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I KNEW Bill was in on it!
What happens in 2012?
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My favorite was a story on the Science Channel.
A team of circle makers was tasked to create an elaborate circle, on film, in under five hours.
Biggest problem was a crowd of believers heckling them and throwing large rocks at their workers. Some of the rocks were big enough to kill or seriously injure. But they got it done anyway.
A team of circle makers was tasked to create an elaborate circle, on film, in under five hours.
Biggest problem was a crowd of believers heckling them and throwing large rocks at their workers. Some of the rocks were big enough to kill or seriously injure. But they got it done anyway.
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Would love to have seen them do that.
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i did that!! i did that!!
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and if you don't believe it, come watch!
doing it again!!!
i did that!!!
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Dancing space coyote! Of course!
Hello everyone
First, my sympathies for those in London who experienced the explosions this morning, and indeed, to all of England, and actually, all of the world.
As for seeing an alien, no, not that I remember... however, see the following. Well, forget that, this computer does not have a place to put a floppy disk. However, to make a long story short, as a child I experienced a cigar shaped wingless UFO in broad daylight, overhead. While wrestling with some neighborhood friends early in the afternoon, I suddenly blacked out. When I became aware again, it was about six o'clock in the afternoon. About three hours of time was missing, so I suspect I was an abductee. I have seen several things since then too.
Kevin, you are mostly right about not fearing the UFO's. While they are somewhat dangerous, abductions are somewhat rare, and you likely won't remember them anyway. But more than that, there seems to be a counterbalance group that attempts to stop this from ocurring as much as possible.
We really don't need to worry about anything. But there is a responsibility to our fellow man and ourselves, to maintain freedom and fairness in the world. Contrary to popular opinion, the illuminati are not all powerful, even with their knowledge and ability to create an illusion in the minds of most people. Their power is simply that, the ability to create an illusion. In order to carry out any military undertaking, they have to have willing foot soldiers. Do you think the foot soldiers would slaughter their fellow human beings if they didn't think there was some valid and moral reason for doing so? Some would, most would not. And especially when it comes to their own people. A few years back, the military leaders at the pentagon went around to the generals in the field at various military bases to ask if they were willing to fire on their own people. Most likely some would, some would not, but it depends a lot on their perception of the need to do so. The footsoldier is not going to fire on his own homeland people unless he is convinced there is some kind of threat. That is why awareness is so important. That is why I tell people this. Not to create fear, but to avert it. Avert it through awareness so that we do not have to go through it. But if these things make you fear, or anxious, that is exactly the kind of fear I was saying we have to deal with. Anyway.... George Bush Sr himself said, "If the people really knew what we have done, they would chase us down the street and lynch us." I am not advocating that or any kind of revolution or civil war. Simply be aware, then we can make choices that are right for us.
More later,
Gene
First, my sympathies for those in London who experienced the explosions this morning, and indeed, to all of England, and actually, all of the world.
As for seeing an alien, no, not that I remember... however, see the following. Well, forget that, this computer does not have a place to put a floppy disk. However, to make a long story short, as a child I experienced a cigar shaped wingless UFO in broad daylight, overhead. While wrestling with some neighborhood friends early in the afternoon, I suddenly blacked out. When I became aware again, it was about six o'clock in the afternoon. About three hours of time was missing, so I suspect I was an abductee. I have seen several things since then too.
Kevin, you are mostly right about not fearing the UFO's. While they are somewhat dangerous, abductions are somewhat rare, and you likely won't remember them anyway. But more than that, there seems to be a counterbalance group that attempts to stop this from ocurring as much as possible.
We really don't need to worry about anything. But there is a responsibility to our fellow man and ourselves, to maintain freedom and fairness in the world. Contrary to popular opinion, the illuminati are not all powerful, even with their knowledge and ability to create an illusion in the minds of most people. Their power is simply that, the ability to create an illusion. In order to carry out any military undertaking, they have to have willing foot soldiers. Do you think the foot soldiers would slaughter their fellow human beings if they didn't think there was some valid and moral reason for doing so? Some would, most would not. And especially when it comes to their own people. A few years back, the military leaders at the pentagon went around to the generals in the field at various military bases to ask if they were willing to fire on their own people. Most likely some would, some would not, but it depends a lot on their perception of the need to do so. The footsoldier is not going to fire on his own homeland people unless he is convinced there is some kind of threat. That is why awareness is so important. That is why I tell people this. Not to create fear, but to avert it. Avert it through awareness so that we do not have to go through it. But if these things make you fear, or anxious, that is exactly the kind of fear I was saying we have to deal with. Anyway.... George Bush Sr himself said, "If the people really knew what we have done, they would chase us down the street and lynch us." I am not advocating that or any kind of revolution or civil war. Simply be aware, then we can make choices that are right for us.
More later,
Gene
And Hilary
You asked me what I thought about the microchip. If I remember anyway. I am not sure how much and what kind of information you get in Great Britain, but let me tell you this. The microchip is already being planned. The DHSSm (Department of Health and Social Services) has already requested the funds and resources to first microchip the homeless people, to keep track of them, then later that will be extended to all people requesting social services. If you have children, and need food stamps to feed them, eventually you will be microchipped.
The law has already been passed in the United States for a National ID card. This is to be tied into a RFID. This is to go into effect three years after the date of passing, which would make it approximately June of 2008. At any point of sale, the NID card will have to be passed through. If you do not have it, you cannot buy or sell. (Sound familiar? "...no man may buy or sell save he had the mark of the beast") Three years from now all Americans will be tracked everywhere they go. Will those who refuse go to the concentration camps in the United States that have already been built? I don't know, but I suspect they will.
Gene
You asked me what I thought about the microchip. If I remember anyway. I am not sure how much and what kind of information you get in Great Britain, but let me tell you this. The microchip is already being planned. The DHSSm (Department of Health and Social Services) has already requested the funds and resources to first microchip the homeless people, to keep track of them, then later that will be extended to all people requesting social services. If you have children, and need food stamps to feed them, eventually you will be microchipped.
The law has already been passed in the United States for a National ID card. This is to be tied into a RFID. This is to go into effect three years after the date of passing, which would make it approximately June of 2008. At any point of sale, the NID card will have to be passed through. If you do not have it, you cannot buy or sell. (Sound familiar? "...no man may buy or sell save he had the mark of the beast") Three years from now all Americans will be tracked everywhere they go. Will those who refuse go to the concentration camps in the United States that have already been built? I don't know, but I suspect they will.
Gene
Apparently, the National ID is happening in Great Britain too. Or I mistook. I was pretty sure this happened in the United States though. See the following:
"The true purpose of widespread surveillance cameras is right before
us. The intention is to monitor behaviour and then define that
behaviour as criminal. Today it's dropping gum, tomorrow it could
be the way you walk. Remember Admiral Poindexters gait analysis
program? It studied the way people walk and their likelihood of
being terrorists."
- Manchester (UK) Evening News, June 7 2005
*** Big brother is coming...
- London Independent
...and sooner than you think. Identity cards will become reality
within three years as MPs voted to begin the process on Tuesday, June
28th, 2005. But why? What will ID cards mean for ordinary citizens?
Will they be weapons against terrorism, or sinister tools of the state?
Andy McSmith, Political Editor, looks into the (near) future.
This is not a scene from a futuristic movie: it will happen to you,
and it will cost you. One day, you will go to a government office,
such as the London Passport Office near Victoria, and be shown to a
reception area, where you will fill out a form, giving your name,
age, gender, postcode, and ethnic background. You will be ushered
into a booth, where you will face a hi-tech camera, which will speak
to you in a voice like a dalek's.
The machine will tell you not to grin while it scans your facial
measurements. It will instruct you to sit forward and watch the two
ellipses in the camera lens while it examines your irises. When the
machine has finished with you, you will put four fingers and a thumb
on a glass scanner, so that your fingerprints can be entered on a
national database.
When the visit is over, you will be the latest entry on the national
register, with your unique National Identity Registration Number
(NIRN), a piece of plastic like the one pictured on the facing page,
and an invoice for around GBP 100, or much more according to some
estimates. For the rest of your life, the Government will know who
you are.
Identity cards have been a talking point for so long that it might
seem like an idea that is never going to happen. In fact, it is
just a few years from becoming part of the way we live. On June 28th,
the government whips in the House of Commons roundeed up Labour
MPs to restart the legislative process for introducing ID cards,
against the combined opposition of the Tories, Liberal Democrats,
some of the smaller parties and at least a dozen Labour rebels.
The last attempt, before the election, ran out of time when the
House of Lords obstructed it, but Tony Blair is determined to see
the measure on the statute book before he leaves Downing Street.
This time, there does not seem to be anything to stop him. There
are plenty of Labour MPs grumbling, but the number who will vote
against the Government is small enough to be manageable, according
to the whips. If the Lords tries to block the legislation, the
Commons will use the Parliament Act to override it.
* From 2008 - unless Parliament proves more rebellious than expected -
it will become increasingly hard for anyone to avoid the expense and
inconvenience of obtaining an ID card. Anyone who renews a passport
or driving licence will be obliged to acquire a card at the same
time. The Home Secretary will have the power to specify that
certain groups of people - such as benefit claimants - must have
them. Using false information to obtain a card will be a criminal
offence carrying a two-year jail sentence. Anyone caught with a
fake ID card or any hacker caught trying to tamper with the national
register could face 10 years in jail.
Further into the future - unless the experiment is brought crashing
down by rising costs, computer failure and political opposition -
the whole population will be obliged to own one of these expensive
bits of plastic. And, for the first time ever, the Government will
have a complete and constantly updated list of everyone living in
the UK. If your name is not on the register, you will be liable for
a GBP 2,500 fine.
But what is it all for?
During the general election, Labour party canvassers had an easy
time selling ID cards like a medicinal compound. Whatever the worry
was - be it immigration, terrorism or crime - identity cards would
fix it. Opinion polls and canvass returns alike showed an
overwhelmingly positive public response. Michael Howard, the Tory
leader, saw which way opinion was blowing and ordered his reluctant
troops not to oppose ID cards. That helps to explain why, despite
being so enormous in its implications and so clearly laid out in
Labour's manifesto, the proposal received almost no national
publicity during the campaign.
There is some evidence now that popular support is falling away, but
it is a very long way from where it was in the late 1940s, when the
Labour government, under Clement Attlee, faced a middle-class revolt
rather like the recent protests over fox-hunting. Identity cards
had been introduced as a wartime measure, and it outraged
respectable citizens that they were still expected to hold them in
peacetime, in the days when George Orwell was writing 1984.
In December 1950, a motorist named Clarence Henry Willcock, the
54-year-old manager of a dry-cleaning firm, was stopped in north
London by PC Harold Muckle. There was no implication he was doing
anything wrong and he flatly refused to produce an ID card. PC
Muckle therefore arrested him. The case went to a Court of Appeal,
where the Lord Chief Justice reluctantly upheld Willcock's
conviction, but he added damningly: "The police now, as a matter of
routine, demand the production of national registration cards
whenever they stop or interrogate a motorist for whatever cause.
"To demand production of the card from all and sundry," the judge
added, "is wholly unreasonable. To use Acts of Parliament passed
for particular purposes in wartime when the war is a thing of the
past tends to turn law-abiding citizens into lawbreakers."
A few months later an incoming Tory government abolished compulsory
ID cards. They then became one of those totemic ideas favoured by
people with very hardline views on law and order, until 11 September
2001 made them a politically acceptable anti-terrorist device.
Anyone who has recently visited the United States is familiar with
the technology that instantly records visitors' fingerprints and
iris imprints. Visitors from the UK will soon be required to have
"biometric" visas, which will cost $100 (GBP 58) a time. In the
circumstances, Tony Blair believes, it makes sense to replace
old-fashioned British passports with "biometric" documents, which
will cost nearly GBP 80 each. Why not add a requirement to have an ID
card, for an extra GBP 15 or so?
"The true purpose of widespread surveillance cameras is right before
us. The intention is to monitor behaviour and then define that
behaviour as criminal. Today it's dropping gum, tomorrow it could
be the way you walk. Remember Admiral Poindexters gait analysis
program? It studied the way people walk and their likelihood of
being terrorists."
- Manchester (UK) Evening News, June 7 2005
*** Big brother is coming...
- London Independent
...and sooner than you think. Identity cards will become reality
within three years as MPs voted to begin the process on Tuesday, June
28th, 2005. But why? What will ID cards mean for ordinary citizens?
Will they be weapons against terrorism, or sinister tools of the state?
Andy McSmith, Political Editor, looks into the (near) future.
This is not a scene from a futuristic movie: it will happen to you,
and it will cost you. One day, you will go to a government office,
such as the London Passport Office near Victoria, and be shown to a
reception area, where you will fill out a form, giving your name,
age, gender, postcode, and ethnic background. You will be ushered
into a booth, where you will face a hi-tech camera, which will speak
to you in a voice like a dalek's.
The machine will tell you not to grin while it scans your facial
measurements. It will instruct you to sit forward and watch the two
ellipses in the camera lens while it examines your irises. When the
machine has finished with you, you will put four fingers and a thumb
on a glass scanner, so that your fingerprints can be entered on a
national database.
When the visit is over, you will be the latest entry on the national
register, with your unique National Identity Registration Number
(NIRN), a piece of plastic like the one pictured on the facing page,
and an invoice for around GBP 100, or much more according to some
estimates. For the rest of your life, the Government will know who
you are.
Identity cards have been a talking point for so long that it might
seem like an idea that is never going to happen. In fact, it is
just a few years from becoming part of the way we live. On June 28th,
the government whips in the House of Commons roundeed up Labour
MPs to restart the legislative process for introducing ID cards,
against the combined opposition of the Tories, Liberal Democrats,
some of the smaller parties and at least a dozen Labour rebels.
The last attempt, before the election, ran out of time when the
House of Lords obstructed it, but Tony Blair is determined to see
the measure on the statute book before he leaves Downing Street.
This time, there does not seem to be anything to stop him. There
are plenty of Labour MPs grumbling, but the number who will vote
against the Government is small enough to be manageable, according
to the whips. If the Lords tries to block the legislation, the
Commons will use the Parliament Act to override it.
* From 2008 - unless Parliament proves more rebellious than expected -
it will become increasingly hard for anyone to avoid the expense and
inconvenience of obtaining an ID card. Anyone who renews a passport
or driving licence will be obliged to acquire a card at the same
time. The Home Secretary will have the power to specify that
certain groups of people - such as benefit claimants - must have
them. Using false information to obtain a card will be a criminal
offence carrying a two-year jail sentence. Anyone caught with a
fake ID card or any hacker caught trying to tamper with the national
register could face 10 years in jail.
Further into the future - unless the experiment is brought crashing
down by rising costs, computer failure and political opposition -
the whole population will be obliged to own one of these expensive
bits of plastic. And, for the first time ever, the Government will
have a complete and constantly updated list of everyone living in
the UK. If your name is not on the register, you will be liable for
a GBP 2,500 fine.
But what is it all for?
During the general election, Labour party canvassers had an easy
time selling ID cards like a medicinal compound. Whatever the worry
was - be it immigration, terrorism or crime - identity cards would
fix it. Opinion polls and canvass returns alike showed an
overwhelmingly positive public response. Michael Howard, the Tory
leader, saw which way opinion was blowing and ordered his reluctant
troops not to oppose ID cards. That helps to explain why, despite
being so enormous in its implications and so clearly laid out in
Labour's manifesto, the proposal received almost no national
publicity during the campaign.
There is some evidence now that popular support is falling away, but
it is a very long way from where it was in the late 1940s, when the
Labour government, under Clement Attlee, faced a middle-class revolt
rather like the recent protests over fox-hunting. Identity cards
had been introduced as a wartime measure, and it outraged
respectable citizens that they were still expected to hold them in
peacetime, in the days when George Orwell was writing 1984.
In December 1950, a motorist named Clarence Henry Willcock, the
54-year-old manager of a dry-cleaning firm, was stopped in north
London by PC Harold Muckle. There was no implication he was doing
anything wrong and he flatly refused to produce an ID card. PC
Muckle therefore arrested him. The case went to a Court of Appeal,
where the Lord Chief Justice reluctantly upheld Willcock's
conviction, but he added damningly: "The police now, as a matter of
routine, demand the production of national registration cards
whenever they stop or interrogate a motorist for whatever cause.
"To demand production of the card from all and sundry," the judge
added, "is wholly unreasonable. To use Acts of Parliament passed
for particular purposes in wartime when the war is a thing of the
past tends to turn law-abiding citizens into lawbreakers."
A few months later an incoming Tory government abolished compulsory
ID cards. They then became one of those totemic ideas favoured by
people with very hardline views on law and order, until 11 September
2001 made them a politically acceptable anti-terrorist device.
Anyone who has recently visited the United States is familiar with
the technology that instantly records visitors' fingerprints and
iris imprints. Visitors from the UK will soon be required to have
"biometric" visas, which will cost $100 (GBP 58) a time. In the
circumstances, Tony Blair believes, it makes sense to replace
old-fashioned British passports with "biometric" documents, which
will cost nearly GBP 80 each. Why not add a requirement to have an ID
card, for an extra GBP 15 or so?
Well, I was kind of right about the U.S. Law too:
How Real ID will affect you
What's all the fuss with the Real ID Act about?
President Bush is expected to sign an $82 billion military spending
bill soon that will, in part, create electronically readable,
federally approved ID cards for Americans. The House of
Representatives overwhelmingly approved the package--which includes
the Real ID Act--on May 5th.
What does that mean for me? Starting three years from now, if you
live or work in the United States, you'll need a federally approved ID
card to travel on an airplane, open a bank account, collect Social
Security payments, or take advantage of nearly any government service.
Practically speaking, your driver's license likely will have to be
reissued to meet federal standards.
The House of Representatives has approved an $82 billion military
spending bill with an attachment that would mandate electronically
readable ID cards for Americans. President Bush is expected to sign
the bill. Bottom line:
The Real ID Act would establish what amounts to a national identity
card. State drivers' licenses and other such documents would have to
meet federal ID standards established by the Department of Homeland
Security.
The Real ID Act hands the Department of Homeland Security the power to
set these standards and determine whether state drivers' licenses and
other ID cards pass muster. Only ID cards approved by Homeland
Security can be accepted "for any official purpose" by the feds.
How will I get one of these new ID cards? You'll still get one
through your state motor vehicle agency, and it will likely take the
place of your drivers' license. But the identification process will
be more rigorous.
For instance, you'll need to bring a "photo identity document,"
document your birth date and address, and show that your Social
Security number is what you had claimed it to be. U.S. citizens will
have to prove that status, and foreigners will have to show a valid
visa.
State DMVs will have to verify that these identity documents are
legitimate, digitize them and store them permanently. In addition,
Social Security numbers must be verified with the Social Security
Administration.
What's going to be stored on this ID card? At a minimum: name, birth
date, sex, ID number, a digital photograph, address, and a "common
machine-readable technology" that Homeland Security will decide on.
The card must also sport "physical security features designed to
prevent tampering, counterfeiting, or duplication of the document for
fraudulent purposes."
Homeland Security is permitted to add additional requirements--such as
a fingerprint or retinal scan--on top of those. We won't know for a
while what these additional requirements will be.
Why did these ID requirements get attached to an "emergency" military
spending bill? Because it's difficult for politicians to vote against
money that will go to the troops in Iraq and tsunami relief. The
funds cover ammunition, weapons, tracked combat vehicles, aircraft,
troop housing, death benefits, and so on.
The House already approved a standalone version of the Real ID Act in
February, but by a relatively close margin of 261-161. It was
expected to run into some trouble in the Senate. Now that it's part
of an Iraq spending bill, senators won't want to vote against it.
What's the justification for this legislation anyway? Its supporters
say that the Real ID Act is necessary to hinder terrorists, and to
follow the ID card recommendations that the 9/11 Commission made last
year.
How Real ID will affect you
What's all the fuss with the Real ID Act about?
President Bush is expected to sign an $82 billion military spending
bill soon that will, in part, create electronically readable,
federally approved ID cards for Americans. The House of
Representatives overwhelmingly approved the package--which includes
the Real ID Act--on May 5th.
What does that mean for me? Starting three years from now, if you
live or work in the United States, you'll need a federally approved ID
card to travel on an airplane, open a bank account, collect Social
Security payments, or take advantage of nearly any government service.
Practically speaking, your driver's license likely will have to be
reissued to meet federal standards.
The House of Representatives has approved an $82 billion military
spending bill with an attachment that would mandate electronically
readable ID cards for Americans. President Bush is expected to sign
the bill. Bottom line:
The Real ID Act would establish what amounts to a national identity
card. State drivers' licenses and other such documents would have to
meet federal ID standards established by the Department of Homeland
Security.
The Real ID Act hands the Department of Homeland Security the power to
set these standards and determine whether state drivers' licenses and
other ID cards pass muster. Only ID cards approved by Homeland
Security can be accepted "for any official purpose" by the feds.
How will I get one of these new ID cards? You'll still get one
through your state motor vehicle agency, and it will likely take the
place of your drivers' license. But the identification process will
be more rigorous.
For instance, you'll need to bring a "photo identity document,"
document your birth date and address, and show that your Social
Security number is what you had claimed it to be. U.S. citizens will
have to prove that status, and foreigners will have to show a valid
visa.
State DMVs will have to verify that these identity documents are
legitimate, digitize them and store them permanently. In addition,
Social Security numbers must be verified with the Social Security
Administration.
What's going to be stored on this ID card? At a minimum: name, birth
date, sex, ID number, a digital photograph, address, and a "common
machine-readable technology" that Homeland Security will decide on.
The card must also sport "physical security features designed to
prevent tampering, counterfeiting, or duplication of the document for
fraudulent purposes."
Homeland Security is permitted to add additional requirements--such as
a fingerprint or retinal scan--on top of those. We won't know for a
while what these additional requirements will be.
Why did these ID requirements get attached to an "emergency" military
spending bill? Because it's difficult for politicians to vote against
money that will go to the troops in Iraq and tsunami relief. The
funds cover ammunition, weapons, tracked combat vehicles, aircraft,
troop housing, death benefits, and so on.
The House already approved a standalone version of the Real ID Act in
February, but by a relatively close margin of 261-161. It was
expected to run into some trouble in the Senate. Now that it's part
of an Iraq spending bill, senators won't want to vote against it.
What's the justification for this legislation anyway? Its supporters
say that the Real ID Act is necessary to hinder terrorists, and to
follow the ID card recommendations that the 9/11 Commission made last
year.
hilary
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I meant mind-controlling microchips. I've met people who believe in those. But I do agree that the present reality is quite depressing enough. Anyone know a good place to emigrate to?
If we're lucky, maybe we'll all be abducted.
(that was a joke)
Gene, I really want to know, this is a legit question: How do you know about the concentration camps you speak of? and where are they? Again, I am not challenging you, I would really like to know where this info came from?
(that was a joke)
Gene, I really want to know, this is a legit question: How do you know about the concentration camps you speak of? and where are they? Again, I am not challenging you, I would really like to know where this info came from?
What scary about this NID systems IMO isn't the currently proposed systems themselves but the potential for abuse later on.
Like if/when the data aren't just machine readable, but used to track your position via GPS. And if clever criminals or corrupt government officials hack the database to set people up for crimes - "proving" they did were at a certain place/time or made a certain purchase.
And isn't just a few rungs down the ladder from requiring we carry these things around to requiring they be implanted in us "for security"?
I'm not saying those things will happen, but it certainly seems like they could. And I don't think the current Chinese gov't would hesitate to enforce something like this on their population if the technology were readily available. Certainly North Korea's Kim Jong Il wouldn't.
So it is quite troubling... the technology is way ahead of the ethics. But then again I suppose it always has been. Sad...
- Jeff
Like if/when the data aren't just machine readable, but used to track your position via GPS. And if clever criminals or corrupt government officials hack the database to set people up for crimes - "proving" they did were at a certain place/time or made a certain purchase.
And isn't just a few rungs down the ladder from requiring we carry these things around to requiring they be implanted in us "for security"?
I'm not saying those things will happen, but it certainly seems like they could. And I don't think the current Chinese gov't would hesitate to enforce something like this on their population if the technology were readily available. Certainly North Korea's Kim Jong Il wouldn't.
So it is quite troubling... the technology is way ahead of the ethics. But then again I suppose it always has been. Sad...
- Jeff
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bruce
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Jeff, I agree with you.
So long as ?us verses them? is the dominating mentality among men, there will be abuses of human freedom, justified in the name of what each side deems as their rightness, typically endorsed by their God. So long as these divisions exist, governments will always seize the opportunity to impose restrictions of rights and invasions of privacy upon its citizens. It's for their own good, after all. Right.
In the words of Oliver Hardy, ?this is another fine mess you?ve gotten me into.?
So long as ?us verses them? is the dominating mentality among men, there will be abuses of human freedom, justified in the name of what each side deems as their rightness, typically endorsed by their God. So long as these divisions exist, governments will always seize the opportunity to impose restrictions of rights and invasions of privacy upon its citizens. It's for their own good, after all. Right.
In the words of Oliver Hardy, ?this is another fine mess you?ve gotten me into.?
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bruce
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We really are stuck. Our wars and divisions have become so insanely out of control. Right about now I can hear Gene saying, ?wars and rumors of wars?, which is a Bible verse. And it?s true. That?s the main thrust of world media fare: war. Well, war and crime.
How can anyone tackle the insurmountable task of reasoning with the world? It ain?t gonna happen. Not that way. So it?s not unthinkable that some catastrophic event occurs to completely shake earth?s human inhabitants to its core. Only shock brings focus, and it would take a big shock to get everyone?s attention.
Why would this happen? Well for one thing, earth-changing phenomenon has always happened. And it does seem reasonable that the Universe is self-correcting, that, if any of her kids get too far out of whack, a swift kick in the ass will get their attention. At least for a millennium. Then Mom and Dad can take a vacation and enjoy their Universe for a change, without worrying about their kids blowing themselves up.
How can anyone tackle the insurmountable task of reasoning with the world? It ain?t gonna happen. Not that way. So it?s not unthinkable that some catastrophic event occurs to completely shake earth?s human inhabitants to its core. Only shock brings focus, and it would take a big shock to get everyone?s attention.
Why would this happen? Well for one thing, earth-changing phenomenon has always happened. And it does seem reasonable that the Universe is self-correcting, that, if any of her kids get too far out of whack, a swift kick in the ass will get their attention. At least for a millennium. Then Mom and Dad can take a vacation and enjoy their Universe for a change, without worrying about their kids blowing themselves up.
I hope that some of you may by this time catching onto a basic principle. That being, it is not what I am saying that is producing the fear. What I am saying is only making you, and myself, aware of the fear that we already have. For it is the basic function of the ego to come from fear. Why? Because it projects out a world that is simply put, real and solid, but in reality only a hologram. It perceives that which is outside itself as not itself, rather an outside world, full of objects with no consciousness, that need to be navigated, manipulated, and controlled for a safe landing.
Nor is it the illuminati that makes us fear. Rather, it is our fear that creates the illuminati. And being created, that illuminati perpetuates the fear for that is simply what it feeds on. Therefore, fear creates the illuminati, and the illuminati creates more fear. And all we can do is become more aware of the vicious cycle. And in becoming more aware, we release the fear, and therefore release any fear of the illuminati or the reality of its existence. For we recognize it all as one. As God itself. And the "Blood of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" is simply the ego's murder, in its own mind, of the Christ child within. Pharoah slays the newborn. Herod slays the new born to get to the Christ child. The ego will shed blood in order to perpetuate its own illusion and fear of God. The Lamb is slain from the foundation of the world because it is the life of the universe that the ego slays, and makes it into hard cold unconscious matter. Then it does everything in its power to perpetuate that illusion.
Gene
Nor is it the illuminati that makes us fear. Rather, it is our fear that creates the illuminati. And being created, that illuminati perpetuates the fear for that is simply what it feeds on. Therefore, fear creates the illuminati, and the illuminati creates more fear. And all we can do is become more aware of the vicious cycle. And in becoming more aware, we release the fear, and therefore release any fear of the illuminati or the reality of its existence. For we recognize it all as one. As God itself. And the "Blood of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" is simply the ego's murder, in its own mind, of the Christ child within. Pharoah slays the newborn. Herod slays the new born to get to the Christ child. The ego will shed blood in order to perpetuate its own illusion and fear of God. The Lamb is slain from the foundation of the world because it is the life of the universe that the ego slays, and makes it into hard cold unconscious matter. Then it does everything in its power to perpetuate that illusion.
Gene
Gypsy
Have you ever heard of FEMA? (Federal Emergency Management Agency). They are the ones who were responsible for building the camps. I have heard from many sources that you can see them right off the highway when you travel through the state of Indiana.
Before I can say much more about this, you might check a few websites. Alex Jones's infowars.com comes to mind, or prisonplanet.com. There are many other websites that have the pictures of the camps.
Right now, the area where I live is under a tornado watch as Hurricane Dennis is heading our direction. Some of us, me included, have been asked to stay at work over night if the storm comes our way. When I got of the bus this morning, the weather was fine. As I got in the building it started pouring like crazy. There have been some tornadoes in the area in the last few minutes also.
Later,
Gene
Have you ever heard of FEMA? (Federal Emergency Management Agency). They are the ones who were responsible for building the camps. I have heard from many sources that you can see them right off the highway when you travel through the state of Indiana.
Before I can say much more about this, you might check a few websites. Alex Jones's infowars.com comes to mind, or prisonplanet.com. There are many other websites that have the pictures of the camps.
Right now, the area where I live is under a tornado watch as Hurricane Dennis is heading our direction. Some of us, me included, have been asked to stay at work over night if the storm comes our way. When I got of the bus this morning, the weather was fine. As I got in the building it started pouring like crazy. There have been some tornadoes in the area in the last few minutes also.
Later,
Gene
And now our rights to choose medical alternatives has been seriously curtailed. The big pharmacies have won a battle to have even vitamin sales seriously curtailed. CAFTA has left us in an emergency status with the ability (inability) to choose any alternative to the pharmaceuticals being offered by the drug companies.
Gene
Gene
I heard something about comets recently. Apparently they carry DNA material in their frozen core, and sometimes some of that material drops off and could make it's way to our planet. Some think that was the source for life on earth.
The aliens are us
The aliens are us
For those who are interested in what happened on 9/11:
http://www.unknowncountry.com/dreamland/
Gene
http://www.unknowncountry.com/dreamland/
Gene
Gypsy
Here is some information about the concentration camps:
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/camps.htm
Gene
Here is some information about the concentration camps:
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/camps.htm
Gene
http://www.metahistory.org/KarmapolisJLL.php
heads up for gene, any others in the house.
dar al inshaalha
heads up for gene, any others in the house.
dar al inshaalha
Thank you Hester.
I have gotten about halfway through, but want to reply while I still have the chance. I believe I have seen this before. If not, at least something very similar. I can't for the life of me understand everything that has been going on in history. Some of the details of our past are very sketchy, very sketchy indeed. But the overall pattern becomes very apparent when we review the ancient writiings. One thing in the ancient writings though, I find extremely explosive and accurate, and revealing is in the Book of Enoch. The judgment of the "fallen angels" is that they would reincarnate as men, and not remember who they were. (I am convinced though that a few do remember - at any rate, they remember a heritage given to them down the line.) This people who have become our world leaders are indeed of the line of the fallen angels often do not remember who they are, and are playing out a role subconsciously, that was programmed into them the moment they took the decision to violate intergalactic and natural law.
More in a moment.
Gene
I have gotten about halfway through, but want to reply while I still have the chance. I believe I have seen this before. If not, at least something very similar. I can't for the life of me understand everything that has been going on in history. Some of the details of our past are very sketchy, very sketchy indeed. But the overall pattern becomes very apparent when we review the ancient writiings. One thing in the ancient writings though, I find extremely explosive and accurate, and revealing is in the Book of Enoch. The judgment of the "fallen angels" is that they would reincarnate as men, and not remember who they were. (I am convinced though that a few do remember - at any rate, they remember a heritage given to them down the line.) This people who have become our world leaders are indeed of the line of the fallen angels often do not remember who they are, and are playing out a role subconsciously, that was programmed into them the moment they took the decision to violate intergalactic and natural law.
More in a moment.
Gene
Some of you have become a little angered perhaps, over my behavior of the last few months, and understandably so. I have acted in a way I would not normally act because the situation is so perilous, and there is a marked tendency among many of you to absolutely rebel against the truth, no matter how eloquently or how convincingly placed before you. It is like a child refusing to grow up. But if I criticize, it is not out of anger, but out of love. As Jesus said, "I judge no man, but if I do judge, my judgment is correct." Therefore any harshness directed toward me is of absolutely no consequence to me at all. I welcome the input, I welcome the feedback. But it does not change me in any way, or hurt me or discourange me. For I know the nature of reality. I know the truth. And I will tell that truth repeatedly. I will not deviate from the truth.
Many of you have very good, very good information on the I Ching. I love it. I love the value of this website, and I honor Hilary for not only creating, but perpetuating a website that is of so much use, and so much value to many people. There is a lot of love and a lot of work that goes into such a demanding project. My only concern is that, when you dig up good and valuable information, and begin to understand what it is all about, look at the spiritual side as well. Look at the underlying content, not just at the surface, that gives us info on careers and relationships. This is not the primary purpose of the I Ching. In hexagram 20 line four, this principle in the W/B version is very clearly delineated. The I Ching is to be treated as an honored guest, not merely as a tool. Yet that is what it is primarily being used for here.
Some of you are just simply not ready to understand that, and you do not understand the reality behind the meanings of the lines. No one can comprehend what their spirit has not been yet conditioned to comprehend. When the student is ready, the master will appear. But not until then. There is no judgement of that. There is no proper criticism of that, it is just the way it is. The God of the universe, the true God, the one that is not a person or a personality, but just the universal law of love, does not care if you are young or old. He/She does not care if you are wise or foolish. Does not care if you know or don't know. He/She simply loves. Pure and unadulterated love. It loves no one more than anyone else. No one less than anyone else, no matter what your crime, no matter what your belief...
Nevertheless, as Paul said, "awake thou that sleepest." And not just Paul, but Plato, and Lao Tzu, and many others. It is even in our folk songs, "Merrily, Merrily, Merrily, Merrily, life is but a dream."
When we wake up, we come to understand that life is just an ilusion. We come to understand that the world as we know it is just a dream that we have dreamed...
Anyway, and it is needful, especially now, that we stop putting our head in the sand, like the Ostrich, and pretending that reality doesn't exist, or that we can't do anything about it. To do anything else is to "Miss the mark" To not understand and comprehend the extent of the illusion. It is to misunderstand basic universal truths. The truth of the polarization of opposites that are really a unified whole. If we don't understand this basic teaching of the I Ching, of the unnatural division into opposites, we won't understand that there will always be polar opposites in every way, including political. That whenever there is truth and justice, there are also lies and deception. Where men seek honest government, they will also seek dishonest government. Where there is directness and openness, there will always be furtiveness and sidestepping. As such, a conspiracy cannot help but exist. It is our natural lot in a polarized universe. This should be basic kindergarten stuff for those who are engaged in spiritual activities...
"Awake, thou that sleepest."
Gene
Many of you have very good, very good information on the I Ching. I love it. I love the value of this website, and I honor Hilary for not only creating, but perpetuating a website that is of so much use, and so much value to many people. There is a lot of love and a lot of work that goes into such a demanding project. My only concern is that, when you dig up good and valuable information, and begin to understand what it is all about, look at the spiritual side as well. Look at the underlying content, not just at the surface, that gives us info on careers and relationships. This is not the primary purpose of the I Ching. In hexagram 20 line four, this principle in the W/B version is very clearly delineated. The I Ching is to be treated as an honored guest, not merely as a tool. Yet that is what it is primarily being used for here.
Some of you are just simply not ready to understand that, and you do not understand the reality behind the meanings of the lines. No one can comprehend what their spirit has not been yet conditioned to comprehend. When the student is ready, the master will appear. But not until then. There is no judgement of that. There is no proper criticism of that, it is just the way it is. The God of the universe, the true God, the one that is not a person or a personality, but just the universal law of love, does not care if you are young or old. He/She does not care if you are wise or foolish. Does not care if you know or don't know. He/She simply loves. Pure and unadulterated love. It loves no one more than anyone else. No one less than anyone else, no matter what your crime, no matter what your belief...
Nevertheless, as Paul said, "awake thou that sleepest." And not just Paul, but Plato, and Lao Tzu, and many others. It is even in our folk songs, "Merrily, Merrily, Merrily, Merrily, life is but a dream."
When we wake up, we come to understand that life is just an ilusion. We come to understand that the world as we know it is just a dream that we have dreamed...
Anyway, and it is needful, especially now, that we stop putting our head in the sand, like the Ostrich, and pretending that reality doesn't exist, or that we can't do anything about it. To do anything else is to "Miss the mark" To not understand and comprehend the extent of the illusion. It is to misunderstand basic universal truths. The truth of the polarization of opposites that are really a unified whole. If we don't understand this basic teaching of the I Ching, of the unnatural division into opposites, we won't understand that there will always be polar opposites in every way, including political. That whenever there is truth and justice, there are also lies and deception. Where men seek honest government, they will also seek dishonest government. Where there is directness and openness, there will always be furtiveness and sidestepping. As such, a conspiracy cannot help but exist. It is our natural lot in a polarized universe. This should be basic kindergarten stuff for those who are engaged in spiritual activities...
"Awake, thou that sleepest."
Gene
B
bruce
Guest
Gene, I read the Book of Enoch and Mystery of Enoch. Wasn't the great return or landing written there to occur on Jan. 3, 2002?
Gypsy
I little bit more about the information, where it came from. Some things I am not at liberty to speak about, as I have worked indirectly for some government organizations, and have heard, not a lot, but enough to know something is going on, from military leaders, as high ranking as general...
FEMA, (not exactly who I worked for, but close) is a civilian branch of the military, and has been involved in a lot of clandestine operations over the years. Another organization that has become very brazen over the last few years is the ATF. (Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms.) In fact, they were seen placing detonation devices in the Oklahoma City Building that was brought down allegedly by Tim McVeigh etc. It is a matter of public record that the ATF told their workers the day before the explosion, they did not need to come to work the next day. Funny they told no one else in the building...
I also get several emails sometimes on a daily basis from everywhere, giving me information on these things. Right now I have over a 1000 emails that I have not been able to read, some of them on these types of subjects. I have many more that I can only partially read, I just can't get to them. But I do get a lot of informations from many different sources...
Anyway, got to move on right now
Gene
I little bit more about the information, where it came from. Some things I am not at liberty to speak about, as I have worked indirectly for some government organizations, and have heard, not a lot, but enough to know something is going on, from military leaders, as high ranking as general...
FEMA, (not exactly who I worked for, but close) is a civilian branch of the military, and has been involved in a lot of clandestine operations over the years. Another organization that has become very brazen over the last few years is the ATF. (Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms.) In fact, they were seen placing detonation devices in the Oklahoma City Building that was brought down allegedly by Tim McVeigh etc. It is a matter of public record that the ATF told their workers the day before the explosion, they did not need to come to work the next day. Funny they told no one else in the building...
I also get several emails sometimes on a daily basis from everywhere, giving me information on these things. Right now I have over a 1000 emails that I have not been able to read, some of them on these types of subjects. I have many more that I can only partially read, I just can't get to them. But I do get a lot of informations from many different sources...
Anyway, got to move on right now
Gene