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[from your link cited, though actually just another bald conclusory allegation of apriori assumptions of no logical import or weight.]Consequently, based on the studies, it is highly probable that:
(11) The sequence of the hexagrams known in our days and considered as traditional is derived from the Yi-globe. This sequence is the one-dimensional, distorted variant of the Yi-globe; however, it embraces its elements in a latent form...
If it is supposed that the above described assumption aiming at the origin of the traditional, canonical sequence is correct, it makes further guessing needless in respect to the possible connotations implied in the sequence of the hexagrams. It seems that the meaning of the hexagrams as a whole lies not in their sequence but in the archetypal image, the Yi-globe. That is to say, the sequence itself is nothing but the simplified, one-dimensional variant of the Yi-globe. This variant is without space and time; the interrelations of the hexagrams are hardly recognizable. Moreover, the changes occurred in it in the course of time almost completely annihilated the little information that remained. Any other deduction made on the basis of this sequence can only lead astray.
The first half is the simple statement often found in Chinese philosophy of the three realms of the Earth, human society and Divine principle described in their archetypal decads or sets of 10, also important in traditional Chinese numbering. The possible hexagrams given a 6-place Yin matrix with Yang lines available comes to 64, this requires a second half or chapter containing the remaining three decads or sets of 10 and the extra four cardinal hexagrams by their structure and import. Try reading my newly online and edited Dyad page [http://www.stars-n-dice.com/dyad.html ] since clearly the whole of my Flux Tome pages and my various novel perspectives is apparently a bridge too far for you.But there is no clearly explanation of the received division of the sequence in two chapters?
Thanks for the remarks referring to the main points of the Yi-globe. I'll take one sentence after the other and try to give you adequate answers.The King Wen sequence is expressing another point of view than the Yi-globe sequence.
Saying that the hexagrams of the King Wen sequence are 'misplaced' is a subjective statesment.
The main difference between the two sequences is, that the hexagrampairs 27-28 and 61-62 are important and the hexagrampairs 51-52 and 57-58 not important in the King Wen sequence, while the opposite is true in the Yi-globe sequence. The main theme of the King Wen sequence is to underline a 'logic order' of the trigrams, Heaven-Earth-Water-Fire, while the main theme of the Yi-globe sequence is a 'logic order' of all hexagrams with respect to the number of yang-lines.
The order of the two hexagrams in each pair has a meaning in the King Wen sequence.
Does the order of the two hexagrams in each pair have a meaning in the Yi-globe sequence?
E.g. Level V: 9-10, 14-13, 43-44
E.g. Level I: 7-8, 15-16, 24-23
You believe in the King Wen's sequence, in the ideas of Gia-fu, and a lot of other things. As for me, I arrived to the Yi-globe on the way of reasoning, starting from premises, using arguments, and getting a conclusion. If you would oppose this conclusion in essentials, you had to find new arguments or to consider my arguments as invalid. Your belief does not touch the Yi-globe, and vice versa. The utmost we can do to have respect for the views of each other. I have. :bows:Hi Joe,
What, I believe, was the big innovation of the King Wen Sequence was that it raised the 64 possible hexagrams from earlier arrangements based upon line structure to a totally new level that established the entire set as the total entity.
Hi Joe,Hi Frank,
in two hours I shall be away, far from computer and internet. I'll be back after 20th of August.
I'll answer your letter then. Have a nice holiday too. Joe
The web page linked has the illustration of the basic Yi-globe which has absolutely no connection to I Ching, the transition from Shang era or Earlier Heaven arrangements to the King Wen Sequence.When in 19th century Tarot was connected "artfully" to the SY, a new system arose. From this point on one could assume a connection between I-Ching and Tarot - but it is a creative game and the world is, what you want, that it is. The I-Ching has no pictures, and by the way, the Chinese had no alphabet. And the author of SY probably didn't thought of divination, although his probable source, the priests of David, cared about it, and their binary use of Urim and Tunnim (oracle stones) might have led them to adopt the same mathematical formula.
Although the author of SY probably wrote in the centurys after Christ, the author couldn't have invented the 22 letters and the 10 fingers. This simple logic leads to the question, if the inventor of the Hebrew alphabet already had the system in his mind, when he choose the number 22 as the ordering number of his new invention. Then you are in a time around 1500 BC. Although there is the possibility, that he accidently (or because of linguistic reasons) took this number, the probability of an adoption of a scheme that was already known to him from another context (maybe as a divination-scheme, maybe as a memory-system) is high.
and the full article posting is:Co-author Steven Hoffman, Ph.D., visiting assistant professor of sociology at the University at Buffalo, says, "Our data shows substantial support for a cognitive theory known as 'motivated reasoning,' which suggests that rather than search rationally for information that either confirms or disconfirms a particular belief, people actually seek out information that confirms what they already believe.
"In fact," he says, "for the most part people completely ignore contrary information.
"The study demonstrates voters' ability to develop elaborate rationalizations based on faulty information," he explains.
Hi Steve,Joe, Thank you for your work on the Yi-Globe. It is very interesting and I look forward to trying it out.
Hi Joe, you are welcome. Such intensive works deserves accolades! :bows:May I know, what will be the subject of your experiment? My hope is that sometime somebody will find some kind of interrelation between the received hexagram of a divination and its proper place on the globe. As we know this hexagram is the image of the actual earthly situation. As I think the Yi-globe is the image of the Universe, the Heaven. Knowing his condition (by the received hexagram), the man would have to bring himself into harmony with the Heaven. Thus, perhaps the Yi-globe could give him some more information on his way by its specific means, such as the position in space and time, connection with other symbols, and so on.
Please let me (or us, here) know the results of your future experiments.
That part is correct - heaven and earth to be exact, but what the real relevance of the halving is will be lost to you right now I am pretty sure. Even if I say "180 degrees rotation and reverse the reproduction rules" it will still not spill the beansthe new arrangement of the 64 possible hexagrams into two halves
An interesting idea, however, with regards to the Heaven, Human, Earth distinctions one finds within the hexagrams and trigrams by way of their natural, obvious, and complete divisions in to 3 neat sections, this doesn't seem to apply to the 8x8 64 hexagrams, whose most obvious numerical leanings are towards the number 2.There is something interesting in your dividing the KWS halves in terms of Heaven and Earth. Not that it actually relates to ancient Chinese philosophy, which always starts with the three realms of Planet Earth, human society and Divine principle. However, the second half, at least the first 3 sets of10 are about more mundane matters. Not the Earth itself, but the relationships of individuals which are about folks living on the Earth.
Hi Frank,Hi Erime,
You might want to check out Joe's Yi globe animation. It uses elements from the 4 cardinal directions and the Earlier Heaven arrangement as well as a similar philosophical basis to your work. Start off trying to relate his animation to your work, rather than just dismissing it as different. You might find a deep connection since your premises and assumptions are related. His begins with binary counting within the Tarot categories of 22 and 10 that yields parallels (like latitude) based upon the number of Yang lines in each hexagram.
In fact, the six trigrams (three 'sons' and three 'daughters') belong, as usual, to both parents.DryJoe,
Thanks for your contribution. I am a fan of iching for the last 10 years. As I ran to your discovery of the Yi-Globe, I have some questions about it. Hopeful you can explain it to me.
(1) In the figure 8a at page
It states that the birth of the 3 sons and daughters. According to my study:
Qian (father) has 3 sons : Gen, Kan & Zhen
Kun (mother) has 3 daugters: Dui, Li, Xun
=> Your logic is opposite to the iching old books.
If you flip your yi-globe 180 degree with hexgram #1 on the bottom to represent SOUTH to match the meaning of Hexagram #1 (the 4th lunar month, Summer), then you would have the perfect Yi-Globe
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