Time for Salary increase: 7.2 ->2?

[willowfox]

To lightangel,

Read it again until you understand, October was not a prediction of anything it just so happened that it was a fortunate period but not to do anything in particular. Read.

"I mean, am I missing something???? " Yes!
"You are saying we should try your method, that it works, but the demonstration you give of it is flawed." I am not saying to try anything, thank you.

"The only hex-time frame relationship you mention is NOT the answer." The time I mentioned was Jan/Feb, read it again.

"Where does January February come from?" Sorry you are not a good student.



Hex 7 has nothing to do with this question because it indicates May.

 

[willowfox]

Elizabeth,

In any case, I'm interested in when I will get a significant raise (by significant, I dont mean 5 or 10 percent, but more like 25-100%). The last reading above is worth interpreting. I'm not sure what 38 and 35 have to say...

I have already told you that a large salary increase is not on the cards.

 

[elizabeth]

Bruce_g,

Yes, free to examine other possibilities. To be honest, I've been preparing for this talk for over two weeks and now I"m in shock that it's over. I cant function right now as I didnt sleep the past two nights..anxiety in preparation. I sent out resumes over the weekend, somewhat against my will. Certain days I feel ready to "move back to the nice comfy lifestyle that the US affords" and others I am certain I do not want to leave yet. That flip flopping is not helping me!

I'm so used to living hand to mouth that I dont really have a good grasp of what the limit is in terms of financial comfort or not. I saw someone else's thread here about being offered well over her current salary and i was shocked -- i cannot imagine such a scenario, how luxurious to not compare the price of goods in a store, to not worry about eating out (to be able to eat out at all). At any rate I digress. I need sleep before I can decide anything.

 

[luz]

Hi Elizabeth,

I think this is a tough situation you are in, no doubt about it. Even though the market conditions are affecting you directly in this country, companies don't react quickly to these things. I suppose that most of the locals are not as affected as you are, so it's not like an emergency situation for anybody except you. That is tough.

I think it's good that you brought this to light, that you talked to your boss and explained the situation to him. That is all you can do.

Keep in mind that, specially in big companies, it can be difficult to get things done outside of 'the box', in this case the box would be the normal process they have for pay raises. So, try not to blame anybody or to feel too resentful towards the company or your boss. As you said it yourself, if he recognizes your value he will do all he can to make it possible for you to stay. That is all he can do.

I see 38.1 as telling to have faith, like Bruce says. Don't panic, somehow you will find a solution. I see line 2 as perhaps predicting that you will get some sort of raise, but not as much as you hope for.
But these are just my opinions, of course, I don't really feel qualified to make predictions.
Except for the prediction that things will be okay.
Wish you the best.

 

[elizabeth]

Lightangel,

Thank you -- truer words of wisdom were never spoken! I have a great relationship with my boss (and coworkers). I love this job. I haven't been able to say that about other jobs, which makes this in some ways easier, perhaps. It keeps me in the situation in any case, whether that is good or not, I dont know. I did some math just now, looking at income/expenses. If i can find a certain rent level, I can stay another year without totally upsetting my financial situation. So that's kind of good news, I suppose? I am holding out hope that my boss may come back with some compromise, as you hinted at: maybe not a large raise but something else, a montly stipend, or a 401K (if i had THAT, it would mean a lot). Thanks also for the reminder that big companies act slowly. (Unfortunately, for them!) We will see, I suppose. We will see.

 

[luz]

Lol, you are a horrible teacher!!
You manage to say absolutely nothing, even though you use many words. You are skilled, willowfox, have no doubts!!
Perhaps you could be a good politician

Why are you so afraid to say where January/February came from??
Why is the Yi so evasive when it comes to time frames??? Why didn't it give a direct answer???

Don't worry, they are rhetorical questions. I don't think you have the answers.

 

[bruce_g]

Originally Posted by bruce_g
The whole timeline prediction thing gives me the creeps, especially when it's predicted with such absolute certainty.

Why does it frighten you so much?

Because, Willowfox, it's easy to tell someone what will happen when, but they are the ones who will suffer if your predictions are incorrect.

And if your predictions are correct, what will they have learned from the experience?

 

[willowfox]

Posted by willowfox on page 2,

"Well, I don't see your boss agreeing to a wage increase just yet. Your salary will remain the same. There is a possibility that you may receive some money at the beginning of December. A salary increase at the end of January 2007, but probably not as much as you wanted. Your salary prospects are not strong for quite some time to come, meaning you will not receive a good wage."

Well, lightangel, what do you think, is this flawed as well as everything else. I still think you need glasses though, no offense. Or contact lenses, magnifying glass.

 

[luz]

Elizabeth,

Oh yes, that sounds like great news, knowing that you can at least buy some time. I did worry a bit about you having to make a decision when even returning home is not a clear option at the moment.

Take care.

 

[willowfox]

To lightangel,
"Why are you so afraid to say where January/February came from??"

I am not afraid at all, I would love to explain it to someone who will not try to pick faults with me like you are doing.

"Why is the Yi so evasive when it comes to time frames??? Why didn't it give a direct answer???"

Using the Yi to give a time can be extremely difficult at times, and at other times very easy. Why this is so, I have no idea, so there you go.

 

[luz]

"Well, I don't see your boss agreeing to a wage increase just yet. Your salary will remain the same. There is a possibility that you may receive some money at the beginning of December. A salary increase at the end of January 2007, but probably not as much as you wanted. Your salary prospects are not strong for quite some time to come, meaning you will not receive a good wage."

Do you explain here how your method arrives to those dates????? Isn't that the question I asked???

Are we on the same thread?????

 

[autumn]

but he said most likely it is not possible, bc salaries are only reviewed once per year, and that will be next September (2007),

It sounds like the initial reading of your timing question was as it appeared, and if there was a time for asking for a salary increase, it would have been at the same time your paperwork was in the process of being finalized, before Sept. 18.

I have lots more to share with you based on my experience, but not about timing, though. I haven't decided if I will post publicly or not. Don't give up hope in your life. Best wishes getting some sleep.

 

[willowfox]

"Because, Willowfox, it's easy to tell someone what will happen when, but they are the ones who will suffer if your predictions are incorrect."

Am I wrong or something, but wasn't this question about time, asking somebody on this forum to make a prediction of when a nice salary increase would be coming along? Or have I missed something? Okay, please tell me what I have said that is incorrect/wrong so far?

 

[elizabeth]

Autumn, send me a private message if you like then. im very interested in whatever experiences you've learned from too, we can always learn from each other.

I'm now bedbound and hopefully will be more clearheaded tomorrow!

 

[willowfox]

Lightangel,

"Do you explain here how your method arrives to those dates????? Isn't that the question I asked???" I said you were a bad student, and even if I explained you would still not understand. Your only course of action here is to find fault, ain't that so.

Are we on the same thread????? Perhaps you are not, it is that time for glasses again.

 

[luz]

WF,

Thanks for helping me build my character.. :bows:

I will now take a deep breath and forget about your methods, if you don't mind...

 

[willowfox]

Lite,

"I will now take a deep breath and forget about your methods, if you don't mind..."

And I never showed you my methods, what a shame. Oh the wonders that you are missing.

 

[heylise]

Such an interesting thread. The answer which made real sense came from who truly cared for the wellbeing of a fellow human being.
LiSe

 

[hilary]

Reading through, I was thinking how much I admire the people who can keep giving quiet attention to readings amidst the brouhaha.

7.2 as an inner 'time' would have to do with being ready to accept either a change of responsibility, or more responsibility. Perhaps being ready to work with greater flexibility, or on some kind of performance-based pay, if that exists in Elizabeth's line of work.

I can't imagine a company willing to pay one employee more than the others just because her living expenses were greater. But I can imagine paying more because she gave the company exceptional service.

So maybe the question to ask the boss isn't so much 'can I have a payrise?' as 'how can I earn more?' I know this sounds harsh - but being in the army, and in the centre of it at that, is harsh.

 

[elizabeth]

Hilary,

Funny you just posted, I was just about to write you! Thank you for chiming in (I have insomnia apparently.. I'm still up). I agree with your statement and in fact suggested as much to my boss. You're right, why should they pay me more, even in extenuated circumstances? So I offered to take on additional responsibilities (I gave one rather weak suggestion but maybe I will think of others to tell my boss).

I am contemplating sending a recap email right now with a list of the pricing concerns and again an offer to take on more...something in writing for his records (or to state my case more firmly to the powers that be on his end). I am not expecting any salary raise, at any point, based on what happened today. I do hope my boss is considering what it might mean to lose me though. I dont know -- most employees are totally replaceable at most corporations. Not sure how they view me. I feel doubly stuck as I really like my boss and the people I work with. I've never had that situation before. This salary is just way too low (that part of it I HAVE had before!)

 

[Trojina]

Reading through, I was thinking how much I admire the people who can keep giving quiet attention to readings amidst the brouhaha.

that, is harsh.

Brouhaha ? The use of this word implies you think theres some people making alot of fuss about nothing ? I couldn't agree less.

If one person tells another what WILL happen it is likley (if that person is lost enought to believe them) this will change their course of action. For example perhaps if someones told they will never have a good relationship with X or that they will never be successful in a career they are thinking of, perhaps they will never even try. To this extent this prediction then has affected their decisions.

Oh BTW I don't even believe that Wfox or anyone else knows exactly what will happen nor certainly when it will happen. Why ? Because of free choice and decision making, talk about the Yi causing loss of personal power, its happening right here in this thread.

I'm glad some pipe up now and then to question this approach. I think it rather dismissive to call such questioning 'brouhaha' .

 

[jesed]

Hi Elizabeth

I'll send you a private messenger in a couple of days (now I'm too busy; and I'm getting tire of people in this forum saying me I cann't do what I do).

Best wishes

 

[hilary]

I'm sorry - bad choice of word. I didn't (remotely) mean to be dismissive of the concerns or the questioning. I just meant 'row', not that the content of said row was trivial.

I think we could maybe use a separate thread about this under 'Divination Discussion'. (Or has it all already been said?) After all, if we don't intend for our readings to affect people's decisions, what are we doing here? And isn't it possible for a reading to tell someone they should stop trying? I've seen a few readings that said, 'No, you can't knock this brick wall down with your head.'

There are things about Willowfox's approach I don't like, but the desire to give people a reading they can act on is not one of them. It creates a thoroughly scary responsibility, but I think that's something any diviner lives with.

 

[hilary]

Btw, Elizabeth (from one apparent insomniac to another ) - there is another side to hexagram 7. How much of your life do you want to give to your work? How much sacrifice to the cause is OK? What are you fighting for - and are you still getting closer to it?

 

[Trojina]

I'm sorry - bad choice of word. I didn't (remotely) mean to be dismissive of the concerns or the questioning. I just meant 'row', not that the content of said row was trivial.

I think we could maybe use a separate thread about this under 'Divination Discussion'. (Or has it all already been said?) After all, if we don't intend for our readings to affect people's decisions, what are we doing here? And isn't it possible for a reading to tell someone they should stop trying? I've seen a few readings that said, 'No, you can't knock this brick wall down with your head.'

There are things about Willowfox's approach I don't like, but the desire to give people a reading they can act on is not one of them. It creates a thoroughly scary responsibility, but I think that's something any diviner lives with.

Funny I never have much desire to affect a persons decisions, thats not the reason I'm here. All i can ever do is offer my thoughts about a casting. Actually i think thats all any diviner can do. Of course there are people with gifts of clairvoyance and prophecy, yet I think rarely do even they claim to know dates on which an event will take place - because it just doesn't work like that. Nor is there anyone who can say for sure what will for certain happen or not. Yet why am i bothering to state the obvious....

Besides its one thing to affect a persons decision making process,( yes of course that will be inevitable, all the feedback and information they get will help them form a decision) and quite another to tell someone this or that will or won't happen for sure.

I never said I disliked the idea of giving a reading a person can act on ? I said giving cast iron predictions was irresponsible not because its scary but just because its a plain misleading. Mind you there does seem to be a healthy market for it, very depressing.

Theres no point in another thread about this, its already been said. Fortune telling by numbers seems to rule. Oh yeah and if someones told that they'll never be what they dreamed they would, that they'll never marry the person they thought they would and it crushes their hopes,who cares, you'll never meet them. Someone here will usually step in with an alternative view anyway, again and again. Well if they didn't it would just be a fortune telling forum wouldn't it..without brouhaha thats all it would be..

 

[willowfox]

Hello trojan,

Oh BTW I don't even believe that Wfox or anyone else knows exactly what will happen nor certainly when it will happen. Why ? Because of free choice and decision making, talk about the Yi causing loss of personal power, its happening right here in this thread.

Oh my, oh my, yea of little faith, by the way the Earth is not flat anymore either. All I can say is, for you and some others on this forum to open their minds to the vast amount of possibilities that are contained within the I Ching. Some people here are to quick to be negative when the whole idea is to discover new methods of divining. The Chinese are so different from you western people, they place no such limitations on the I Ching. How many of you so called experts have even been to China? I have and I worked there as well. Asian diviners opened my eyes to many, many new ideas. You western people are too closed minded, be more experimental, try something before you say it can't be done. If you sincerely try, you will find that many things that you thought were impossible are indeed very possible.

"I never said I disliked the idea of giving a reading a person can act on ? I said giving cast iron predictions was irresponsible not because its scary but just because its a plain misleading. Mind you there does seem to be a healthy market for it, very depressing."

You are so short sighted. Giving vague answers like some of the people on this forum do, is of no use to anyone.

 

[willowfox]

Hi hilary,

"There are things about Willowfox's approach I don't like, but the desire to give people a reading they can act on is not one of them. It creates a thoroughly scary responsibility, but I think that's something any diviner lives with."

Well, I have never been a person to hide their head in the sand when the going gets rough, and I have no intention of giving in to the doom crowd. There are a few people here who don't like how I approach my job but I do not follow non existant rules. I have asked for people to show all the mistakes that I have made in my readings, but please don't twist my words like Lightangel did, that is so unproductive.

"Originally Posted by hilary
Reading through, I was thinking how much I admire the people who can keep giving quiet attention to readings amidst the brouhaha.

that, is harsh."

I was attacked last night by Lightangel and felt compelled to set the facts ,as I gave them, straight. Is that so very wrong? I would love to be left alone to do what I have to do but there are too many nay sayers here who make it their business to be negative. I would love to explain how I reach my conclusions but what's the point when certain people, instead of keeping an open mind, will straight away find fault and say it is impossible, therefore I seemed to be damned on this forum in whatever I do. If I call it a day and quit, then the doom merchants will think they have won a well earned victory and retire back to their cocoons where no other way of divining is possible other than what they believe is possible.

"After all, if we don't intend for our readings to affect people's decisions, what are we doing here?"

Exactly, people come for advice, so a few of us try to provide that advice. It is like I said before, I say it as I see it . It is like any person who gives another advice, whatever the profession, they are responsible.

"It creates a thoroughly scary responsibility, but I think that's something any diviner lives with."

Also, doctors, politicans, lawyers, generals, councilors, priests, etc, etc.

 

[willowfox]

To trojan,

"Oh yeah and if someones told that they'll never be what they dreamed they would, that they'll never marry the person they thought they would and it crushes their hopes,who cares, you'll never meet them."

You are so wrong, I do indeed do actual face to face readings and I do see those people again. So I do indeed care! You are intelligent enough to know that certain things are not destined to be whatever you do. So, if you sincerely believe that you can be a prime minister, and I do a reading for you and say no, have I destroyed your hopes? If I say you won't marry that 30 years old Hollywood film star, have I crushed your hopes, will you then give up on life and become a Buddhist nun in Tibet? If you are an intelligent, reasoning adult, you will simply carry on with your life.

 

[willowfox]

To bruce,

"Because, Willowfox, it's easy to tell someone what will happen when, but they are the ones who will suffer if your predictions are incorrect.

And if your predictions are correct, what will they have learned from the experience?"

Well, it seems to me and a a few others that people put questions up that they want an answers to, yes or no? Most of those questions are a desire to know what the future holds. Therefore, when people such as yourself, answer those questions, you are in actual fact making a prediction.

"A prediction or forecast is a statement or claim that a particular event will occur in the future." You are all guilty of this in one way or another.

"An oracle is a person or agency considered to be a source of wise counsel or prophetic opinion; an infallible authority, usually spiritual in nature. It can also be a prediction of the future, from the gods, that is spoken through another object or life-form. In the ancient world many sites gained a reputation for the dispensing of oracular wisdom: they too became known as "oracles", as did the oracular utterances themselves, whose very name is derived from the Latin verb orare, to speak.

Oracles were common in many civilizations of antiquity. In China, the use of oracle bones dates as far back as the Shang Dynasty, (1600 BC - 1046 BC). The I Ching, or "Book of Changes", is a collection of linear signs used as oracles that dates from that period. Although divination with the I Ching is thought to have originated prior to the Shang Dynasty, it was not until King Wu of Zhou (1046 BC-1043 BC) that it took its present form. In addition to its oracular power, the I Ching has had a major influence on the philosophy, literature and statecraft of China from the time of the Zhou Dynasty (1122 BC - 256 BC)."

Divination is the attempt of ascertaining information by interpretation of omens or an alleged supernatural agency[1].

"If a distinction is to be made between divination and fortune-telling, divination has a formal or ritual and often social character, usually in a religious context; while fortune-telling is a more everyday practice for personal purposes. Divination is often dismissed by skeptics, including the scientific community, as being mere superstition."

Well, you call yourself a diviner, it's all superstitious nonsense.

The point is, judge yourself before you judge others.

 

[willowfox]

To trojan,

You wote and I quote;

"Well if they didn't it would just be a fortune telling forum wouldn't it"

"Divination is the attempt of ascertaining information by interpretation of omens or an alleged supernatural agency[1].
If a distinction is to be made between divination and fortune-telling, divination has a formal or ritual and often social character, usually in a religious context; while fortune-telling is a more everyday practice for personal purposes. Divination is often dismissed by skeptics, including the scientific community, as being mere superstition."

Well, there you go, the skeptics, among us, and the mad scientists, believe this forum to be nothing but superstitious nonsense. Divination/Fortune telling, its really just a matter of spelling. Rock on weirdos and hippies.