...Was I Ching repetedly wrong?

[missann]

You're welcome Lisa,

Yes, my supervisors had conspired prior to me contacting the union, although at that time it was just to get me to host an event neither of them wanted to host. I ended up hosting the event, which not only didn't turn out as badly as they thought, but turned out to be pleasant. But, that wasn't really my issue. I was disturbed by the manner in which it was done, and I also had to prevent Jane from abusing her position which she did constantly. I had only contacted the union a few times concerning her because I tried to "pick my battles" and not jump at every infringement and then look like a chronic complainer.

Jane's behavior was well known. She is a compulsive talker, has frequent screaming and crying meltdowns and would lie to get people she didn't like in trouble or fired. She (I found out) was telling her supervisors I was a horrible person, didn't give good customer service, wanted to be fired, all kinds of things, however, since they knew how she was they didn't react to her claims. Also, I had 26 years of excellent performance appraisals with every supervisor I had had and they relied on me for all of the graphic work (which really pissed Jane off because she couldn't do it). But, a little bit prior to this our director left and a person from within our department took over as director.

Still to this day, I don't know all of the dynamics behind what happened next, but I know Jane was an integral part of the chain of events that wound up with me moved from our site, a rental center near my home, working from 8am - 4pm as a graphic artist to a recreation center on the other side of town, from 1 pm - 8:30 pm. I heard (later) that Steve and other administrators were not in favor of the move, but the new director insisted on it. He and I had (I thought) a good relationship prior to him becoming director even though we didn't have much contact. I even had a meeting with him to ask him to change the move, before I found that he was in favor of it. BTW, I found out about the move the same way as before; a letter on my desk.

DUH!!!! something just occurred to me! It may mean the Yi is super prophetic rather than wrong!!! Although at the time I was asking Yi my question, I was referring to that incident and that period of time, but I will tell the rest and see what you think.

As I said, I was transferred to a rec center way on the other side of town, at night, I didn't have a car and rode public transportation to work. I had been robbed twice on my way to work in the daytime, so being out riding the bus and walking at night was literally taking your life in your hands. I was put in a job that I had no skills nor desire to do; all of which our administration knew. In fact, that was where certain people who they wanted to punish or to make quit were sent. I seriously considered quitting after 26 years of work. My sister gave me a ride until I could figure out what to do. As it turned out, my niece had purchased a new car and kept her old car for her son to use when he came of an age to drive. My brother, who is disabled, had been wanting to look for a car, but no one would take him out to the car dealers. So a win-win situation was worked out. He used her old car to take me back and forth to work and could also go look for a car for himself. I paid him for gas instead of buying a bus pass. So, although it was an awful situation, I at least had a safe, mostly reliable, way to get back and forth to work.

Wounded but riding a Strong Horse provided by people coming together. Whoa.

This raises so many questions and I have to look at this situation from a whole new perspective.

BTW, again, after about 10 months, Jane got moved to an different site. I got moved back to the site, with a supervisor I had before who I worked well with, doing my original job. She was PISSED!!!! That story is so convoluted it would take so much space to tell it.

 

[sooo]

No one is blaming, Lisa. And fault is your word, not mine. I most certainly can bop around and speak to readings as I see them. I don't preach anymore through my interpretations than you or anyone else. This happens to be one (8) that I see repeatedly "bopping around" and missing the point. It's always the other person who doesn't cooperate, who is mean, who is somehow wrong. Why would Yi repeatedly advise to hold together with those people? Even line 3, holding with wrong people, or in some translation, with "none persons", I first look for within myself, and more often than not, that is where they are found. Not always, but it's the first place to look, and look deeply and honestly, even sublimely.

Your example of being out of synch with the father is perfect, because if no matter how the question is phrased, the answer continues to be thrown back upon the person inquiring, as you pointed out so well in the first part of your last post, one needs to make an adjustment in their thinking, in their perception, because Yi will speak to that most often before speaking to a circumstance that is not being seen from the correct perspective. If I can't see well because I refuse to wear glasses, the Yi will point out my refusal rather than point to what is blurred. Those who have eyes and ears, let them see and hear, kind of thing. Again, you were right siting the examples from Wilhelm and Hilary. It goes back to the one whose nose is out of joint due to what someone else thinks, says, does or doesn't do. I can't change them, I can only get myself together and keep myself together, and then act or don't act from that central and correct position and perspective. Read again what you quoted and that's what you'll see. The source of oracle, first possessing a sublime and constant point of view regarding the matter in question. That comes not from outward to inward but from inward to outward - the source of vision: oneself.

Bopping on outa here now.

 

[Liselle]

Thank you for all the information, Missann .

I can see how the situation with transportation fits the readings, and horses in the I Ching are a metaphor for transportation. Was transportation in your mind when you asked, "What do I do now knowing that my two supervisors conspired against me?" It sounded (to me) like that question had more to do with your job and your workplace, rather than more personal matters like getting to and from work (though of course those things are related). And you did ask, "What do I do now..."[SUP][*][/SUP]

If that's what you think it means, then that's probably what it means. It's lovely when things click into place, isn't it?



[SUP][*][/SUP]Edited: Didn't explain very well. What I meant here was that I could see the question, and, moreso, the thoughts behind it, being something like, "[Oh no,] my supervisors conspired against me [to transfer me to the other side of town where I must ride the bus in unsafe areas at night]! What do I do now [about that]?!" and then Yi addressed the transportation issue, as Missann explained.

 

[Liselle]

Sooo, let's see what Casstone has to say if and when she comes back here and reads all this. You, I, and everyone else who's responded here know only a tiny fraction of the reality.

 

[Tohpol]

I've seen Yi try explaining things in a different way, when obviously the light bulb isn't going off for the person. And from what we know (and we don't know the exact readings), Yi didn't do that here. I really don't blame Casstone for feeling blindsided.

Just a few thoughts to take or leave ...

If knowledge and awareness isn't there to understand the readings given then there's not much that can be done - something we all experience as we move forward. The I Ching is rich with meaning at a profound level that often encompasses meaning that is outside the perception of the querent and may only be understood at a later juncture.I still scratch my head frequently. Then, I return to the reading perhaps a few days later and I suddenly get what the Yi was trying to say to me. The fault was always and entirely with me. I don't think the I Ching can be at fault in the way we would conceptualise it as a human teacher for instance, since I think it operates from a wholly different point in time-space and Being. (From the Higher Self or Oversoul perhaps?)

There can be confusion and lack of comprehension - that's the nature of studying the Yi for years in order to align ourselves to the teachings - it never comes easily. If indeed she was "blind-sided,"perhaps that was the nature of the lesson at this time. There are always things we cannot see at a time of conflict and challenge. Sometimes the only thing that the Yi and anyone else can advise is to "hold together" as we traverse through very rough terrain, which may be the case here.

The Yi, like any great spiritual teaching, doesn't always provide neat little answers for us to consume. It stimulates us to seek the answers within. At it's best, it is a guide, and all such guides don't spoon-feed. Our attitude and approach to the I Ching has everything to do with it, imo. But we can't be aware of that which we are not aware....

 

[Liselle]

I finally did take the time to read some of Casstone's previous threads. (I just read through what she wrote; I didn't try to get into the readings.)

Casstone says the father has been abusive towards Casstone and her daughter. Casstone said at one point that the father spews a lot of venom about Casstone to the daughter, including his suspicion that Casstone wants to take the daughter away where he could never see her again.

We certainly don't know what the truth is, but it might be helpful to know whether this judge heard that from the father, and whether it influenced the judge's decision about this vacation trip.

Again, I don't know what the truth is. It might be one thing to wish you could get yourself and your child away from the father, and another thing to actually do so, given the legal and logistical problems involved. I.e. it's one thing to try to take legal steps to get full custody, or reduce or eliminate visitation rights of the other parent. It's another thing to try to accomplish that illegally - most people don't take extreme, risky action like that.

 

[sooo]

Sooo, let's see what Casstone has to say if and when she comes back here and reads all this. You, I, and everyone else who's responded here know only a tiny fraction of the reality.

Let's let moderators do the moderating.

Also, do not tell me what I don't know. I know the title of this thread - " ...Was I Ching repetedly wrong?" I know that when someone receives a string of 8 readings that they are missing an important teaching from the IC, placing the emphasis on what they see outside of themselves. Placing the two of these side-by-side tells me all I need to know to render a fair interpretation of this. I also take Casstone's last question, where she requests to know what we as individuals think, and her closing statement to be on the right track, and I am merely encouraging that line of her thinking, and calling her out on the first, without tiptoeing around on eggshells. Sorry you don't like my style, Lisa, but it is my style.

What do you think? As for myself I've started to doubt the reliability of I Ching but on the other hand this might be a good occasion to gain a deeper insight on the book.

Indeed it might, Casstone. :bows:

 

[Liselle]

Sooo, what I meant by "we know only a tiny fraction of the reality," are (a) we don't even know what the exact readings were (just that they involved hex 8 a lot), and (b) we don't know very much about Casstone's actual life. Both of which make a difference in trying to interpret readings.