The difference

[gene]

This is the reason the second plane hit the twin towers. This was the best way the military industrial complex could think of to get the American public to accept loss of freedoms, and especially the national ID card. The excuse is terrorism. If you take a look at the pictures of the second plane flying into the world trade center, closely and in slow motion, you will notice that there are no windows on the plane. Also, there is a strange globe like structure at the top of the airplane. There was also a second fuselage on the plane. Commercial airplanes all have windows. This was not a commercial plane. It was a military plane. Then take a look at the pictures of the pentagon. You will note that there is absolutely no wreckage of a 767. Also, the hole in the pentagon is much too small for a 767 to have been flown through it. Witnesses described the aircraft as having very small wings. It was not a commercial airplane that hit the pentagon, it was most likely a small cruise missile probably having a very small detonation charge on it. Once again, a military type aircraft.

It is well known that in the 1940?s the military did testing on unsuspecting populations in New Mexico and other places to see the effects of nuclear radiation on people. The same was done using some military personnel. And yet for some reason we all tend to think, oh that was then, our government wouldn?t do that now. Well, they do and they did. There have been house resolutions making it perfectly legal for the military to do chemical and biological testing on small portions of the population with or without their consent or their awareness. Our ?shadow? government used the 911 tragedy (as described in the report submitted by Tashij,) in order to get the population to accept greater control over the population, and to limit our freedoms, and get us to accept the national id card.

If anyone cares to do a search on NESARA (National Economic Recovery and Stabilization act), I?d be curious to know what your impressions are. There is just a ton of information out there about this alleged house resolution, bill, that may or may not have been passed, and all kinds of theories as to the why and the outcome of it. I won?t say anything more, you can look at it and come to your own conclusions.

Gene

 

[martin]

No windows? Look:

 

[candid]

I have no disrespect for S. Marshall for his prediction, whatsoever. He is a man, after all. Great men and women take risks, and sometimes their calculations are imperfect, or misguided. It also goes to show that no matter how much we learn and grow, no-one knows everything, even a master of I Ching.

At the risk of getting plummeted here with tomatoes, I ask that everyone remain hopeful about the future.

 

[martin]

If you like tomatoes I can give you one, Candid, but I will not throw tomatoes at you. You deserve to be showered with flowers.

You wrote earlier "I don?t believe Yi answers a question directly about the outcome."
I think it did in this case. Some of the answers were difficult to interpret perhaps, but others were not.
I was not completely sure when I wrote about the answer that Soshin got - thank you for your compliment Soshin, you are a lovely man

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But the answers that I received when I asked the Yi myself (I mentioned them in a later post) left little room for doubt. And the answer that SM got .. yes, he obviously is a man and men (and women) tend to get a bit sleepy late at night. But that answer was clear, very clear. Bush will win! Have no doubt about it, to cite .. Bush.

With all this foreknowledge in the back of my mind watching this thing unfold on TV was a strange experience. The Dutch commentators all believed that Kerry would win! And then came the exit poles. Kerry ahead!
I couldn't believe my ears and eyes. Could the Yi be so wrong? Could I be so wrong? Later I heard that Bush said, when he saw the exit poles, "I'm surprised!". This was clearly not what _his_ diviners had told him. (Do you think that these people don't use oracles? Of course they do!)
And then, while the commentators on Dutch TV - very learned people - where going to great lengths about WHY Kerry would win the tide began to turn. It was like watching a movie for the second or third time, while these commentators saw it for the first time. I knew how it would end, they didn't.
Weird!

 

[micheline]

Yes.....I second your request, Candid...Let's be hopeful...
Thanks everybody for a great bunch of comments which I have enjoyed reading.
I dont think any of the Yi throws were "wrong"...in retrospect, we can see what was being pointed at..
and Anon, who got 1.5 re: kerry.......you shouldnt "dare" or toy with the Yi, first of all, but if you were serious in your questioning, consider that maybe Kerry won by losing.......it is not a job I would want, would you?

 

[gene]

Hold the phones folks, just looked at cnn.com and it says Kerry is not conceding Ohio. Don't know how up to date the news is. Let's see what happens.

Gene

 

[gene]

My apologies, this news was posted at 8:45 AM. Don't know why it is still on their site.

Gene

 

[candid]

Anon,

If you?re going to quote off web pages, at least choose an interesting one.

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[candid]

Demitra,

There?s nothing wrong with your writing (or your tennis) that I can tell. I?ve enjoyed our recent discussions especially, very much. I sincerely wish you all the very best.

I?m exceedingly weary of the Anon option here, and I?ve previously stated my reasons clearly enough. Especially when they dish it out so easily but are so incredibly thin-skinned to a retort, direct, rude or otherwise.

The best of luck to the new guard. Friends here know where to reach me.

Candid

 

[cal val]

Demitra,

I'm only human so I make mistakes. And I've made a mistake reading your post. I sincerely apologize. I assumed you were attributing that statement in quotes to me. But when I re-read and THINK about what you wrote, I see my mistake. It's an unfortunate juxtaposition of words, yes, but you didn't say "Val said." And it was definitely inappropriate for me to assume you meant "Val said." I am very very sorry. I hope you will forgive me.

I know only too well the dangers of hurrying through posts and making my point as succinct as possible because of time constraints. My intent is so often misunderstood when I do that... so I should really know better. I do hope you'll forgive me.

Love,

Val

 

[jeanystar]

Demitra,
If you let some silly a##hole deter you from putting out a book, you are not being the woman I know you are...and I dont even know you that well. You write so well, the world needs your talent, your fire , your warmth, and your insights. AND your sensitivity. YOu have remarkable talent. who said that "all great people are misunderstood" ? Yes, you will be misunderstood at times, yes.but that is no reason to stop writing, sharing, teaching, helping, hoping, expressing and BEING who you are. It is just part of the landscape. DON"T YOU EVER GIVE UP. love jeannie

 

[jeanystar]

the silly "blank-blank" in my last post here was meant for "anonymous", not anyone else....but in reality, I dont want to call anyone that name..I apologize! J

 

[gene]

Demitra

We've been through this before, and you came back. There is no need to stop writing a book. You can write very well, and you have a lot to offer. Any author, no matter how well intentioned, is going to sooner or later receive criticism, well meaning or not, from a lot of people. It is part of being on this planet.

Now, admittedly, I haven't seen all the posts, and the ins and outs of this whole situation. But no matter what, there are people here that think very highly of you, and want you on the board.

You know very well us first house Neptunians are always being misperceived, misunderstood, and often villified, it's just part of the program. The universe is a consciousness, that consciousness tests us sometimes, to see what we are made of. I think you are made of steel. In a good sense, anyway.

I'll email you soon.
Gene

 

[cal val]

Demi

I didn't get an email from you. You don't have your email address in your profile, and there's something I want to tell you. Geesh I hope you peek in.

I have to tell you what I was thinking about your posts. You write really really well. You write so well that for awhile I was sure you were an author, and I was suspecting you might be Dan Brown. So I went searching for excerpts of his work to compare to your style. The styles didn't really match or differ that much, and I was still in the dark. But then I noticed the British/Canadian/Australian spelling in one of your posts, and I knew you weren't Dan Brown. But I knew you were as good a writer as he is if not better, and one his novels, "The DaVinci Code," is being made into a movie. I still suspected you were an author up to the conversation with Martin.

Yeah, you have anger sometimes. So what. We all do. You certainly do express it well in writing. It's so controlled... channeled. That's something not many of us can do. I absolutely LOVED the "wagging finger" thing. Oh God that was gooooood. Killer... *grin* You also have strong psychological awareness. Ever think about a suspense thriller kind of thing? Maybe it would be a good thing if you DID forget about this forum... if you focused on a novel or something. Our loss yeah, but only temporarily... only until your book hits the stores. I want to know when it does if it does.

Gene,

When you email Demi, would you please ask her to email me too. I do so want to apologize and tell her how much I admire her talent.

Thanks.

Love,

Val

 

[gene]

Val

I'll let her know you are trying to contact her. I have to think for a while what all I am going to say...however, Demitra and I are in pretty regular contact anyway. And knowing Demitra, I suspect she is still reading these posts, even if she is not writing right now.

Gene

 

[martin]

Hmm, I was not too sure about it till now but it seems that the world really keeps turning while I am sleeping. A lot has happened since I last visited this forum.

Dear Demitra, others have said it already, there is nothing wrong with your writing skills. On the contrary, you are indeed very talented and I hope that you will write that book. It may very well become a classic.
As we all know, accidents like this happen all the time on the internet. It is very easy to misinterpret the intent of a post and read a tone in it that was not intended. Especially when nothing is known about a poster and his or her background.
The most recent anonymous post was a one liner that sounded mean in your ears. But was it mean?
I have reread that post several times and I must say that I really don't know, I have no clue.
It's possible that the poster wanted to insult you, it's also possible that he or she had friendly intentions and simply wanted to point out something that might be helpful. I have no idea.

I have also reread all the earlier posts, from where it all began, the first encounter of you and Candid. If you say that there was no hostile intent on your side I believe you, but I do hear something in your words that reminds me of pictures of Indians in war colors, with tomahawks and all that

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Now, as you know, I'm not entirely unfamiliar with your horoscope and I wonder, could this be somehow related to the position of your moon?
I don't know if Candid was as much into stories about Indians as I was when I was a child, but he apparently also saw a tomahawk or a similar weapon that seemed to be aimed at his head. And he responded with what could be qualified as an indecent proposal ...
A few posts later I became really fed up with this whole thing and said something very indecent. Sorry for that outburst, but you know now that it was not meant for you.
You surely have spine and a lot of guts. You are very courageous. Concerning that other attribute that was supposedly missing, well, it's clear that I got the gender wrong, isn't it?
ROTFL, sorry, I hope that you can also laugh about it now. In retrospect it's all so comical.

Where was I? Tomahawks, courage, moon .. warrior moon. Behind that a very sensitive human being. This combination of fighting spirit and sensitivity is beautiful. But the problem is, I think, that people who perceive your warrior side sometimes strike back at you and do not realize how sensitive you are and how deeply they can hurt you.
Well, I don't want to say too much about this on a public forum. We can talk about it through private email, if you like. My email address is in my profile.
I hope that you are still reading this forum and that you will soon be back in your full glory.

And by all means, write that book!

Love,
Martin

 

[Sparhawk]

Hi all, I just received a request from Demitra to forward a message for her to the board. Small request, indeed.

Here it goes:

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I've read the supportive postings that have so far been put up and I appreciate everyone's attempts at making me feel better but nothing at this point is going to change anything. I am questioning everything about myself today. I just don't feel very confident about my ability to communicate my intentions, considering how misread I've consistently been on this board of late. But thanks just the same. Truly. Maybe all your nice words will have more sway over me sometime in the future.

The thing is, sometimes the decisions we make about how to treat and talk to others, failed communications and email delivery failures aside, we have to accept that there are no do-overs. Any mistakes made are final, permanent and unalterable. Yesterday's meltdown was just such an end-of-the-line thing. Everything that was clear and certain yesterday morning has flown out the window and I don't see any traces of my life left. None. Maybe in the long-run I will see that this was a good thing - we'll see.

I don't want Val to think this is her fault because the misunderstanding, though it was a surprising blow, it wasn't in and of itself the thing that did me in. It's only abject and deliberate meanness that can do that. I myself knew that I had not meant Val any harm and I would make her see that. So, no, no, the misunderstanding with Val was not the thing that caused this tide to turn.

It was that last anonymous hostility missile with the intent to pierce me with its "proof" of the presence of my "supposedly" tremendous hostility levels, THAT was the last straw on this camels back. And though Martin is only trying to be "fair", he is being fair to someone who's sole use of the anonymity feature was to hurt me and nothing more than that - you know, the old "hit and run" maneuver.

What Martin, and perhaps the rest of you too, have failed to notice about that very short message, is that Anonymous deliberately printed my name and "exposed" me. I know that pretty much everyone by that point knew that it was me under there, but that isn't the point, not the point at all. This person chose to name me openly after Martin himself very clearly indicated that had he wanted to harm me he would have exposed me. Remember that? And so I have no doubt that the intent was to to harm me, plain and simple. Anon, for your information, that is hostility, not anything I've ever done on this board.

I've used the anonymous feature more than a few times in the past 6 months for different reasons. I've learned a lot about how people work from this experience. In anycase, first I went around helping others, then I asked for help a few times for myself, and I've also horsed around harmlessly setting up birthday parties for other people's enjoyment. But I have never done a hit and run, never! That's just pure hatred run amok and I just don't have that kind of s*it rotting inside me to do that kind of thing, ever.

To Anonymous : your anger and your resentments are a poison in your system. You think that smacking other people over the head with your internal suffering is going to relieve you of your own pain, and maybe it does in the short-term, but it will always come back and you will have to do it again and again. All this does is add more pain, confusion and negativity to the atmosphere of humanity and you yourself are no more ahead than before not to mention that you are dragging the rest of us back too.

Though reincarnation is a fact, without an effort to elevate and purify yourself spiritually at this time of our planetary purification stage (because we are indeed moving into a very different area of space) you will be too "heavy" to make it through to the more highly refined regions we are entering into. Those who cannot keep up will be in a manner of speaking "recycled" back into the lower levels of the next animal kingdom. So, you will reincarnate to be sure, but not with the rest of your class. Think about that the next time you have a choice between offering a flower in empathy and understanding, or sticking a sword in someone's back.
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Luis

 

[cal val]

Gene,

Thank you very much. You are a kind gentleman.

Demi,

You point is well taken about the last anonymous exposing you. I honestly had no idea yet who you were when I posted about the quote I thought you were attributing to me. That's why I mentioned being misquoted in both public and private. I had no idea if you were someone I'd communicated with about astrology in email or not. If it had been in email that still would have been a misquote because that is not why I choose not to have a sign.

If I were to tell my little story, many might be shocked and just might learn a lesson about THINKING they know what's in another's mind. It's a long story that involved many years and a lot of money spent on a rather open-minded study of possibilities. My chooses are for me and no one else. I made a conscious decision for myself... not for anyone else. So I'm keeping my little story to myself. I respect everyone else's choice to either believe 100%, disbelief 100%, search in an unknowing way or cease to invest in a search (for whatever reason) while keeping the door open to possibilities... or close the door... or whatever.

I would gladly have given all my ephemerises and many other books on astrology to you if I had known you the many years ago that I decided to chuck my sign and disperse my library... because I know you would have appreciated them. Well maybe I might have given a few each to you, Martin and Gene. Who knows... *shrugs shoulders* Really... who really knows?

With love, respect and admiration,

Val

 

[gene]

Boy, I could sure use some astrology books right now. I had left about 40 of them at an ex girlfriends house for safekeeping, so to speak. Well, her next door neighbor didn't like her complaining about his loud music at 3 am so he burnt her house down last weekend. I lost maybe $500 worth of books, my old computer, a phone system I had left her, a microwave, and several other things. Fortunately, it was only the astrology books, not the other books. I have everything else right now with me.

Gene

 

[gene]

Oh, she and her little dog did get out safely, but just barely in time, the trailer went up fast.

Gene

 

[cal val]

Gene,

I'm so sorry for your loss. I'm happy to hear no lives were lost.

Is her neighbor in jail now? I hope.

Love,

Val

 

[demitramn]

only here briefly to respond to some comments and questions that Dij presented and then i will keep my word and disappear from this board. warning: some of you may "see" weapons, tomahawks perhaps, between the lines. i won't change my style of speaking to suit anyone here and so you have been warned..

Dij, i hope to god that when i'm "old" (as you claim to be in your profile) that wallowing in the muck at other people's expense won't be the highlite of my day

that being said, <BLOCKQUOTE><HR SIZE=0><!-Quote-!><FONT SIZE=1>Quote:</FONT>

And the third thing, a question (and please don't be offended) did you say that thing about giving up writing for effect, sympathy or just to cause plot to thicken?<!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE> at the time, i can't say that i was thinking too clearly. i was experiencing a melt-down, a burnout. i consciously intended none of the above, yet i believe i managed to accomplish all three. pretty amazing considering i was consciously intending nothing.

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(I'd rather believe the former than what appears to be a very smart and talented person being also a bit of a drama queen<!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE> why? smart and talented people aren't human too? doesn't the potential for drama live inside us all? and spill out when we recognize that our best efforts are mocked if not just plain overlooked? (rhetorical = not meant to be answered)


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I just read it. Oh boo hoo hoo. I am sorry lady, that's how it seems to me.<!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE> well, i'm certainly glad that there are other people in my life i can depend on for comfort and support otherwise i'd really be out of luck, wouldn't i? (once again, rhetorical)

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Now, I know what it's like when you get started of on CAndid, and he presses every button GOD intended and goes and breaks off the ones for patience so all a person can do is steam though the ears and maybe shake a fist at the computer and all, but who in their right mind allows some comment to unhinge them to the point of questioning themselves to the degree you seem to imply you are questioning yourself.<!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE> Candid has two distinctive traits, domineering and obstinate, and the only way to deal with him is give him back more of the same. it would not be true to say that i can't handle him, but having to put up this front of candid-style-defensiveness just to dance with him (figuratively speaking but needs to be said as so many here are literal-minded) can wear on anyone, even me.

And as far as my ability to write goes: another set of poorly arranged words on my part - what i meant was, if no one understands what i'm saying, if everyone reads into my words something i did not intend, why am i going to the trouble to say it in a book? why bother at all?

however, the more i consider it, the more i realize my frustration had to do with this board, more than my work on my book. i can see now, that i was struggling with the trouble i've gone to in speaking on this board. as of my burnout night, i see that there is no value left in speaking here, at least for me. though i can be most tolerant, i have no patience for all the proud posturing required to hang-out here. of course, those of you who are still gaining something from being here will stoutly defend your decision for remaining but it doesn't change the fact that speaking here requires a certain falseness, otherwise you quickly acquire a "label" and are treated accordingly. the fact is, there is more time spent discussing the VALUE of topics, than actually discussing THE topics. there is more time spent on discussing the flaws in HOW so-and-so said what they said, than addressing the actual topic of discussion.

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your last words: "sticking a sword in someone's back"
way overdramatic. waaaaaaaaay<!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE> i guess i need to spell it out for you. this is my way of defining the difference between empathizing with someone and wanting to get your digs in. we call this applying m-e-t-a-p-h-o-r. no disrespect intended - but then, i've been labeled here and so someone is bound to read disrespect and hostility in my spelling it out for you.

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my final words must go out to the biggest pain in the butt i've ever had the good fortune (you heard right) to cross my path. mirroring you as been very enlightening, thank you.

Candid, <BLOCKQUOTE><HR SIZE=0><!-Quote-!><FONT SIZE=1>Quote:</FONT>

My main point was very simply that these are not new theories. That wasn?t based on my ignorance. That was based on fact.<!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE> too bad you couldn't have said THIS, just like this, the first time. too bad you felt compelled to shove a frog up the backside first. things might've turned out very differently - but then some people here wouldn't have been entertained ...

 

[dij]

Lady D!!

well..all things considered....you're prolly better off spending your time and energy on your book and not on this board - more so if you don't enjoy being here as you said.

glad you posted - I never noticed that thing about people here being labelled and discussion centering on how instead of why...etc..but no wonder, I don't actually hang around here too often. I'll pay closer attention to that.

wishing you lots of cuddles and comforters

----
Hey Luis - you flippin' started it with all dem insinuations of naughtiness and whatsits. Apologies to da Misus an' young'uns

 

[Sparhawk]

Then again, I may stand corrected... One never knows where the frog may jump next...

Martin, good mannered naughtiness is the spice of life... Doesn't have to mean anything other than some extra flavor added to one's words.

L

 

[dij]

you mean Dij, not Martin, right?

coz, last I checked, me and Martin weren't the same person.

 

[martin]

Roger that, Luis.
By the way, I hope that that poor frog has jumped out of the danger zone now.

 

[candid]

Well, I NEVER! *humph* *piss* *moan* whine*

Actually, Demitra, you?re partly correct. I am an alpha male. I guess you have a little trouble with those types. But anyone here who has been around for any period of time also knows that I am compassionate, gentle, persuasive (oops, is that domineering?) and genuine. Add also at times: arrogant, smug, conceited, indifferent.

That said, I greatly admire strong women. I admire strength, period.

Nice return. Good conviction.

 

[cal val]

Luis...

Your good mannered naughtiness with Demitra has added life and a good deal of entertainment value to this board.

But don't think I'm not giving you all the credit and get a big head. I'm only giving you half. I love the way she volleys the naughtiness right back into your court. She does it so well. She has a talent for innocent flirting that I envy.

I hope there's more of that fun stuff to come.

Love,

Val

 

[pakua]

I have to agree to some extent with Demitra.

I'm a newcomer here, but I've read lots of back threads in my effort to learn Yi, and I was shocked and amazed that several times people have "forced out" other people who had valuable and interesting things to say. What a loss of resources.

I am particularly surprised because here there is a wonderful tool to use, and yet it appears it's not being used when needed, by the very people who know the most about it.

 

[tashij]

another map

http://sensoryoverload.typepad.com/sensory_overload/2004/11/free_states_vs_.html