What happens in 2012?

[pakua]

Hi Gene,

"That whenever there is truth and justice, there are also lies and deception. Where men seek honest government, they will also seek dishonest government. Where there is directness and openness, there will always be furtiveness and sidestepping. As such, a conspiracy cannot help but exist. It is our natural lot in a polarized universe"

Completely agree... the rich will always plot and scheme to get richer. Every once in a while the poor will rebel. It seems to be the nature of physical reality.

Knowing that, what can I do about it?

 

[gene]

One thing I might say too, Hester, this is very similar to what David Icke is saying in his book about love being the only reality.

Gene

 

[gene]

Another interesting article.

Gene

 

[gene]

Whoops, forgot the link.

http://www.enterprisemission.com/tower2.htm

Gene

 

[hilary]

Pakua - you could get rich.

 

[gene]

Hopefully, this will be my last post on this subject today, and some of you are probably saying, "Thank God," Just some interesting history from the Reagan Era.

Remember the huge disagreement between America and the former Soviet Union on the development of antiballistic missile weaponry? I don't remember all the details, I have alzheimer's too you know, as did Reagan... but anyway...The soviet union was absolutely opposed, until, as Ronald Reagan said, "Suppose there was an invasion from outer space...." He promised to not only develop the antiballistic system, but to share the knowledge with the soviets. Why? purportedly to make the world safe from nuclear attack. But listen to his words? Was there another reason? "An invasion from outer space!!!" Immediately thereafter, the Soviets dropped their offense at the development of antiballistic missiles. Shortly thereafter, the soviet union became a thing of the past, superficially at least. Now, I can't back this up, but my source tell me, the satellite weaponry being placed in outer space, is not directed toward the earth, but into outer space! Why? Most of us have probably heard these words of the late President Reagan, but often we do not hear the followup words. "And indeed, they are already here!" I will let the reader make up his/her own mind about those words. 2002? If they are coming, and I am not saying they are...It will more likely be 2012. Or as found in the deciphered codes at Roswell, 2010. Or maybe not at all.

But listen to the words in the http://atlantisbook.com/
interviews. The federation apparently left, leaving a blockade around the planet, so the fallen angels cannot leave, until they come back! I honestly don't know how much of these details are true, or if they are coming back or not. The fallen angels, however, are here, ipso, facto. And we have to deal with them.

Gene

 

[bruce]

?you could get rich?

But then there?d be no-one to envy or blame.

Poor, good.

Rich, bad, even if they do contribute the lion?s share of taxes and welfare, fund grants and support charities.

Good/Bad ? straw dogs.

 

[gene]

And you ask again, "What can we do about it?" I have already answered that question. But some of you don't want to know anyway. You would rather remain in ignorance and sleep. Well, that is okay, but let me remind you, in a one world government, you will never be allowed to read or study the I Ching. Nor will you be allowed to read or study any supposedly sacred text. You will not be allowed to know anything about enlightenment. You will never have spiritual growth or gain in understanding. You will be taught and believe only what the new world order wants, and what they absolutely do not want is for anyone to become enlightened. But then again, many of you don't have a clue what that means anyway. Sounds a little like a form of hell to me. Reincarnate over and over again, with no chance of self discovery, no growth for the soul, and never, ever out of the trap.

With the I Ching we have a treatise on immortality, on enlightenment, on growth of the soul, on what it means to be a sage, on true physics....and yet we sit and read about relationships. Good Lord.

Gene

 

[ithaki]

Gene,

I guess this is a question on how you view 'enlightment' Is it a subject you can study for, get a PhD on, experiment with...? Or is it our destiny, something that can not be rushed or stopped by anyone or anything?

This not being such a rational subject, I guess I can pick which version I like best. I'll go with option number two, thanks! Have some faith on that divine spark that lies within.

And as long as we remain unenlightened, we will continue to be preoccupied with relationships and other worldly matters. Those are the things that make us human, the things that bind us together, that draw us to a forum and makes us type away...

 

[bruce]

You tell 'em, Gene!

 

[ithaki]

He is yelling sacred texts and she has no clue what it means?

 

[pakua]

"And as long as we remain unenlightened, we will continue to be preoccupied with relationships and other worldly matters"

even after being enlightened, as long as we stay in this world and mingle with others

 

[ithaki]

Absolutely, Pakua!
My bad!

 

[pakua]

I hope I'll still enjoy a ham sandwich after enlightenment comes

 

[micheline]

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And you ask again, "What can we do about it?" I have already answered that question. But some of you don't want to know anyway. You would rather remain in ignorance and sleep. Well, that is okay, but let me remind you, in a one world government, you will never be allowed to read or study.......<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

NO, you really dont answer that question, Gene...and once again, there is the feeling you are a taskmaster with a big stick, saying "WELL, you better wake up - OR ELSE!"

Well, let me tell you, no one ever "wakes up" because someone is standing over them with a scary stick and saying "you better! or, or, or -I'll take your i ching away!"

You know someone once pointed out to me that a man who loves porsches and spends all his free time loving, rebuilding and painstakingly re-finishing his porsche, racing it, building a separate garage for it, and polishing it with expensive soft rags, was probably doing as much good for mankind as any spiritual teacher, monk, yogi or active seeker.

Maybe more.

And why? because this guy who loves porsches is totally immersed in what he loves, he loses himself in this love, and he emanates great joy and passion by caring for his car. It is larger than his life. He is even willing to lose his life for this porsche, he would rather die in a race than live porsche-less and uninspired.

He has never heard of "enlightenment" and he certainly knows nothing of the dangers predicted for 2012.....and yet he is vibrantly alive. present. he is fulfilling a kind of inner destiny with which the whole world seems to sing along. If he dies tomorrow, he dies a happy man. He isnt disgruntled nor afraid and he is never found contemplating what he needs to do to "be enlightened". HIs joy is contagious. He is a joy to be around, to listen to when he talks about his car, even if you dont know anything at all about cars. He is simple, almost child-like and he is free , at least for those hours when his heart has wings.

So what to do about it all.....Find what you love with all your heart, and do it. Dont worry . be happy.

 

[bruce]

 

[matt]

Great words Micheline. And it is better to live the moment than live the future.

 

[bruce]

I just love the way people throw the word enlightenment around, as though it is something to grasp or attain, as though it?s the finish line in a race, as though all the obstacles and challenges expressed in the IC no longer apply, as though it is something other than living, like a plastic Jesus on the dashboard.

Transcendence is a perpetual process. Like the groove in a song: it?s good while you?re in it, and it?s real only when not making words of it.

 

[gene]

Why am I not surprised?

Well, live in your dream world. For now.

Gene

 

[hilary]

Thank you. Will do.

(I loved Micheline's post, too.)

 

[bruce]

Why am I not surprised?

How sad are those who?s words bring sadness, who?s fear brings fear, who?s vengeance draws vengeance upon everyone in their presence. The prophet of doom draws doom closer, the prophet of peace draws peace.

 

[heylise]

Micheline, Bruce, LOVE those posts!!!
Make me all over happy!

LiSe

 

[cal val]

Hi Bruce...

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Transcend what? In this statement, you've simply replaced 'enlightment' as the 'end result' with 'transcendence'. Transcend what? And why?

Love,

Val

 

[ithaki]

Leaving things behind (by going through them) is a perpetual process ..

Is that better?

 

[bruce]

Hi Val,

Transcend is what we do every time we self-correct using the Yi, for example. We raise above our subjective involvement to get a glimpse of the bigger picture. It isn?t synonymous with enlightenment, as enlightenment is most commonly used. Transcending is ongoing, rather than a one size fits all solution or spiritual ?attainment?.

 

[cal val]

Hi Bruce...

<blockquote>en?light?en?ment n.

1. The act or a means of enlightening.
2. The state of being enlightened.
2. Enlightenment A philosophical movement of the 18th century that emphasized the use of reason to scrutinize previously accepted doctrines and traditions and that brought about many humanitarian reforms. Used with the.
3. <u>Buddhism & Hinduism.</u> A blessed state in which the individual transcends desire and suffering and attains Nirvana.

enlightenment

n 1: education that results in understanding and the spread of knowledge [ant: unenlightenment] 2: (Hinduism and Buddhism) the beatitude that transcends the cycle of reincarnation; characterized by the extinction of desire and suffering and individual consciousness [syn: Nirvana] 3: a movement in the 18th century that advocated the use of reason in the reappraisal of accepted ideas and social institutions [syn: Enlightenment, Age of Reason]


transcendent

1. Surpassing others; preeminent or supreme.

2. Lying beyond the ordinary range of perception: ?fails to achieve a transcendent significance in suffering and squalor? (National Review).

3. <u>Philosophy.</u><blockquote>a. Transcending the Aristotelian categories.
b. In Kant's theory of knowledge, being beyond the limits of experience and hence unknowable.</blockquote> 4. Being above and independent of the material universe. Used of the Deity.

tran?scendence or tran?scenden?cy n.
tran?scendent?ly adv.
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transcendence

n 1: a state of being or existence above and beyond the limits of material experience [syn: transcendency] 2: the state of excelling or surpassing or going beyond usual limits [syn: transcendency, superiority]</blockquote>

I'll get more into the concept of transcendence next week. Hilary will understand, knowing that I've started reading the Puett book. In the meantime...

Speaking for myself (just to clarify that I'm not one of the 'we' in your previous post)...

I'm a lot more comfortable with the word enlightenment than transcendence. I experience enlightenment daily. I am enlightened every time I learn something... and I'm always learning. I've never believed the Buddhist or Hindu definition possible, so it's never been a consideration when I talk about my own enlightenment.

I don't transcend. And I don't use the Yi to self-correct. I'm quite content with my imperfect self (selves) and have no need to correct my self (selves). I use the Yi to try to keep to the middle path. I change course. I adapt. I grow. But I don't transcend. I won't transcend when I die either. I will leave my body, but I won't transcend. I will still be right here where I've always been.

Love,

Val

 

[bruce]

Ok, then don't.

 

[cal val]

Hi Ithaki...

I understand the idea of experiencing things fully and moving on and not trying to live in or recreate the past, but I'm not sure that's what you mean here.

The only 'things' I 'leave behind' are material physical things. I don't leave experiences or people behind. The memories, though they grow dim and fade with time, and the lessons learned are always with me.

The emotions that I feel during my experiences are done and finished when I feel and spend them... whether I feel them in the moment or stuff and defer them to spend later, but the memories stay with me.

Love,

Val

 

[cal val]

Micheline...

Btw... I loved your post... a lot. I am very happy for the man (or woman) who has something he (or she) can find so much joy in.

Thanks so much for sharing your story.

Love,

Val

 

[bruce]

However, my dictionary defines transcend thusly:

1. go beyond limit: to go beyond a limit or range, e.g. of thought or belief

2. surpass something: to go beyond something in quality or achievement

[14th century. Via French < Latin transcendere "climb over or beyond" < scandere "climb, mount"]