Who will be President of the United States?

[diamanda]

with H.C. looking on like some salivating vampire.

 

[canislulu]

Well, the story isn't over yet.

 

[canislulu]

http://fusion.net/story/324491/ralp...ign=socialshare&utm_content=theme_top_desktop

and another view: http://www.opednews.com/articles/Jill-Stein-Response-to-San-by-Jill-Stein-Jill-Stein-160712-385.html

 

[steve]

H.C. has lied under oath so the republicans are not letting that go, also some are trying to prevent her from getting a security clearance, I am wondering if they pay Trump off and put someone else in to steal the election. Its not over for H.C. they are going to keep coming at her, she has more enemies than ever before.

I was going to ask will H.C> be convicted of perjury or will she lose her security clearance, even if she won the whole term would be full of scandal. If i was a republican I would be making my move NOW.

Steve

 

[mirian]

I have just done a reading on the subject of who the next American president will be. But I didn't ask specifically about Trump or Hillary. Instead, I have asked:

Please describe the gender of the next American president.
Hex 8.3 >> 39

Interesting response: we are dealing with non-people. The gender, either male or female, is irrelevant. Whoever wins (Trump or Clinton) the presidency is just like a gigantic machine, with little human input and/or touch. The American president could as well be a robot. Of course, we could take line 3 as basically saying that neither are fit for the job, but I see the "non-people" aspect as giving a much wider perspective.

 

[Tim K]

But it does show the youngest son in lower trigram of the h39, doesn't it?

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[5 min later] Haha, found on wiki:
Trump was born on June 14, 1946, in Jamaica Estates, Queens, a neighborhood in New York City.
He was the fourth of five children of Mary Trump.

Vs. Hillary has two younger brothers, Hugh and Tony.

 

[Tim K]

I decided to ask about a gender too


16.3 → 62, This can't be a coincidence. The same lower trigram again.
(sometimes an attached pic shows up nicely, and sometimes it just says 'attachment' )

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A couple of readings for each candidate.
Trump wins? 43.6 → 1, 47.4 → 29
43 announce victory at royal court, .6 end of the hex/race, looks good.

Clinton? 46.5 → 48, 20.2 → 59
46.5 text and hex sounds more positive than 43.6, but it also says an ascent in steps, slowed down somewhat.
also 5th line is lower (in rating) than 6th in 43, and 2nd is lower than 47.4.

I think Trump is my favourite now

47.4 → 29 (Danger), Richmond:
A slow arrival, exhausted in a golden carriage.
Some humiliation but he arrives.
He's definitely loaded with gold.

 

[mirian]

Ah, very interesting the take on the young son. But ...

Trump wins? 43.6 → 1, 47.4 → 29
43 announce victory at royal court, .6 end of the hex/race, looks good.

I have a very personal bad experience with 43.6 when I ignored a few signs in a situation and fell flat on my face. I feel the trauma to this day This line can be deceiving when somebody believes that everything is going to be fine (when it isn't), which might apply to Trump now.

 

[Tohpol]

I have a very personal bad experience with 43.6 when I ignored a few signs in a situation and fell flat on my face. I feel the trauma to this day This line can be deceiving when somebody believes that everything is going to be fine (when it isn't), which might apply to Trump now.

That's been my experience too. I have never had a good time with this line. Not once. It's always been about a blind-spot in a variety of situations; always something I hadn't seen until too late and usually due to my wish to move forward regardless. So, I don't have good memories of 43 as a hexagram although it's been a great teacher in terms of will. But who knows? Ashteroid's angle might be the one.

I saw a triumphant Trump on the T.V. tonight revelling in it all. He's just as repellent as H.C. but just a different brand. I honestly don't know who's going to be tossed over the finishing line but I'd be packing my bags and emigrating before either of them makes an acceptance speech. Can you imagine the smugness? Obama was bad enough with "hope and change" bs, but this will reach new heights of artifice.

I have to say that I've been flip-flopping of late which chimp they'll shoe-horn. I'm veering toward Trump now I must admit. My original reading for whether Trump would go all the way - if I remember correctly - was 9.5>26. This combo might speak of a slow but sure alliance based on a gradual accumulation of support. That was then, so how about now?

My reading for this evening FWIW:

What's the likelihood that Trump will romp home to "victory"?

13uc

What's the likelihood that Hillary Clinton will romp home to "victory"?

16.1.2.3.5>43

I don't have time to dissect these readings right now but feel free if the fancy takes you.

 

[steve]

I believe from this reading Trump pulls it off , its doesnt surprise me, 16.1 suits clinton, 16.5 is not the best either, 43 I think is talking about the influence leaving, 13 on the other hand things come together. The democrats have played a game i think, and are really going to learn their lesson.
I think of the 13uc as the party unites or he unites what he needs to, even without the reading I cannot see how clinton can win.

I have looked at this without biased and from that reading I think Trump, i have yet to do my own reading but i get the feeling something is going to happen, example if the democrats finally reaise they will lose this they may do something drastic.

If the election were tomorrow, trump would win

Steve

 

[steve]

I just asked, Give me a picture of the next president of the USA, 25.4.6>3, This sounds like someone totally unexpected, who is waiting till the time is right. To me it sounds like Bernie Sanders, but that is virtually impossible unless something causes her ( Clinton) to step down, then by rights he would be the candidate and he would beat trump.

25.4 could be trump however i dont see clinton in this answer.

What do you think the lines mean? or is the Yi just advising me on asking,

This is a very fluid situation

Steve

 

[canislulu]

I agree that 25.4.6 > 3 sounds like Sanders.

He certainly would be the most Unexpected candidate to win the nomination.

25.4 --- He can remain constant to this goal.
25.6 --- Sanders has been waiting for the forces set in motion to take Clinton down. He did not abandon the Democratic Party to join the Green Party ticket as he is waiting to see what will happen at the DNC.

I asked "What about the Super Delegates switching their vote to Sanders?" I received H 60.1.2 > 8.

This week the Democrats are Seeking Union 8 in terms of choosing their candidate.
60.1 reflects Sanders choice to stay in the Democratic Party through the convention giving the delegates a chance to make an intelligent decision as he has a better chance of winning against Trump than Clinton and the DNC needs to face that reality.

60.2 says that it will be a pitfall for the Delegates not to change their mind.

The Yang operator is H 19 and the Yin operator is H 33. I believe the Super Delegates will Retreat from their support of Clinton.

 

[mirian]

As for Trump, I cannot see he winning. I have done a couple of readings for him so far and none of them suggest that he is going to be the next USA president. But what is really puzzling at the moment is that my readings do not confirm Clinton as the winner either. I have had hex 5 and hex 16 for her this week. It doesn't make sense to me since as far as I know Trump and Clinton are the only two in the scene, everyone else is out, I suppose. So there you go. Still don't know what is going on with Clinton's bid.

 

[steve]

Yes i see what you mean, my readings are the same as you can see above, however some others seem to lean towards Trump. Which I believe that clinton cannot win this election, if it comes down to Trump and Clinton.

However my reading is suggesting something unexpected.

Steve

 

[rosada]

Years ago in 2007 a psychic reader whose column I follow, predicted Obama would win - this was before anybody had even heard of him. Now this same reader came out with a prediction some months back that neither Trump nor Clinton would win. This was before there was any talk of a third party candidate. Now we're seeing the chaos in both Republican and Democratic parties...and talk of a third party candidate winning. Fascinating...

 

[steve]

Jill Stein says she can win with 12% i think she said, basically simply the student vote

Steve

 

[canislulu]

At this point I am thinking that Jill Stein is the more likely "unexpected"candidate than Sanders. It seems that the USA is allowing Mrs. Clinton to get away with a lot of criminal behavior.

Perhaps Bernie Sanders has known all along that he could never get the Democratic nomination. Perhaps he has been paving the way for Jill Stein.

 

[canislulu]

I asked, "What about the possibility of Jill Stein becoming the next President of the United States?" and I cast H 52.6 > 15. I worded the question in the way I did hoping for both a sense of the possibility of it happening and also for a sense of what her presidency could mean for the country.

When I saw the cast I wondered, like Steve did with his earlier question, if Yi was just advising me on asking. I think Yi probably is answering in a way that both speaks to what I am wanting to know and also advice on asking. My quick take on the reading is that Jill Stein win for president in 2016 would be good fortune. There would be a stripping away of the "old king" and a decision for something new in the U.S.

Rosada's post about the psychic's column gives me hope.

 

[steve]

She needs 15% actually to get into the debates, or poll at 15% I believe, something like that.

Steve

 

[canislulu]

I circled back to the beginning of the thread with the initial readings which were:

"Will Trump be our next President: 41.1-4
Will Cruz be our next President: 61.2.6-3
Will Hilary be our next President: 10.1.4.5-4
Will Bernie be our next President: 41.1.3-18"

I am now thinking of the answers as follows :

41.1 > 4 Offering of a Fool
10.1.4.5 > 4 Treading of a Fool
41.1.3 > 18 Offering of a Remedier

I view the second hexagram as a "relating", rather than "resulting" hexagram --- and I am not the one who cast the questions; the querrant would have a better sense of his own readings. But I thought I might bring the thread full circle as we now have the Republican and Democratic nominees (provided that Clinton will not have to drop out which I am thinking may still be a possibility.)

 

[Tim K]

I heard somewhere that several psychics from even medieval times (one from Spain I think), predicted that 44th president will be black skinned, but also that he will be the last one.
Some said that he will be assassinated but I don't know .. what's the point.

Maybe something major will happen to USA for real .. and maybe that is what Yi is pointing at.
Just my point of view.

Will there be 45th president ? 40.6 → 64
Killing a hawk on a wall (the ruler ?). Oh my.
But my thoughts were that people will get rid of the whole system of ruling elite/party, gaining freedom and moving towards a real demo-cratic, people-ruling society perhaps.

 

[steve]

Hey Ashteroid wow that is an interesting result, (forcibly removed) I see what this could mean, this works with my reading to a degree, something unexpected an event maybe, if something is forcibly removed then generally its done quickly. I am wondering if your reading is saying something is removed or needs to be, harden wickedness that is something that takes time, that does sound like the corruption possibly and the way the elite have settled in.

George Washington lets say designed the American political system so that a President should only serve two terms, so that corruption doesn't settle in. It appears that has been sidestepped and the elite have found a way around the system, the only way for the system to work again is for the elite to be removed or cleaned out. This corruption seems so bad to me that's its obvious. its not even being hidden, like when B.Clinton met with Lynch that said to me that he thinks everyone is a fool and he will do and say whatever he wants.

I have seen corruption in Australia, but there it tends to be on top like a dark cloud over a city but they get rid of it, or most of it then it slowly creeps back in. Then the process starts again, in this case this is deeply rooted for a supposed democratic society,

This election seems to be very strange to say the least, to be honest i have never watched any other election so closely, when tempers and passions run high weird things can happen.

What do you think 64 has to do with this? , the Fan Yao of this reading is talking about a new era.
The Yi i think answers us sometimes literally or sometimes metaphorically, I get both responses, and never know which I am going to get. If this reading is literal then its pretty freaky.

Steve

 

[canislulu]

On Unexpected thing that could happen would be that Bernie Sanders could decide to run with Jill Stein on the Green Party Ticket. This is more likely to happen if the people are able to get the Green Party on the ballot in all 50 states. There is a deadline for petitions to be filed to allow for this.

I asked, "Will Jill Stein (I meant the Green Party) get on the ballot in 50 states?" and received 23.6 > 2.

Could it be, "Yes, the Noble One, Jill Stein/Bernie Sanders, gets a cart?" Is the Green Ticket now a ripe fruit on the tree of hope? Will we choose to eat it?

Several states have upcoming deadlines for the submission of the petitions.

 

[Tim K]

Funny that you ask about 64, Steve.

I looked up my journal and found out that I made a second reading:

Will Obama be the last president? (no more after him?) 64.1 → 38
64 again , I take is chaos generally, as opposed to 63 perfect balance and order.
Could mean the corruption yes. imho the whole world is corrupt, not only USA or Australia, Russia too.

Wherever only a group of people decides the fates of others - the corruption and inequality thrives.
Add some resource/money into the mix and that's it.

64.1 Something will happen to the new candidate before the inauguration?
Creepy.

 

[steve]

Yes I am starting to think something will happen, for example if Clinton won and people believed it was rigged they would go totally ape, or anything that may trigger something, hard to know what the event is possibly or what event may take place, it may explain why everyone here is getting such wishy washy results. 64.1 for me has always been you are just about there, then wham something happens that sets you back, (event)
It is creepy as I feel i am getting more clarity now, lets hope we are wrong or if there is an event it is not so major.

Steve

PS another unexpected event could be that clinton cant pass the security clearance LOL, what then, Trump is going for his test very soon, i really cant see how she could, republicans would be up in arms at how she could pass, just another thought.

 

[loverofknowledge]

If Trump were to win, and try to implement what he has been promising, there would be a constitutional crisis. The military would be forced either to disobey Trump's orders or to violate the constitution, for instance.
His recommendations about the use of torture, and his recommendations that immigrants be deprived of due process under the law, among other proposals, would cause a huge civil crisis among judges, the police force, and so on.
Trump has also been saying things that would count as treason agains the US, if he were actually to follow through, or if he were in the position to be president, for instance, his comments addressing Russia and the recent conflicts.
The implications are quite grave, as people are now seeing. If it were to happen, I think it would be pretty much the end -- or at least a national disaster equal to the civil war.
The fact that even the most conservative financial backers in the US -- like the Koch Foundation -- refuse to give anything to Trump - and the fact that leaders of his own party publicly repudiate him, demonstrates that the the government, on all levels, would not cooperate if he were to be voted in.
So maybe the readings point to that. A severe crisis.
Of course, this forum is not the place for extended political discussions -- but in light of Ashteroid and Steve's discussion, I thought it would be worth mentioning.
[The Iching cast may be encouraging us to put attention on the real evil here, which is the Trump anomaly, -- the fact that a billionaire with no political experience whatsoever, who has little knowledge of foreign affairs or constitutional law, and no experience in government should be not so far from succeeding to become president. The Trump candidacy is on a totally different scale of disaster from what we've ever seen in the USA. I love the USA. Hope we survive!]

 

[steve]

Yes if I were in the US it would be an extremely difficult choice, i think I would be like most Americans, extremely disappointed with the choice, these two are most disliked candidates in American History,

Steve

 

[canislulu]

There is a quote from Dr. Cornell West in the following article which is interesting in light of ashteroid's cast:

"Will there be 45th president ? 40.6 → 64
Killing a hawk on a wall (the ruler ?). Oh my."

In this article, http://www.democracynow.org/2016/7/18/why_a_member_of_the_democratic
Dr. West says of Clinton, "She's a hawk".

And he explains why Clinton "neoliberalsim" is just as dangerous as Trump'a neofascist tendencies.

And Dr. West also says..."when you actually look at the mass incarceration policies, when you actually look at the reinforcement of the new Jim Crow and the segregation of our educational systems and so forth, that occurred under Democrats. It would persist under Hillary Clinton. What Donald Trump talks about in the abstract has actually been concretely enacted under neoliberal regimes of the Democratic Party."

Clinton may be more dangerous. She has already proven she is a militarist. Trump may not have the same co-operation in crime that she does.

I think this is the year that we will have a third party candidate come to the foreground and win.

My guess is that "shooting the hawk" won't be literal. I am still thinking she may be forced to step out of the race for some reason. And the Republicans may find a way to disable Trump.

(ashteroid posted 40.6 10 days after the article I linked to above was posted.)

With 40.6 --- Could Yi be saying, "Before the election of the 45th president a major elite contender will be "shot down". This will Deliver the country from it's ruling elite system making way for a leader of a more democratic, people-led nature." ?

 

[loverofknowledge]

Hi, you may be right, jumping mouse.
And I agree HC can be hawkish.
My understanding , however, is that Cornel West has recently changed his mind , on this point, now that Trump has shown his true colors, and the political party that supposedly supports Trump has basically repudiated him. As I understand, -- this was debated recently-- whatever you think of Clinton, she will abide by the checks and balances system, authorized by our constitution.
Trump is such a loose canon -- with no political experience whatsoever - that most everybody agrees that he could lead us into a disaster of unprecedented proportions.
I happened to follow Cornel West here, recently, (in his debate with some other thinkers) and I believe he has modified his positions. Anyway, sometimes CW states things provocatively to get people to burst through conventional ways of thinking and boundaries. You may be right though.

 

[Tohpol]

whatever you think of Clinton, she will abide by the checks and balances system, authorized by our constitution.

I'd be fascinated to know what led you to think there are any "checks and balances" at all, as I see no evidence that a) Hillary can be trusted to do or say anything honest, let alone hold the highest office in the land and b) that the U.S. constitution is actually operational and not on a life support machine - which I'm afraid it most certainly is.

So, I think there maybe a fairly hefty double assumption going on there that individual and system are working when they are both clearly broken in their different ways.