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Hi All,

I turn to the Yi when I have doubts about what the right thing to for *me* is.

I just lost my dog, best friend and constant companion of 16 years. Of all the dogs I have had, he was "the dog of my life", the mutual connection was quite incredible. I work at home, so we were together almost 24/7 and I took him nearly everywhere with me. He had a huge fan club and all agree he was the most kind and gentle and joyful soul they had ever met. The things I enjoy doing most - going for long walks in the country daily & gardening - hold little appeal at this point because there is no sharing. I kick myself in the arse to stick my nose out of the house and am perfectly capable of being a near total hermit.

I waited over 2 years to adopt a new cat (many discussions on this thread about bringing her back to Europe! She is doing fine, misses her pal, but all the rock and roll to get her here was worth it) after losing "the cat of my life" after 21 years. It made no difference: the new cat was the new cat, with a very different personality and we have built a very different relationship from the one I had with my former cat. I still miss him. The new cat is not a substitute, she is a whole new deal.

Folks are giving me a fair amount of grief about my already starting to think about adopting another dog. They feel I am not allowing myself to grieve and that failure to grieve is bad for me. Oh, but I am grieving, and shall be for some time. There is a difference between missing MY dog (which will alwas be true) and missing having A dog, because i've had dogs all my life, because there are so many that need to be rescued, because much of my life is organized around having a dog, because without a dog I can easily become a hermit. A cat enriches my inside life, a dog enriches my outside life. I don't feel I am skipping grieving steps by envisaging adopting another dog in the quite near future.

So I turn to the Yi to clarify things.

Q1: Please assess my readiness to adopt so soon? 62.3.4 to 2
The changing lines don't sound very comforting, like I have to be careful, I could be struck down (by what?) but the resulting hex seems to fit my character of nurturing mother of openness to creatures from nature. Thus, answer not clear to me.

Q2: Why do I feel the urge to get a dog so quickly? 63.2 to 5
63 already across, decision made. Line 2 losing the carriage screen, don't go after it , it comes back in 7 days. The carriage screen as my departed dog? of course I can't run after him and he can't come back after 7 days... but another dog lands in my lap? Changes to 5, waiting, which also can mean hope, and looking forward rather than going to search> I don't search for the dog that would be suitable for me to adopt, he/she will come?

Q3: What would be the effect of waiting to adopt as many urge me to do? 47 UC
Confined.
What was I saying at the beginning? ha ha ha

Your insights will be invaluable :bows:
 

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Just a try:
Q1: Why do you want to adopt so soon 62.3.4 to 2? You feel safer with a dog … and probably like to be close to nature, go for walks, are used to life and to act with dogs.
Q2: 63.2.to 5: Trust yourself and the Situation. Wait until you trust yourself.
Q3: I don't understand this hexagram very well. Maybe it is about griefing.
 

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I'm sorry to hear this about your dog, Flashlight. :hug: (And I do remember some of that about getting your cat - I'm glad it has worked out well.)

Your readiness to adopt so soon. This is a confusing reading to me. Let's see. I wonder if it would help you to read this essay Hilary wrote about hexagram 62?

She talks about how hexagram 62 comes out of hexagram 61, Inner Truth, in the sequence. That might be important - you're describing some conflict between what you feel vs. what other people are telling you.

The sequence text is:
"To have trust naturally means acting on it, and so Small Exceeding follows."

Here's Hilary's commentary on it:
"When you are filled with inner conviction you are naturally moved to action. The truth you experience inwardly becomes a message you must carry safely out into the world."

It also turns out (linked at the bottom of the other essay) that Hilary's written a whole article on line 3, which includes a few comments on line 4. (Yay.) You might read through and see what you think. I'm getting a couple different things from it (on both sides of a line, appropriately enough), but it might be more clear to you.

One idea's that instead of making the transition and crossing the line with enthusiasm (62 line 3 by itself changes to hexagram 16, Enthusiasm), you're putting energy into defending yourself to other people, and that is what might "strike you down". (Perspective - "strike you down" might be more like "hold you back.") That sounds like what you described.

Another idea - I think - might be that someone could be caught up in imaginings (16) and overstep. In your case how that might work (theoretically) is you'd be overly caught up in the idea that you must have a dog right away, and possibly that the fact of having to push back on resistance from other people is making you want to move even more quickly than you would otherwise. Now, that doesn't sound at all like what you wrote, so it might not apply. You've been through this - successfully - before, getting new pets after a death.

But could there be any chance a message is not to rush into selecting a particular dog? Same as with people, we don't "hit it off" equally with everyone.
 
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Hello Flashlight, I'm not one to dwell on three readings when one will do, so I'm going to focus on your first one , 62.3.4 to 2.

This hexagram descibes your situation: on the one hand, you have the urge to keep things as they are, not make a decision, to hold off (lower trigram is mountain; while on the other hand there is a push to make a quick sudden decision (thunder, above)!. And here the two moving lines - the ones with the most energy - are right in the middle where the upper and trigrams meet - this is the place of making decisions and then living with what you've decided.

For me, the lines and the reading suggest a few things. First, that there are no mistakes here - whatever decision you make will work out; also that you should consider starting off slowly and thoughfully - but to at least start off. For example, this could mean going to a few shelters, or breeders (or however you usually find your pets), look around, pet a few dogs, and ask questions of the people involved.

Ultimately I think this will lead to a quick decision on whom you'll end up being 'dogfather' to - the advice is simply to start slow and thoughtfully, but then make a decision when it feels right. You don't have to drag out this thoughful consideration any longer than necessary!

Finally, I'd take other's giving you grief about your grief with a large boulder of salt. It's all too easy for them to 'sneak up on you' with their well-meaning advice, but really ... you don't need any more grief about this.

I'd be interested to hear how it goes, and if my imperfect advice was at all helpful.

Best, David
 

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Hi Mandarine, Liselle and Freeda (David) -- you are wonderful :)
When one is grieving and sad, one is (naturally) fragile and not operating with all cylinders. It's easy then to feel that advice from well meaning friends may have value, hence the push-tug I've felt (yes liselle, the holding back). But you're right,David, I need that kind of "grief" like I need a whole in the head; no one walks in my shoes.
I have been looking around, on the Net, shelters near me tend to only have BIG dogs. At some point in their lives, pets gets sick and I have to be able to carry them. Ergo, smaller dogs are better for me and those small ones waiting for adoption are a good drive away. So for the time being it's been look at the websites and, if one strikes me, ask for info. Ultimately, any dog that really grabs me through the screen I will have to drive hours to meet; adoption is a mutual deal, the dog decides just as much as I do. I can tell pretty quickly if a 4-paws is connecting with me or not.
Thank you, Liselle, for pointing me to Hilary's article. It so fits. Even fits the realm of animal protection and rescue in some ways. Loved the reference to Mother Theresa "we can only do small things with great love" - and I am in many ways the MT for abandoned and mistreated dogs. I'd love to adopt them all, I can only save one at a time and give it a happy life. And frankly, I think my dear departed big hearted dog would want me to open up heart and home to one of his mates, and maybe he'll point me in the right direction.
Thanks for "listening" and chiming in with your interpretations of my readings. It helped immensely. I feel lighter :)
 

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Hi Fellow animal lovers,

I stumbled onto an adult dog (nearly 6) on the web who caught my eye, not because he is stunning, which is isn't really, rather a Heinz 57 variety whose appearance is dominant corgi-golden (aka long and low and great tail), but because of some energies that reached out of the screen to me. Lots of pix and videos that give a sense of the dog.

So over the course of a few days, I asked Yi about him, figuring Yi would be more objective than I could be at this time in my life. Yi seems to have taken a fancy to him too as I understand these readings. Do you think my interpretations are (more or less!) right?

What should I know about him? 34 UC
He's the kind to stand his ground and has to learn the basics of the hierarchical organization in a household, everyone in their right place to live in happy harmony

Please tell me about his personality: 58.1 >47
If the resulting hex is the context, then it makes sense, though the dog is not "confined", he is in a host family,not a cage. If it is indeed the resulting hex, then I don't grasp the message about his personality from contented joyousness (he is happy in his host family) to confined... I'm never sure when to consider the resulting hex the backdrop or the outcome...hints???

How will adopting him affect my life? 52.3.6 >2
52.3 I've been stifling my feelings (uh, no, mourning the loss of my dog fully-- follows from 51, shock) and the nuclear of 52.6 is 40, release. If Hex 2 is the resulting and not the backdrop, then it makes sense -- having to observe and be responsive to this new dog, patience and receptivity are needed, check my commitment to follow this through,

What kind of canine companion will he be? 35 UC
How positive can you get??

I should be meeting him in 10 days or so.
 

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Hi flashlight, just to wish you all the best!
I can't really interprete the Yi oracle here, deciding for a dog, this is bonding, going with what you feel … you will see what it will feel like to meet this dog! Just trust yourself
Please let us know.
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Hi Mandarine,
Of course, the key is to meet the dog and assess mutual bonding :) And thank you for your support!
I posted the readings for a few reasons:
1. Interest to see what Yi had to say (readings for other animals were quite different!) about this one
2. Assess my interpretations (still learning, and learning most from feedback from others here
3. For once, ease at coming back with feedback whether the readings were right or not as I'll know in a couple of weeks how things pan out :)

He's being exposed to lots of animals at his host family. The cats there told the dog quite clearly he was on THEIR turf and to behave properly (good left hooks :) ) Hopefully, he will have learned to cohabitate warmly with felines. My cat is oh so gentle, she'd never sock him one if he was too much, she'd just go hide and not assert herself. She has lived with dogs all her life and clearly misses her elderly pal (who was raised by and lived with my previous - feral- catfor 13 years). A cat-smart canine would be great for her.
 

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"Cat-smart canines" - :D - I will have to remember that, thank you. (Being a cat person, those sorts of canines are greatly appreciated lol.)

Flashlight, was it you who had the terribly-complicated basement/foundation water problem? Maybe it was someone else--- oh, miracles, I actually found one (update: two!) thread about it and it was you.
https://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?22697-water-problems-at-my-house
https://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/fri...how-to-limit-damage-56-4-gt-52-and-59-6-gt-29

Maybe you posted somewhere else what happened (not pushing my finding-luck any farther haha), but believe it or not whenever I see your name on this forum I remember that nightmare and wonder it ended up. Has it been settled/fixed, I hope?
 

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Oh, I just noticed you added more readings to this thread.

What should I know about him? 34 UC
He's the kind to stand his ground and has to learn the basics of the hierarchical organization in a household, everyone in their right place to live in happy harmony
Might also tell you that he's healthy, strong, vigorous, won't have health problems? Unless "34UC" is a typo, your comment sounds exactly like 37. (In which case, I agree with what you said, he'll be a good "People/Dog in the Home".)

Please tell me about his personality: 58.1 >47
Here's something Hilary says about 58.
This is the promising beginning of conversation: not mere self-expression, but the capacity to listen and respond.
That sounds relevant, I think! :) Combination with 47, maybe that he won't be (overly?) rambunctious? An image for 47 is a confined tree, it can't grow upwards and outwards, so it has to grow down and in, and it finds value in that, doesn't feel deprived. So - applied to a dog - might mean he won't jump up on people or something like that. Another 47-thing is about being alone, so maybe it means he won't be anxious if you have to leave him at times. Is that relevant, could that be why Yi's mentioning it? (Edited: if that is, in fact, something Yi means - am only making guesses of course.)


How will adopting him affect my life? 52.3.6 >2
52.3 I've been stifling my feelings (uh, no, mourning the loss of my dog fully-- follows from 51, shock) and the nuclear of 52.6 is 40, release. If Hex 2 is the resulting and not the backdrop, then it makes sense -- having to observe and be responsive to this new dog, patience and receptivity are needed, check my commitment to follow this through,
Um...adopting him will affect your life in a "stilling's earth" sort of way...?

There are notes in WikiWing saying that 2 as the relating hexagram can mean things return to normal...

Maybe 52 could mean "stilling" in all the best ways? Not sure, though.

52.3 as an answer to "how will adopting him affect my life" doesn't sound great - you'll be pulled in two directions? Line 6 sounds better, but I don't know how to apply it.

A possibility for multiple moving lines is that they're different aspects - one line can mean what not to do, and another line what to do, in which case 52.3--- ah, maybe this, that adopting him will affect your life in that you won't be conflicted anymore about adopting a dog?

Maybe Yi's referring to the subject of your original post? 52 can mean not being affected by other people's ideas (as mountains aren't affected by anything).

Line 6, then... ... ... "great-hearted" can mean generosity... ... ... maybe it could mean he'll be a great-hearted dog? But you were asking how adopting him will affect your life, you asked several other questions about him. So I'm leaning towards this not being a description of him. Maybe adopting him will inspire feelings of "great-hearted stilling" in you? Whatever that could mean. Really just don't know what to make of this one.

Also, if Yi's being really literally responsive to your question, you asked how adopting him will affect your life, not how he will affect your life. Again, you did ask several questions along those lines, about him specifically, so maybe Yi's stopping with this answer literally at the point of adoption. And then - you will stop worrying about what other people think, you won't feel pulled in two, you will feel "great-hearted" again, filled with the generosity of opening your home to this dog... maybe. Not sure.

(Sorry for the rambling. Once again I fill great swathes of the edit box with streams-of-consciousness that I'm too lazy to edit :brickwall:)
 

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Hi Liselle,
What a great message! Love your stream of consciousness and glad you don't edit it out LOL!
Yup, I'm the one with the water at the house issues. Dealing with buck-passing and playing-dead administrations (its their rain water pipes!) is a real picnic. They think that if they handle it that way, I'll get tired and give up. Ha ha, Wrong. There is some progress: they finally after YEARS replaced the underground pipes. Now we have to deal with another set of pipes that are under my property without title and the question of who is going to pay to repair my cellars once the ancient walls dry. So, one part of the litigation done, two to go.

34 UC wasn't a typo and at nearly 6 and a megamut, I am told he is healthy and vigorous (but thankfully calm at home & learning to stay quiet when he has to be left alone).

Gosh it seems no matter how carefully I phrase questions to Yi, I have to be even more careful. When I asked how adopting him would affect my life,I was talking about the dog and not the process. I'm still not sure what to make of 52.3.6 either. Glad I'm not alone being stumped! What did you think about 35 UC as to the kind of canine companion he'd be?
 

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Yup, I'm the one with the water at the house issues. Dealing with buck-passing and playing-dead administrations (its their rain water pipes!) is a real picnic. They think that if they handle it that way, I'll get tired and give up. Ha ha, Wrong. There is some progress: they finally after YEARS replaced the underground pipes. Now we have to deal with another set of pipes that are under my property without title and the question of who is going to pay to repair my cellars once the ancient walls dry. So, one part of the litigation done, two to go.
Good grief. I'm glad there is some progress, but I was really hoping after all this time that it would be done. :hug:

34 UC wasn't a typo and at nearly 6 and a megamut, I am told he is healthy and vigorous (but thankfully calm at home & learning to stay quiet when he has to be left alone).
Yay! And nice that Yi's able to confirm what they're telling you, makes you feel you can trust them, probably.

Gosh it seems no matter how carefully I phrase questions to Yi, I have to be even more careful. When I asked how adopting him would affect my life,I was talking about the dog and not the process. I'm still not sure what to make of 52.3.6 either. Glad I'm not alone being stumped!
Wellll - this is tricky, I think. On the one hand, Hilary often says terribly fussy word-smithing isn't necessary for its own sake, as long as you're clear in your mind what you're asking (which is really important). On the other hand, if you were clear in your mind you were talking about the dog, not the process, then...I'm not sure what to make of the answer. On yet the third hand (let's switch to paws, maybe, there are more of those ;)), on the third paw, maybe Yi responded to the word "adoption" in your question anyway, because you'd already asked some questions about the dog? I'm not at all sure of that.

In my own mind I was able to connect with the reading best when I thought of it in terms of the adoption itself, but (a) it's not my reading, it's yours, which for several reasons really matters, and (b) interpreting readings is hard and I'm often wrong (even about my own, much less other people's).

I'll try to think about this some more if I have chance. Don't know if I'll have any other ideas though, lol.

What did you think about 35 UC as to the kind of canine companion he'd be?
Pretty much what you did. "The kind of canine companion you're lucky to find," maybe, something like that.

There might be something to be made of why Yi said 35 specifically, rather than a different but still "happy" hexagram. I mean, 35 has its own specific meaning. It's about being lucky to receive a substantial gift, but it's also about advancing, making progress, taking full advantage of the gift. (Oracle text: "Advancing, Prince Kang used a gift of horses to breed a multitude. In the course of a day, he mated them three times.")

Er, are you thinking of breeding him? That would be really literal.

Another guess-y idea might be something like, "He'll be the kind of canine companion that you will be able to take full advantage of." ...I actually like this, now that I've thought of it :blush:. Maybe it could mean that you, maybe moreso than some other potential adopters, will be able to make the most of this dog's gifts? And maybe he (the dog) will be able to make the most of yours? That's a really lovely thing for Yi to say (if it is what Yi's saying, of course).

Here's 35's Image text and what Hilary has to say about it, which is also a lovely picture of a dog and his human:
'Light comes forth over the earth: Advancing.
A noble one’s own light shines in her character.'

[Hilary's commentary] The light emerging over the earth is like sunrise. Just as the sun appears to be daily renewed and sustained by the earth, so the noble one’s light emerges from her character, which is the ‘earth’ she’s made of. Her inner quality, her willingness to give and receive, sustains the shining light in everything she does.

(Do you have Hilary's book? I really like it; highly recommend it.)




P.S. Any chance you could link to wherever his picture and videos are? Of course it's fine if you'd rather not.
 

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Thanks Liselle!!!

Ha ha ha ha ha ha! No, not thinking of breeding him. He's fixed anyway! Way too many dogs in shelters as it is. Plus he's a megamut (a "Royal Bourbon", ie from the Réunion, no two alike, and this one seems to have ancestors who were corgi and golden -- low on them there paws, should I get him some stilts?). As I said, not a drop dead gorgeous dog, but something just jumps out of the screen for me. Poor thing, in 5.5 years he's had 2 homes and 2 foster families. My cat had the same thing, but in 8 months time, so it took her a year to bond with me because she figured (human projection here) that she'd change zip codes yet again so why bother investing? But this dog seems to get attached quickly and strive to please the new master.

Yeah that 52.3.6 is a weird one. Not at all the same "vibes" as the other reading. Stumped.

His videos and pix are here and there:
https://www.facebook.com/pg/Associa...1/photos/?tab=album&album_id=2143953882583224
https://www.youtube.com/playlist…
The next to last video is hilarious!
 

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Oh he is so very cute!! :D Look at that magnificent tail. And giving a horse a kiss :rofl: And wriggling around on his back. (I like him. Even as a cat person lol)

Will you have to teach him English? Will he be a bilingual dog? How does that work?

What you're saying about his background - do you think that could be 52.6? Great-hearted stilling... because of your generosity and the general 35-ish-ness, he'll be home to stay, won't be passed around anymore?

I don't know. I really don't, about that reading. As you said, very different vibes from the others.(Which might be another reason for wondering if it was more about you and the adoption itself - which, come to think something else, will put the 52.3-ish "to wait or not to wait" to rest - and not so much about him.)

One more smidgen of a thought: those two lines of 52 are a bit separated, which sometimes carries meaning in itself, and one of them is a sixth line, which all by itself can feel "on the way out" of the hexagram, something at a higher level, beyond. Maybe line 3 is about ending your internal conflict, and line 6 could be about your life with him? Again, really not sure.
 

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Your speculations about that odd reading resonate with me. Or maybe it's just Yi grumbling "I've no experience with adopting household pets, why are you asking me????"

Glad you think he's cute! Yeah, his tail appealed to me, and what he does with his left ear too. Makes me laugh. All dogs wiggle on their backs, it's how they scratch that zone and outside, how they clean themselves. He needs to lose a few pounds LOL! Esp with those short legs. I hike. He'll have to follow. Hiking solo is b o r i n g; sharing it with a dog is fun.

All my animals are bilingual. They pick it up. Might take a bit longer with this one because he is the oldest I have adopted. Then again, communicating with a dog is much more about tone, gesture and body language, and learning to read canine body language. The last 2 or so years with my dog, he was deaf. We still communicated just fine, we read each other like a book and I always had associated a gesture with a word so it wasn't a problem.
 

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Yi is asked all the time about things it doesn't have experience with (or maybe it has experience with everything; I'm not sure how to think about that!) - anyway, I don't think Yi was grumbling at you in that way. The "worst" thing I can think of is that maybe Yi seized on "adoption" more literally than you intended, because you'd already asked a couple questions about the dog himself, but I wouldn't call that "grumbling."
 

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Perhaps it is how each of us, Yi included, is understanding "adoption".
For me, in how I asked the question, it is having this new dog at home - how will having this new dog at home affect my life - will he be calm or difficult and so on (and I've gotten used to the "freedom" of no early morning or late night walks, which is the only part of being a responsible dog owner that can sometimes be a pain!)
But if one is understanding it to mean "the process itself", then perhaps the Yi is speaking to the fact I've found the person I have to deal with to adopt from this group to be a bit difficult.
 

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For me, in how I asked the question, it is having this new dog at home - how will having this new dog at home affect my life - will he be calm or difficult and so on (and I've gotten used to the "freedom" of no early morning or late night walks, which is the only part of being a responsible dog owner that can sometimes be a pain!)
But if one is understanding it to mean "the process itself", then perhaps the Yi is speaking to the fact I've found the person I have to deal with to adopt from this group to be a bit difficult.

It could be (and I'm sorry to hear that). But, the reason we're considering that it might be about the adoption itself, the process, is mostly because that's how *I* found it easiest to relate to the reading - which is a terrible reason, because it's not my reading. Yi's not trying to talk to me. You and Yi are the only ones who really know: you understand what you're asking, and Yi understands the situation and how to answer you.

It might be good to make sure you really are giving equal weight to the readings or parts of readings that might seem a little "negative." I think you are doing that, but it's probably natural to latch a little more onto happy-sounding stuff.

Maybe another way to look at your second group of readings is, again, quite literally, but literally in a different way. When you asked purely about the dog himself, Yi said lovely things. That probably tells you he's a lovely dog. When you asked about you and the dog, which is a different sort of question, one of the things Yi said was 52.3. Why? (I don't know.)

I wonder if it might help to think about the 52 > 2 reading along with your first group, which were also more about you?
 

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Good point(s), Liselle.

My first set of questions were hypotheticals, I hadn't landed on this particular dog yet. And it's normal (even with potential dog identified) to feel some ambivalence or questions not having even met the mutt. Also, this is the first time I am adopting an adult, who clearly has been through a lot, seems well in his foster home and no one can tell in advance how he will adapt to yet another new (and this time permanent) home. The foster "mom" is quite adept at animals and she had to set him straight on who was pack leader the first few days. Once that was clear, things fell into place. It shows in the videos. My previous dogs I got as puppies, and even if they had had a lousy start in life (especially the last one), they were pups, with all that means.
So I asked Yi What do I need to know about how to interact with this particular dog?
49.1.2.5 to 32
That I will have to interact with it in radically different ways than my previous dog? That I will need to clearly (but gently!) establish hierarchy and makes things clear at the right time? A lasting revolution in both our lives. A durably rewarding challenge it sounds like!
 

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So I asked Yi What do I need to know about how to interact with this particular dog?
49.1.2.5 to 32
That I will have to interact with it in radically different ways than my previous dog? That I will need to clearly (but gently!) establish hierarchy and makes things clear at the right time? A lasting revolution in both our lives. A durably rewarding challenge it sounds like!

Did you mean how to interact with him when you meet him?

I'm reading WikiWing about 49 and trying to remember readings of my own that stuck out to me...it's said to be about things like seasonal changes (that's drawn from the Image), moving from winter to spring to summer, in accordance with natural laws. Or people simply moving from one phase of life to another, things like puberty, or finding that your interests are changing, things like that. (I had a reading like that once, about someone who was moving on in life from what she had been doing - this one took a while for me to understand, because Yi said 49uc while she was very much still doing the old thing. But within a year or two she'd gone a different direction - it could be the change had started, maybe just mentally, at the time I asked the question.)

Hilary often says, "change in governing principle." I think it's often something we don't have a lot of direct control over: it happens when, and because, it's time for it to happen.

It's also (metaphorically) the idea of trying on a new skin - putting on an animal skin to try to take on the qualities of that animal. I'm not sure that at 49 one has completely embodied and absorbed the change, though - I think that might be more like 49's Pair 50, The Vessel, where the actual transformation takes place and change is consolidated. Maybe it could be thought of as that's why you need the skin in 49, because there's still a difference between you and the new identity, you haven't fully "become" it yet, you don't know how you'll actually end up "being" with it.

32 - another member just explained to me in Reading Circle that 32 has a lot to do with the sort of periodicity found in planetary orbits - they keep going round and round, very predictably. It can be about our daily routines, habitual things we do every day.

So you have a combination of the two, and that's somehow the framework Yi's using to answer your question, and then the lines are specifics.

Line 1: 'Bound with yellow cow-hide.' (I'm quoting Hilary's translation.)

Hilary explains this one as being about shoes made of hide (it's the first line - first lines are often about feet). "Yellow" is significant - it's mentioned fairly often in the I Ching. Apparently yellow signified "earth," so it means being very practical, focussed on reality, down-to-earth. Hilary points out there's no omen in this line, Yi isn't saying if this binding-on of leather shoes is good or bad.

Line 2: 'On your own day, then radical change. That sets out to bring order: good fortune, no mistake.'

I think from what I'm reading that this describes a point where identifiable change has actually started. "The day has come," maybe, so to speak. It announces itself clearly. [Added: I just read what LiSe has to say about it, she makes a point about getting the timing right.]

Line 5: 'Great person transforms as a tiger. Even before the augury, there is truth and confidence.'

Tigers are the largest cats, bigger than lions. They have a lot of "truth and confidence"! "Even before the augury" - might be saying you'll end up not really needing advice?

How all three lines work together - something I'm rarely very sure of! Sometimes multiple moving lines are a recognizable progression, like a story, but not always. Hilary (unsurprisingly) has written about it. Here is her latest article on multiple lines, there's a link to an earlier article in the second paragraph.
 

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There is soooo much packed in your message, I am going to have to read it several times, slowly, to really dig deep into it. Thank you for taking the time to think about and then write all this.

More prosaically, I meant interacting with the dog on a daily basis, not just when I meet him. After 16 years, I am so used to my totally mutually trusting and complete understanding with my dog (who had not an aggressive or self defensive atom in his body), that I know I need to be aware of the signals I send to this new, adult-with-big-life-history dog from day one and be vigilant about being consistent -- like I always enter and exit FIRST before the dog and all those smart things to make sure the social hierarchy is right and the dog at peace with me clearly ID'd as pack leader. Never were issues with my departed dog. That's a radical change for me, but one that is both needed and good for all paws to live in happy relaxed harmony.

As to the meat of your message, I am getting bored/fed up with my profession LOL! And Jupiter retrograde is so much more forceful for me than Mercury retrograde -- everything is blocked , not moving, not the time to undertake anything really, time to prune and sort and figure things out. So your lines hit home, totally unrelated to dogs or cats!! To think it will be retrograde thru august and we are to have saturn retrograde too thru september. Yaiks, give me a break!

I'm going to get some sleep and read your message again in the morning and ponder. Thanks, Liselle :)
 

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Did you mean how to interact with him when you meet him?

I'm reading WikiWing about 49 and trying to remember readings of my own that stuck out to me...it's said to be about things like seasonal changes (that's drawn from the Image), moving from winter to spring to summer, in accordance with natural laws. Or people simply moving from one phase of life to another, things like puberty, or finding that your interests are changing, things like that. (I had a reading like that once, about someone who was moving on in life from what she had been doing - this one took a while for me to understand, because Yi said 49uc while she was very much still doing the old thing. But within a year or two she'd gone a different direction - it could be the change had started, maybe just mentally, at the time I asked the question.)

Hilary often says, "change in governing principle." I think it's often something we don't have a lot of direct control over: it happens when, and because, it's time for it to happen.

It's also (metaphorically) the idea of trying on a new skin - putting on an animal skin to try to take on the qualities of that animal. I'm not sure that at 49 one has completely embodied and absorbed the change, though - I think that might be more like 49's Pair 50, The Vessel, where the actual transformation takes place and change is consolidated. Maybe it could be thought of as that's why you need the skin in 49, because there's still a difference between you and the new identity, you haven't fully "become" it yet, you don't know how you'll actually end up "being" with it.

There are two levels at which I'm reacting to this this morning with my first cup of coffee.

The first is purely in the context of the question asked - what do I need to know about interacting with this dog? There is a radical change for me compared to the last few years with my departed dog where we didn't go on long hikes anymore, much time was spent in medical care, adapting what I did and how I did it to suit how he was feeling that particular day and so on. One of the reasons for an early adoption is to get moving physically more again. To craft a good relationship with this new dog who has history, I have to change my behavior and daily routine of the past couple of years. If I read the lines as a story (and considering your comments), and pretty literally,it can go something like this: (am I nuts here or?)

Line 1: Bound with yellow rawhide > put on those hiking boots!
Line 2: Your own day, so make radical change
And set out to bring order: good fortune, no mistake.' > go on a long hike and use that to start training the dog and build a rapport
Line 5: Great person transforms as a tiger.
Even before the augury, there is truth and confidence.' > the stressed out and untrusting dog starts to come into his own and shows what his big heart is capable of as he becomes, with confidence, able to start teaming with me.
Which also goes with your comment about 32, and routines.

For the past few years, I'd been thinking and wanting to do something useful with my dog (like being a visiting dog in hospitals and retirement homes etc.), he had the perfect personality for it but was getting on in years. Here, of course, everything is regulated to the max, you need licenses, to take a course, get certified. All that takes time and money (and the courses are not in my area), though of course the work afterwards is pro-bono. I am thinking of this with this new dog, if he proves to be or be able to become reliable, well educated, and with no chance of any aggressive behavior in time.

On another level, I've always wanted to earn my keep working with dogs. And the impulse has been growing stronger in recent years. I'm wondering if your take on this reading is speaking to this. I've always done it "unofficially", ie helping people educate young pups, or dealing with behavioral problems and so on. To do so professionally here, and I am nearing retirement age, is an investment of time and money over several years (and I still need to work, badly!) to then, again, have to build up a practice with clients to earn my keep. It sounds a bit out of reach unfortunately given where I am (age, resources) in my life, but it keeps nagging at me.
 

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This is all very interesting! :)

I have no idea what the specifics are meant to be - pretty much whatever you think it means, after rolling it all around in your head, is probably what it means, since as I said the only one Yi is trying to talk to is you.

Have you ever found that sometimes, especially with "bigger" readings like this (where it's not just "oh dear what do I do about this minute's crisis" lol) - you'll get more ideas, or different ones, a day or two or three later? (Weeks, months, years haha.) Sometimes not, of course.

Line 1 for putting on boots to go hiking with the dog makes sense, especially since you're saying it'll be a departure from the last few years with your last dog. (Now cats - cats allow their humans to be complete couch potatoes :D.)

Interesting ideas about training him to be a visiting dog, or you eventually making a living training dogs. I agree it's unfortunate that there's so much up-front expense to do either of those.

(I do hope you survive all the retrogrades in one piece! I don't keep up with astrology anymore - the wonderful freeware program I'd used for many, many years, Astrolog, won't work with my current laptop, or at least I don't know how to finagle things to make it work, and I haven't found a replacement.)
 

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This is all very interesting! :)

I have no idea what the specifics are meant to be - pretty much whatever you think it means, after rolling it all around in your head, is probably what it means, since as I said the only one Yi is trying to talk to is you.

Have you ever found that sometimes, especially with "bigger" readings like this (where it's not just "oh dear what do I do about this minute's crisis" lol) - you'll get more ideas, or different ones, a day or two or three later? (Weeks, months, years haha.) Sometimes not, of course.

Yeah, if my brain remembers I asked the question. That's the thing with Hashimoto's thyroiditis and adrenal exhaustion, your neurons turn into ONE neuron, memory and concentration go pshitt...

Line 1 for putting on boots to go hiking with the dog makes sense, especially since you're saying it'll be a departure from the last few years with your last dog. (Now cats - cats allow their humans to be complete couch potatoes :D.)

Yes, save when mine turns into a jack russell (usually after 11 pm). My departed dog never gave a hoot about the fetch bring back business. He'd look at me "have a nice time, I'll watch". The cat? She drops the item on my chest, I have to get up and toss, she fetches and brings back. Like a jack russell, for hours, they never get tired or have enough with the game. I know me, without a dog, I can go days without sticking my nose out of the house, busy as heck inside, but in hermit mode. Since my animals well-being trumps all, it forces me out and about to move & be sociable.

Interesting ideas about training him to be a visiting dog, or you eventually making a living training dogs. I agree it's unfortunate that there's so much up-front expense to do either of those.
Yup, and then building another business yet again, this time in the countryside where the client pool is rather small unless one wants to spend hours on the road. I think we can swing the visiting dog bit, if he seems suitable, that's pro bono work but rewarding.


(I do hope you survive all the retrogrades in one piece! I don't keep up with astrology anymore - the wonderful freeware program I'd used for many, many years, Astrolog, won't work with my current laptop, or at least I don't know how to finagle things to make it work, and I haven't found a replacement.)

If it's an OS version issue, you can download an emulator for your PC to simulate XP mode or MAC OS. That's worked for a number of my old programs. I'm a project oriented, forward looking person and like things to get moving. When there are planets that are all about NOT moving forward, I go bananas. It's like riding your bike into a brick wall again and again and again, no matter what you try, you get nowhere! I'm supposed to learn something from this... ha ha ...
 

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Yes, save when mine turns into a jack russell (usually after 11 pm). My departed dog never gave a hoot about the fetch bring back business. He'd look at me "have a nice time, I'll watch". The cat? She drops the item on my chest, I have to get up and toss, she fetches and brings back. Like a jack russell, for hours, they never get tired or have enough with the game.
A fetching cat, oh my goodness! Maybe I'll try that with mine. (Or maybe I'd be opening Pandora's box, who knows, but they're already used to being ignored when Sleepy Monster arrives.)


If it's an OS version issue, you can download an emulator for your PC to simulate XP mode
It might be the OS (I have Windows 7), or could it be because my laptop is 64-bit? Or maybe it's both?

Not that you're volunteering as computer consultant, but also, are the emulators resource hogs? I have problems as it is, with my existing multi-tasking habits...
 

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What were the system requirements for that software?
Once you know that, you can run a search for an emulator or virtual machine for Win 7 (lucky you, you still have that!! I'm trying to save myself from Win 10, but no new PC or laptop even comes with Win 8.1 anymore.) That usually takes care of the 32 to 64 bit nonsense too. Not that much of a resource hog (unless you have like 4 GO of RAM...), but probably wise not to be like me and have 7 programs running and 20+ windows open at the same time...
Lazyman option? grab an old (aka dirt cheap) pointless for anything else laptop for that precious software. I have an antique one that runs on Win 98 (gawd!) just for a few things .No security risk as I never connect it to the Net.

I never ever trained my cat to fetch. I'm not crazy. This is her bright idea. My former cat who lived to the ripe old age of 21 whom I nicknamed "Mohammed Ali Chat" because of his left hook played football. At least he did that by himself most of the time (clearly a leftie), he didn't need me unless I wanted in on the game. The fetch business requires a willing bipede... I also never trained my cat to be a water freak and to jump in the shower with me on occasion.. Folks think dogs are more time consuming and troublesome. Nah, piece of cake compared to my felines.
 

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Um. Well. Currently I have 8 things open (granted one of them is Notepad which barely counts, bless it), three Vivaldi windows (all for different reasons!), 23 tabs... my very innocent defense of myself is I'm not the one named it Windows. ;)

Thanks for the suggestions, will look into it. Glad to know it has a chance of working (I have 8 GB of RAM, whee).

I'll probably hold onto Windows 7 until the laptop breaks or Microsoft stops supporting it altogether, and by then they'll probably be on to Windows 11.

I liked Windows 98. I have Windows 7 set up to look as much like it as possible. Nice gray everywhere, none of this new-fangled glizty stuff bah humbug.
 

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I'm with ya'. Have win 8.1 set up to work like Win 7 (using Classic Shell). It's getting to the point I'm wondering whether I should switch to Ubuntu for my next laptop, just don't know if all my expensive professional software would work without at hitch. Scary to be so dependent on what one or two companies do, not giving a hoot about what users want and treating their privacy like a commodity (which it is now). Going to be offline for a few days, I'll catch up with you end of the week :)
 

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So I have butterfly flutters about going to get this dog tomorrow (normal adopter musings: will it go well? how will he deal with yet another change after getting attached and stabilized with this foster mom and so on and so forth). And it's only been a few weeks since 'the dog of my life' died... I asked the question that was niggling at me, my interpretation is rather different from the classic translations I've found here and elsewhere...
"How would my dog feel about my adopting this dog so soon after his passing?"
13.4 to 37
To me, it was like a hug, a blessing. People in harmony, people in the home, needing a wall (dog) to secure the home where I live solo in the countryside or my dog sitting on the wall watching all this from afar. Not at all the register that my dog's spirit is up on the wall and can't attack. Am I just reading what I want to read in this? Tough not to be influenced in one's interpretations, huh?
 

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Since your question was about your dog's feelings, I think I'd see it as something like him telling you he feels secure about his place in your heart and your life, and nothing can ever "attack" that. (I think it's still a hug.)
 

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