Stalker 29.4.6>6

[steve]

Hi everyone

I have been getting random messages & various forms contact from this stalker ex business partner, its is infuriating

Today he actually called and said nothing, I called back the number and I heard his answer message and recognised the voice ,
I am really getting to the end of my tether with him.

I did a reading and recieved 29.4.6>6

Hex 6 to me feels like the background to the situation to me its a major conflict.
29.4 is to me like he is looking for some sought of opening I know this about control with this person if you knew his make up but he misses the friendship i know it or misses the what he considers a friendship.

My life is going ok so I am not sure about 29.6 unless it means three years before he goes. I tend to think his life is not good so thats why he is contacting me

It really is all the warning signs of a stalker

any ideas

 

[lunar]

Hi Steve

both hexagrams, peril and conflict, seem to confirm the idea of a major imbalance or flaw in the relationship with this person, possibly a threat, that is unlikely to be resolved. Stalking could well fit in with this idea.

Somehow I see him as the conflict (6) and you as the subject in peril (29)

6 is a hardened type of 'conflict', usually with a subject who keeps on relapsing, again and again, someone unable to learn their lessons.

29 is not just peril but how to move through it, specifically the movement of water through peril, untouched and unafraid (fear is not a good way to react to danger, is one of the hexagram's hidden lessons).

There is a sense in line 6 that you could exhaust yourself if you tried to fight it or resist it (another intrinsic idea in 29) so patience should be exercised.

In short, unless you think he could be a serious threat - in which case by all means get help - you should do best to ignore him and the conflict/annoyance will eventually pass (you will move through it)

hope that helps

Lunar

 

[steve]

Yes that has helped
he is definatley a person who doens't learn their lessons in General. It is half of his problem he does relapse when we were in contact he would act in a way that you would let him back in then once he was in he would abuse the friendship and if I wasn't in business with him I would have ended any contact years ago.
I have been ignoring him and I think that is making him frustrated. When we were in business together he had a control over me almost a black mail situation as I didnt want to lose the business and he didnt really care and that was not pleasant.
I don't think its a serious threat however I will keep an eye out for signs. He has a very distorted view on friendship I believe. I think if things were going well for him he wouldn't contact me he needs to do allot of personal development I believe or he will never be happy. He is in this habit of when things are to bad contact me and see what he can get and to upset what I am doing. Its been about 18 months I believe since the end of the partnership so I am thinking after 3 years (line 6) that maybe what finally makes it sink in. To be honest even he I think would realise after that amount of time . You maybe right unless i feel in danger because ignoring him does seem to be working to a degree considering how involved he was in my life.
Line 4 is curious I think that is him desperatley trying to make some kind of contact like a glimpse like the window opens briefly in and that is exactly what it was. When I called the number back he had the opportunity to talk and didnt, its like he is keeping tabs on the business like to see who answer's the phone etc. He was one of these people who needs to know everything about everyone's business and these attempts at contact are just that.

If anyone has a different take on this I would appreciate it

Steve

 

[foxx777]

I knew someone like this who acted similarly under similar circumstances, but he was vindictive and used pseudonyms with which to engage in cyberstalking and false accusations, and was out to cause trouble. From what you say, and from H29.4.6 > 6, it does seem to indicate that he can be safely ignored, unless of course he does up the ante, at which time you will have to take some action.

From the following translation, in any case, one does get some indication that this indeed may be in the offing:

29. Abyss

Line 4:

Jugs of wine and a food bowl,
repeatedly using a bucket,
bringing these in as agreed through the window, eventually.
Without fault.

Making a detour to avoid trouble. There is nothing wrong with this.

Line 6:

Tied with a good rope,
placed in thorn bushes.
For three years no gains.
Misfortune.

Something is bound to an inaccessible place, so that it cannot be of advantage for a long time. Things don't go well.

Hexagram is changing to:

6. Conflict

Conflict. autiousness while in the middle of this brings good fortune,
at the end misfortune.
It is beneficial to see a senior person.
A disadvantage for crossing the big river.

There is a conflict, so there is no trust in the other party any more. One must be cautious now, while in the middle of this conflict. If one needs to stay cautious things would not go well. An advisor or mediator could be helpful. This situation is a problem when important things are at stake.

 

[pocossin]

any ideas

Yes. Block messages from his phone number. Every time you call him back encourages him to bother you more.

 

[hopex]

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer - I think
this is his tactic - and as you
say if he is in your orbit he can unnerve you

stalking is strong terminology for a same sex situation/business
situation - i thought it existed where there is some form of erotomania?

one thing I read was that stalkers have usually undergone a significant loss
in the 24 months the stalking behaviour - has he had a major loss or blow?

29 always tells me that we become adept at managing tricky/dangerous
situations with experience - when people are disturbed it is best not to
engage as here it may lead to conflict:bows:

 

[steve]

When I look at Fox777 interpretation of hex 6 and it points toward a mediator I am thinking that could be legal person however I wont be taking those measures NOW depending on his next move as I know there will be one also line 6 I think this is me in the place with no access. Pocossin I need to speak with my phone company anyway so I will get the number blocked would you be able to tell me what you see in the lines your readings always seem to ring true with me I was thinking that if I block the number so quick it may increase the agitation on the other hand its sending a clear message as when ever he has attempted to make contact I have blocked that avenue he doesn't usually call and that is the first time I have called back I only called back because It was on my business line and thought it may have been work related as didn't recognise the number. Thanks Hopex funny you say that about keeping your enemies closer I remember his brother telling him that on an issue when we were friends. Yes we were friends to a degree before the business relationship i don't mean to sound egotistical but he used to copy me allot and was one of these delusional people also cannot seem to entertain himself as he doesn't read at all and as I was saying yes most likely he has had some sought of loss financial or emotional it was usually when he contacted me in the past I think the best thing is that I continue to keep ignoring him and pray he goes away. I have been basically reacting to his every move like when I first blocked him on facebook he made a comment then I blocked him that really frustrated him as that was a real insight to my movements on a personal level.

Thank you all for your help I think the general feeling is keep ignoring him

 

[mryou1]

I'm going to be pretty dissenting here and try to remind you that the subject of your question was this supposed "stalker". But what makes you think he's a "stalker"? I mean, objectively, all he's done was try to accept help from you, perhaps not in the best way possible, but none of us are perfect.

From observing this reading with this "stalker" as the subject, I see him in a state of trying to receive help from you, while in a pretty bad state, and in not the kindest-of-ways. When you move on, as seems most probable, he will most likely brew in a place of self-confilct, self-hate, and hate for those around him. I can't see the I Ching saying much beyond this, so it's up to you to determine what that means. But it's certainly not good for this person you've labeled as a "stalker".

I think you need to view this situation objectively for a second, this is not coming from the I Ching, but from my own experience. You're playing this person up to be a villain, when really he's just a sad man.

 

[steve]

The problem is you dont know him and what he is like he disrupted my life on an off for four years he has control issues and made my life HELL like constantly turning up unannounced and drunk at 3am when in business with him he 90% unapprochable I was lucky that I got him out of my life I have made it quite clear that I don't want contact.I do not have time to have this imbalanced person disrupting my life anymore. The reason he is calling me is because he no longer controls me via the business. The only reason I got rid of him that he screwed everything up and left me with the bill and took his name off the business. (charming)

When you call someone then you say nothing on the other end THAT is the action of a stalker. These signs are subtle at the moment but people have been killed by exactly the same situations when someone is doing these things it has to be taken seriously. Deep down he is not a nice person have you heard the saying "give a man power and you will see his true colors" well I have seen his. I did call back and he didnt answer remember and if he does need help I am not the one he should be looking to its been 18 months since i have seen him. I dont how you are getting he is a poor sad man when I am getting a reading like this? Hex 6 is conflict straight out I have never found this hex to be positive and 29 to me has always been a situation of some description that you need GET OUT OF..I gave this guy a million chances to act like a human being and I have lost friendships for allot allot less than the things he has done to me.

Sorry also the question was what do I need to know about him contacting me.

 

[Trojina]

I knew someone like this who acted similarly under similar circumstances, but he was vindictive and used pseudonyms with which to engage in cyberstalking and false accusations, and was out to cause trouble. From what you say, and from H29.4.6 > 6, it does seem to indicate that he can be safely ignored, unless of course he does up the ante, at which time you will have to take some action.

From the following translation, in any case, one does get some indication that this indeed may be in the offing:

Yes...but what is this translation you are using. And its not just a translation its someones commentaries you are quoting too in every single post you respond to here. (and I have to say some aren't very good commentaries IMO so they mislead you ie 29.4 cannot really be summed up by 'make a detour')

There is a difference between a translation and a commentary. A commentary is just someone thoughts on the I Ching...its not the I Ching itself. So in every single answer here you refer directly to someones elses commentary but don't say who they are. The words you have put in red bold here are someones commentary aren't they ? Or are they yours ?


I feel you do need to say whose work you are using. If we quote people it is necessary to say who we are quoting. I want to know if this is Ewalds work ? I think it is.


As a writer surely you know about referencing peoples work ?



ETA. Suggestion. If all your answers are basically pasted pages from this persons work you could just put in your signature "all responses taken from Ewald at Eclectic Energies " or wherever it is from .

 

[Trojina]

When I look at Fox777 interpretation of hex 6 and it points toward a mediator I am thinking that could be legal person however I wont be taking those measures NOW depending on his next move as I know there will be one also line 6 I think this is me in the place with no access. Pocossin I need to speak with my phone company anyway so I will get the number blocked would you be able to tell me what you see in the lines your readings always seem to ring true with me I was thinking that if I block the number so quick it may increase the agitation on the other hand its sending a clear message as when ever he has attempted to make contact I have blocked that avenue he doesn't usually call and that is the first time I have called back I only called back because It was on my business line and thought it may have been work related as didn't recognise the number. Thanks Hopex funny you say that about keeping your enemies closer I remember his brother telling him that on an issue when we were friends. Yes we were friends to a degree before the business relationship i don't mean to sound egotistical but he used to copy me allot and was one of these delusional people also cannot seem to entertain himself as he doesn't read at all and as I was saying yes most likely he has had some sought of loss financial or emotional it was usually when he contacted me in the past I think the best thing is that I continue to keep ignoring him and pray he goes away. I have been basically reacting to his every move like when I first blocked him on facebook he made a comment then I blocked him that really frustrated him as that was a real insight to my movements on a personal level.

Thank you all for your help I think the general feeling is keep ignoring him

Theres nothing in the I Chings answers that says 'ignore him'...this is peoples opinions...common sense I guess.

I feel the 29.6 often refers to painful times we can't do much about....so yes this is painful...but I am not convinced ignoring him is the way to go. Looking at hex 6 as relating I'm wondering if there is some ground for compromise...about a certain issue? Not that one would compromise with a stalker....but as Hopex says guys don't generally stalk other guys...and I feel you'd do better yourself psychologically to drop the phrase 'stalker'...it all gets a bit hysterical...and hysteria is very 29 indeed. 29.4 looks like this tiny window of opportunity to bring some peace to the situation.


I don't mean to minimize the problem...its all very well to say 'men don't stalk men'(unless they are gay....ie stalking is so boring it must need an erotic charge for it to continue)...er but how do I know they don't....


Ignoring him looks like common sense but meanwhile you seem to be increasingly hyped up...so your own feelings are more a danger to you than he is perhaps. He can't hurt you...calm down. Think about any key issue that may be specifically bothering him and see if there is a way to deal with that


I don't know why people think ignoring peoples helps so much since there is nothing more infuriating that being ignored when you don't want to be. I think inevitably there is difficulty here that isn't going away (29.6) because it has already begun. But the advice of 29 is to "hold the heart fast" treat it like were riding rapids....also 29 asks for bravery


So stop panicking....that hurts you more than he ever can. Slow down. Think if there is any one key issue (29.4) that you could compromise on (29.6/hex6).

Yes this is a bad situation, 29.6 doesn't lie about that. people in 29.6 find they just have to live through something. Like when you sprain your ankle you have to live with the pain and theres no getting out of it. You are already involved with this guy and you now bear the consequences. So accept you are in the situation, be brave, hold heart fast...quit hysteria and panic. Any physical threat and you can call the police...and somehow I doubt there will be.


Think about that hex 6. Both of you think you are in the right in some way. So he may feel very justly aggrieved. Whilst I accept he is some kind of a nut, if you say so,....I'm just suggesting there may be one thing that may mollify him...is there 1 key issue you could resolve with him ?


hes not going to be a happy man stalking you is he..so if he felt he had his way on this one issue perhaps things might be eased to the degree mentioned in 29.4 ?

 

[Trojina]

Also Steve you said this guy bugged you when he turned up drunk but periodically you post on this forum when you are either drunk or stoned out of your mind....and write strange things


Not a problem, you aren't offensive, but I think you have to also think that you yourself may have been out of it.....I mean your mind is also the 29 here....you may have had some unstable times..... he came into your life with all that...and now you are still carrying it. So however bad he is try to see it as part of a hangover from all that went with it before. I think thats the 29.6....and there is no head in the sand remedy for that...

I hope you aren't offended...its just a suggestion, no blame inferred, I meant no offence, I like you drunk or not

 

[Trojina]

I looked at the change patterns here...the yang change pattern ( where all changing lines become yang) is 35...so you came into this whole thing in a time of Progress...the yin change pattern (where all changing lines are yin), the way out and through the situation is hex 5...so maybe also waiting and keeping calm here , as well as perhaps some small offering if the opportunity comes seems the way to go.

 

[foxx777]

The problem is you dont know him and what he is like he disrupted my life on an off for four years he has control issues and made my life HELL like constantly turning up unannounced and drunk at 3am when in business with him he 90% unapprochable I was lucky that I got him out of my life I have made it quite clear that I don't want contact.I do not have time to have this imbalanced person disrupting my life anymore. The reason he is calling me is because he no longer controls me via the business. The only reason I got rid of him that he screwed everything up and left me with the bill and took his name off the business. (charming)

When you call someone then you say nothing on the other end THAT is the action of a stalker. These signs are subtle at the moment but people have been killed by exactly the same situations when someone is doing these things it has to be taken seriously. Deep down he is not a nice person have you heard the saying "give a man power and you will see his true colors" well I have seen his. I did call back and he didnt answer remember and if he does need help I am not the one he should be looking to its been 18 months since i have seen him. I dont how you are getting he is a poor sad man when I am getting a reading like this? Hex 6 is conflict straight out I have never found this hex to be positive and 29 to me has always been a situation of some description that you need GET OUT OF..I gave this guy a million chances to act like a human being and I have lost friendships for allot allot less than the things he has done to me.

Sorry also the question was what do I need to know about him contacting me.

I have to say, Steve, as stated I knew someone who sounds similar, and broke with him under similar circumstances, and he DID escalate such stalking behavior, and became quite vindictive and persistent. So I cannot doubt you on this, having experienced it. I would agree the silence on the phone is stalkerish, and I felt that way during my own incidents.

This of course does not preclude that we have our own issues, which led to our knowing this kind of person, and allowing him into our life, in the first place - and of this one must always take into account when consulting the I Ching. But there is an aspect to the situation which is objective and empirical.

 

[Trojina]

Steve I reckon this is something guys are going to be able to help with more than women...because I have trouble getting my head around the scenario of one guy stalking another.... so I'm thinking of what the base dynamic is behind it and struggling...and so I'm thinking men are going to understand this thing better than women.

What do your mates think he wants ? What do they advise ?


All I do know is you should not be scared.....at all

 

[foxx777]

Yes...but what is this translation you are using. And its not just a translation its someones commentaries you are quoting too in every single post you respond to here. (and I have to say some aren't very good commentaries IMO so they mislead you ie 29.4 cannot really be summed up by 'make a detour')

There is a difference between a translation and a commentary. A commentary is just someone thoughts on the I Ching...its not the I Ching itself. So in every single answer here you refer directly to someones elses commentary but don't say who they are. The words you have put in red bold here are someones commentary aren't they ? Or are they yours ?


I feel you do need to say whose work you are using. If we quote people it is necessary to say who we are quoting. I want to know if this is Ewalds work ? I think it is.


As a writer surely you know about referencing peoples work ?



ETA. Suggestion. If all your answers are basically pasted pages from this persons work you could just put in your signature "all responses taken from Ewald at Eclectic Energies " or wherever it is from .

That's just what I have done.

There must have been a reason Berkers viewed 4 in this manner. I don't know what it is, but then, Wilhelm can really stray as well.

Of course if the commentary were mine, I would not enclose it with the translation within the quote block, and yes, as a writer I know about referencing people's work. I guess I was simply trying to wait until I had to, as I was neither being paid, contracted, nor assuming the stance of a scholar here - just an i ching tosser spewing out remarks .

Here is Berkers' own statement as to why he switched from Wilhelm to his own Translation with Commentary on the eclectic energies site: (underlining and emphasis mine ~ smk)

Differences with previous text

This has resulted in a I Ching translation that is in various details different from the Wilhelm/Baynes translation that was previously on this site. This is not just a difference in style (Wilhelm's style seems to be substantially influenced by Goethe's), but also of interpretation.

While my initial version was still reminiscent of Wilhelm's, my interpretation has changed in lots of details with the appliance of all kinds of checks on the text "making sense," checking out all kinds of aspects of context, and making lots of small improvements on the wording.

I'm hoping to have written a translation and commentary of the I Ching that is more clear and accurate than what was on this site before. I also hope it to be more helpful and supporting.

http://www.eclecticenergies.com/iching/about.php

 

[Trojina]

That's what I have done. There must have been a reason Berkers viewed 4 in this manner. I don't know what it is, but then, Wilhelm can really stray as well. Of course if the commentary were mine, I would not enclose it with the translation within the quote block, and yes, as a writer I know about referencing people's work. I guess I was simply trying to wait until I had to, as I was neither being paid, contracted, nor assuming the stance of a scholar here - just an i ching tosser spewing out remarks .

Mmmm I see. Thanks for the clarification. LOL the last sentence is especially telling

Have you ever consulted the I Ching yourself ?

 

[foxx777]

Mmmm I see. Thanks for the clarification.

Edited my post above, with commentary from Berkers on his own work....

 

[hopex]

Yi is reflecting back what you feel -
whether this is reality or perception
is up to you. (I had similar lately)

a thing is so if a man thinks it is so

can you reframe your perception?

 

[steve]

Thanks again everyone for the help
Yes I know Trojan no offense taken I know its an issue I have posting when I have had a few also my family have questioned me on facebook, I forget I am on a forum or social media until the next day and its like making a fool of yourself in front of hundreds of people (horrible) when i am like that I dont go to peoples houses like he does and he always turned up unannounced even in normal circumstances. He is gay or has those tendencies but its more like he is obsessed with me he used copy me all the time it was so annoying or if I had something like a jacket he liked or sunglasses he would just start wearing them. I once wanted a painting commissioned by a friend of mine of the stones but didnt have the money so knowing I didnt have the money he took the picture of the book I owned and had the painting done knowing my friend needed the money. He doesnt even know one song the stones do nor did he read the book where the image came from. He is one of these people that people are not naturally drawn to him. He wants something I have been given naturally and when in business with him he was controlling me like he would change the passwords on the accounts to show his power like I said he has control issues he should realise people remember things like this. I believe this is about him being cut out of my life. He knows I dont care and am fine with him not being in my life and thats the way it has always been, he always came to my house i rarely went to his house only when invited, the last time he turned up here he was with some strangers and drinking I had not seen him in months and I was just getting out of the shower I was so angry he took off saying that our friendship was over then slowly but surely he starts trying to make contact. In the past when these types of things would happen I would let him in when things would calm down but now he realises that he cannot get back in and I believe he is trying to reverse that and its not going to happen. I am just trying to give you a background I dont hate him YET I just do not want him as a friend. So I know this is not a normal guy guy situation
i suppose thats whats bothering him this time when he rang and actually heard my voice I think he may have been tounge tied I mean what could he say, I have made it clear.My mates that know him think he is just wanting to know whats going on, like am I successful etc , basicaly whats going on with me, he rang multiple times one night drunk and sent an email saying he bought a big boat, it just sounded like he had no-one to enjoy it with. If he wants friends he needs to learn boundaries and various people have different ones. I have had discussions with his brother about his control issues and insecurities.

I really think now line 4 was this window so he was quickly trying grasp the past and hoping I would call and say hey how are you going etc , the three years to me in line 6 funny enough would be about the amount of time that the contact would cease. I think this is just a case of time will help the bottom line is if he was happy I wouldn't hear from him

I really thank you all for your help

Steve

 

[diamanda]

Hi Steve,

His behaviour sounds completely crazy. This situation happened to me twice in the past, in an extremely similar manner, with two women, on two separate occasions. They were not gay, but they somehow behaved as if I was their girlfriend (!?) - hard to describe, they somehow behaved as if they owned me I had to completely break ties with them, and I never regretted it, as it was a really sick situation, and it did feel very threatening. It took a while till they gave up sending me insane messages, but in the end, they got fed up of never receiving an answer, and gave up, for good I hope! Now every time I detect the early signs of a similar obsessive personality I just run a mile. I think you're very right to be afraid. There's no way of telling what such a person would end up doing.

29.4 often turns up in my readings meaning "computer/email", so in my opinion, even if you send him something as small and neutral as a simple message, it will lead to you being trapped in this "friendship" for a long time again, which will again end up in conflict. Break ties 100% and don't look back. Another interpretation could be that line 6 means imprisonment and hex6 a court case, but of course I hope nothing like this will have to happen here. Good luck with it all.

 

[steve]

Yes I hope line 6 is not that I believe it would have happened if it was going to, although you never know. I dont think it is that If the YI is answering for the now as it was a "what do I need to know" question those for me to tend answer the present
I think this is reflecting him line 6 as my life is ok I could use and extra dollar but who couldnt to be honest everyday is bliss he is not around in a strange way I think he knows that and cant stand the fact I will have a better life than him.

A man who in the extremity of danger has lot the right way and is irremediably entangled in his sins has no prospect of escape. He is like a criminal who sits shackled behind thorn-hedged prison walls.

That does not feel like me at present anyway and it does remind me of him and the way he lives his life and when you are around him you are involved in his roller coaster ride. He is in his own prison is what the yi is telling me I think and the three year maybe directed to the situation at some stage.
This thread I think will be helpful for someone as they are not everyones favourite Hexagrams

Yes i like your view on 29.4 thats the way it felt to me like this window that opened quickly hmmm interesting and a telephone or an email could be interpretated in that way the way these days

its there then its not like you open the window then bang in closes just like that as you may not get the chance to offer what it is you want to, as I am pretty sure I will block the number and make it that little bit harder, so now the window is locked and I am already making plans to block the email as well.
Yes I just want to be left alone

Thanks for your understanding.

Steve

You hit the nail on the head that's what he thinks he owns me to a degree and has a warped analogy of friendship I believe, there is no way I will be responding possibly via a solicitor. I need time to become stronger.

 

[steve]

hey everyone
So sorry i have not updated this thread , i just wanted to let the dear people that helped me translate the reading, and how it turned out,
basicaly i waited he made a few more threats and the wheels of life have turned, he is in fact stated as above a sad man , i guess i was so emotional and probably watching too much of the CI channel
It has come to the surface , basicaly it was just a bad partnership
how this reflects on the lines cast is open for discussion but yes he had no ummph its sad and its pathetic me on the other hand now have some great friends and have survived his so called friendship.

Another fact that i was ten pin bowling the other day i ran into the landlord in the office we had, we owed him around 8000 dollars in back rent, basicly he told me that he could see i was working and he wasnt and felt sorry for me and wrote the debt off, the only reason my ex business partner signed his name off the deed was being the "nice guy" he was , said you can have the business but you need to take the debt on and didnt want to wreck his OWN credit record but because i believe he was actually frightened of the guy who wrote the debt off as he is not someone you mess with, but at the same time he is well loved and respected in general ( the landlord)
So sorry i have not have updated this thread as it was quite frightening at the time.