving her money?

that oddily 6hours later I see she had unblocked me and told me she dreamed with me and she was thinking about me the entire morning(the ritual thing worked or just a coincidence?) then after this we talked normally she told we could go slowly she didnt want to feel pressured into something so I agreed but I had seen in her twitter that 2 days ago(before she blocked)I saw that she recorded a video having sex with someone else and she told me the details which I will omit,anyway I had feeling this jealousy for that, I didnt mention her anything about this until yesterday. and when I had told her that I had told her my mother that she sells explicit sexual content, she got mad at me and she started calling snitch, and that if someone just denounce her she could get in trouble as doing this kind of videos is illegal in this country, anyways I had came with the great idea to offer her money to forgive me,yeah I know but i didnt want to lose her, she was hesitating until she accepted forgiving me and come with me again but in middle of her argument she called me another insult she called me c#cks#ck#r and this made me feel really mad because I was trying to get her forgiveness and she just called me that and I just told her that c#cks#ck#r would be the little f#ck#r whom she recoded a video with,and she inmedialy insulted me (she does it when she gets mad) and she tells me that there isnt anybody else in this relationship, and I told her I knew and that was just jealous, anyways she got so angry at me this time she decided to not reply me back

She put a recording of herself having sex with someone on Twitter? Why did she do that? For money? I didn't know you could post pornography on Twitter. I don't think you need to ask her for forgiveness she has nothing to offer you other than exploitation by the sound of it. What I don't understand if these are all different women how they all act the same and sound the same? I used the word 'exploitation' but arguably that goes both ways I suppose.

)I saw that she recorded a video having sex with someone else and she told me the details which I will omit,anyway I had feeling this jealousy for that, I didnt mention her anything about this until yesterday. and when I had told her that I had told her my mother that she sells explicit sexual content, she got mad at me and she started calling snitch, and that if someone just denounce her she could get in trouble as doing this kind of videos is illegal in this country, anyways I had came with the great idea to offer her money to forgive me,yeah I know but i didnt want to lose her, she was hesitating until she accepted forgiving me and come with me again but in middle of her argument she called me another insult she called me c#cks#ck#r and this made me feel really mad because I was trying to get her forgiveness and she just called

So you say she isn't a sex worker but here you have told us she 'sells explicit sexual content' so she is a sex worker and you are obsessed with her and pay her to 'forgive' you ? You can't pay someone to forgive you nor should you.

Your involvement with her looks like it can only lead to more pain. Clearly she does whatever it takes to get more money from you but seems to despise you at the same time while you are reduced to almost grovelling and paying her to forgive you after she posts explicit sexual content which you get jealous about. It doesn't sound as if she offers any genuine affection which is understandable if you are pretty much a client, one of many who pay to watch her having sex. She sounds totally messed up and sadly she's very young. You are asking for love from someone who can't offer it. 17.1 tells you to go out of your door and find someone else.

 

[moss elk]

they are just girls who you pay money to ..... for...I don't know what

They are 'cam girls'
(modern version of a girl behind glass,
think of Amsterdam or seedy
'magazine shop' booths)

He has 'virtual sex' with them for money.
(Meaning: with himself, whether or not it progresses to in person encounters)
And the "relationships" he tries to develop with them require a vivid imagination (another term is self- deluding) to be considered relationships. Just like masturbation-while-watching them requires a vivid imagination to be considered 'sex'

Lovely conversation we are having.

 

[Trojina]

I thought so, I was just trying to get him to elucidate as he has said they aren't sex workers when they are really if they are doing this. Could be he classes sex workers as just actual prostitutes, I don't know the strict definition of sex worker but if you make a living out of selling sex, whether remotely or not, you are doing sex work as far as I can see. I guess there's a fine line - someone working the till in a sex toy shop isn't exactly a sex worker but they still make money from selling sex.

 

[IrfanK]

Sigh. I tried to make some sort of sense out of 17.1 in this reading, and I just couldn't. It really is a case of needing to examine the question and the assumptions behind it.

Should I wait to talk to her and tell her to come back and offer her money 17.1?​

For a start, what do you mean by "should"? Do you mean, if I follow this course of action, will she come back and have sex with me?" You don't really need the Yi for that, though, you could just try it and see. I suspect the answer relates to how much you offer. I think she has you pegged as a difficult client, so she would probably ask for more than her usual fee. But it's possible.

Or do you mean "If I follow this course of action, will it bring me great happiness?" Personally, I doubt that. It's not a promising start. Or do you mean "Will it bring me happiness very soon, and release the sense of angst that this fixation is causing me, at least in the short term?" That seems like a possible yes, but ... well, try it. See what happens. Or do you mean "Will this course of action be good for my long term growth and development? Will it result in happiness for all parties concerned?"

I respect your request not to make moral judgements that come from personal prejudice. I just don't see how the Yi could answer the question the way it's currently phrased. I think you have to clear that up for yourself first. Just examine the question and its premises and assumptions carefully. Try to define for yourself what you mean by the word "love," for example. Perhaps at the end of it you'll still have a question for the Yi, perhaps you'll be able to work out the answer for yourself.

I also think you should ask yourself why you are coming on to this forum to ask for feedback for this question. Is there something in a particular line of the reading that confuses you? You'd like feedback on it? Or are you just venting your feelings? Looking for some kind of approval? What kind of answer from people here would you really like? Do you think you're likely to get it here?

I think you probably did realize that people would respond pretty much in the way they have. So, what does that give you?

 

[IrfanK]

I thought so, I was just trying to get him to elucidate as he has said they aren't sex workers when they are really if they are doing this. Could be he classes sex workers as just actual prostitutes, I don't know the strict definition of sex worker but if you make a living out of selling sex, whether remotely or not, you are doing sex work as far as I can see. I guess there's a fine line - someone working the till in a sex toy shop isn't exactly a sex worker but they still make money from selling sex.

It is a bit blurry, but it usually implies offering some service that enables the client to obtain sexual gratification. So, that would include people who offer phone services, where you can talk to them and express fantasies, probably masturbating at the same time. It doesn't necessarily mean physical contact. But I think it would let the person working the till off. Still, blurry. Some clients just visit sex workers to have someone to talk to about highly personal stuff, perhaps with a bit of simulated physical affection. One woman I interviewed told me about a client who seemed to come to her mainly to tell her that she was a good girl, she should get out of this line of work, she shouldn't smoke or drink. She said she hid the ciggies under the mattress when she saw him coming, told him truthfully that she didn't drink, kept her head bowed modestly when he spoke, and just sat there until his half hour was up.

 

[Trojina]

I know it's very blurry since there are countless women making money online by having webcams set up in their bedrooms and so on but they probably don't all define themselves as sex workers because they are leading ordinary lives, it's all remote, they have jobs etc and some like it and appreciate the extra cash. And then there's many students who might do pole dancing, stripping, sex work to get them through Uni as they can make more money more quickly than regular jobs.

And the women who post from their bedrooms may make explicit or non explicit content - there's the whole realm of sexual ASMR and masturbation which is there to arouse but I doubt would be classed by the 'creator' as 'sex work' .

I definitely would not class the till worker as a sex worker that was a bit tongue in cheek.

And of course there are billions of youtubers and tiktok ladies who dance, reveal and give a link 'if you want to see more' but they wouldn't all class themselves as sex workers even though they make money from sex. So the line is even more blurry these days of the internet than it was before I think. I wonder if 'sex worker' covers everything from the vulnerable prostitute on the street ready to get into any car and the comfortable married woman in the suburbs who has a nice house and enough money but posts videos of herself doing xyz for money because it's a good sideline.

Breakmov made the observation earlier up the page

I remember old situations that you shared here on the forum, and they are also very similar to this one... I got the idea that you are looking for a love relationship, "starting at the end", through the search for an intimate physical relationship with someone, using a financial exchange between the two as the most direct path, and after that phase, looking for an emotional interaction.

But I do doubt this works often. How many people are actually going to develop a close personal relationship through 'financial exchange between the two as the most direct path'. Certainly clients could develop an ongoing contract with a sex worker in some scenarios and like each other, as workers get 'regulars' they come to know in any field but that doesn't seem to be the case with Topher in his tumultuous connections with young women doing sex work (of some description) who repeatedly 'block' him then 'unblock' him. I can't see how that can work out well for him when he feels in love with them. I don't say this from disdain as I know this can happen but it seems a painful route to go.

 

[moss elk]

I am truly more troubled by the fact that the querent does not listen to advice
(from forum members or from Yi or the words of those women) and that he plays FPS's,
Than I am that he is obsessed with sex workers.
Though when I say it out loud, the combination of these three is also troubling.

4.3 says "Do not marry this one..."
And he continually seeks to develop a relationship with her, and others like her.
(Giving gifts, meeting the mother, suffering emotional pain when he is blocked...etc)


Best of luck to him.
(Which would require him to change)

 

[Topher]

No.
No.
And No.


The irrational part is that you keep seeking out and imagining that a good & healthy relationship could happen with these semi-prostitutes, & thinking that love has anything to do with it.

Well I have changed my mind I wanted to try her and I didnt bring anything for that time she asked me to, instead I decided to tell her that the money I had promised her I had just forgotten because I was rushed(thing I didnt) and I told her I had like 1/6th of the original amount I had told her, and she looked me at me with a glance of discontent with what I told her almost as if she hated me and her voice tone was a bit more aggressive than usual(her voice tone is usually very calm) and In midst of the conversation if any of the actions I did worth anything to her and she replied with with a no and keep arguing on how I could make her come this early when she had to work in that bakery... and I was wasnt valuing her time...

also there was someone next to us a bit younger than me and maybe older than her, but he was laughing when she was complaining about that I had promised her that I would give x amount... when she finally decided to leave with the dessert I had bought her and that guy kept laughing so when I went away I sarcastically laughed just to him and i dont know anyway she blocked me after she walked away...

after I had decided to 'deceive' her that I had the money on me and I was just testing her emotions for me I think got the interest back from her, but it is a shame that doesn't value when one had helped her in the past like when we met, and she told me she wasnt feeling alright but I dont know what to think about this since the exams she showed me didnt have any sort of symptom of anemia....

but you are right I seek love with the wrong persons because if anyone could value what I do they could appreciate me and maybe truly have some sort of emotion for me

I dont feel like this is worth it anymore(look for anyone to feel the same way I feel for them)

46.2.4 is the answer when I asked what she felt for me and I think she maybe expects me to do a sacrifice for her? or perhaps...she sees what she is doing with me a s asacrifice?