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Q: What do you think of Dennis?
A: 36.0.

Guess not, huh?
 

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Overall I'd agree with you, Calumet. I should point out though, that while I used to have an almost kneejerk bad reaction to 36, I've found over time that there are sides to it that aren't so extremely negative. For example the achievement aspect of line 36.3.

In this case though, I'd say you're probably on right track, given your particular vulnerabilities - you most likely need to exercise extreme caution if you don't just drop this guy entirely. Could be you've unconsciously gravitated towards "your type" (in the negative sense)...

My 2 cents,

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I should add, though, that there ARE other possibilities to this reading than the seemingly obvious one. Might be useful to reflect for a while on what some of them might be...

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I actually did this cast yesterday, and have had a whole 24 hours to contemplate it. The only way I can get something positive from it is to consider the advantages of continued hibernation. In other words, the problem isn't necessarily him; it's that I still need some time to settle.
 

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I think I read in a IC workbook that when you get hex 36 it indicates a darkness that you neccessarily need to go through, not around. I have always wondered about that comment. Evil in the path of evolution?

In general, it seems that 36 represents darkness and injury that can't be avoided. I got that warning about a co worker who usurped a client away from me in the most snake in the grass method. I had the warning from the get-go but I really could have done nothing to avoid it.
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"In other words, the problem isn't necessarily him; it's that I still need some time to settle."

A definite possibility, MHO; another is that he's simply not interested so you'd be "taking the emotional risk" for nothing. This might not be a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but could fit the 36 model.

And Pagan, agreeing with you that the negative experience is sometimes unavoidable. Not sure if it always/necessarily is, though. For example, 36.1 and .4 refer to escaping the danger in some interpretations. I think "unavoidable" might be the 36.5 "can't leave your post" case?

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"And Pagan, agreeing with you that the negative experience is sometimes unavoidable. Not sure if it always/necessarily is, though. For example, 36.1 and .4 refer to escaping the danger in some interpretations. I think "unavoidable" might be the 36.5 "can't leave your post" case? "

Refering to the thread 'Roots of I Ching Meanings - line position archetypes',maybe it could help to answer the doubts here.

101000 + 000000(H2)-> 101000 (no changing line)
101000 - 100000(H24)-> 001000 (1st changing line)
101000 + 010000(H7) -> 111000 (2nd c.l.)
101000 - 001000(H15)-> 100000 (3rd c.l.)
101000 + 000100(H16)-> 101100 (4th c.l.)
101000 + 000010(H8)-> 101010 (5th c.l.)
101000 + 000001(H23)-> 101001 (6th c.l.)
 

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Pagan, JTE: okay, we gotta talk. I'll quote Pagan to set the topic -

"I think I read in a IC workbook that when you get hex 36 it indicates a darkness that you neccessarily need to go through, not around. I have always wondered about that comment. Evil in the path of evolution? In general, it seems that 36 represents darkness and injury that can't be avoided."

I have to clarify what you meant by that. Did you mean that because Calumet drew Hex 36 in relation to Dennis, it means she *has* to go through with getting closer to the guy, with all the darkness and wounding and hiding out and difficulty that inolves. Surely not, right?

I'd say that *if* (and it's a big 'if') she chooses to get to know this guy better, it'll be an unpleasant experience, but that she's got the option to mosey off in a more gracious direction if she wants to.

See, I very often see loads of *potential* in the lines I draw. And if the line I draw is negative, that tells me that the situation is absolutely primed for a negative experience. But when I draw a line like that, I immediately try to change my tack, change my approach, using the indicators the Yi gives me. For example, if I draw 28.6, I do my best *not* to go any deeper into whatever the situation is that I think the Yi's talking about. In other words, I usually think what you draw in the Yi is avoidable. *If* you want to avoid it. Make sense?
 

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Hmm...

Looking at Dening, (who is especially helpful with relationship questions, IMHO), I wonder about the context in which you know Dennis? Is there someone else who is attracted to him who is in a position to cause you trouble if you step on their toes by approaching him?

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"I'd say that ... she's got the option to mosey off in a more gracious direction if she wants to. "

No argument here, Dobro. I see nothing that indicates she has no choice here. I think that is, maybe, the 36.5 situation specifically. The 36.5 commentary in W/B and Legge both seems to suggest that.

"...*if* ... she chooses to get to know this guy better, it'll be an unpleasant experience"

That'd by my default interpretation for this question/reading, I was just suggesting that there could be some other possibilities.

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I don't know Dennis well. We have a number of things in common superficially, including our sport, and I feel robust enough to have agreed to have tea and biscuits with him Sunday afternoon. I've got to start field testing my new jerk-detection software upgrades sometime, you know. I promise I won't propose to him; as best I can, I will hide my desire to sexually act out, as a shrink might put it (never mind how I would put it); and if I start to detect the least whiff of the control freak about him--say he hints that that I should order Darjeeling instead of Earl Grey--I won't hesitate to get up and leave.

Rinda, what does Dening say that brings up your questions? I confess I don't use her books.

My interpretation of this or any hex is that, while I'm stuck (or blessed) with whatever my situation happens to be at any given moment, it's my choice how to handle it. It could be that even my "decisions" are more determined than I care to contemplate, but right now I believe this: Fate deals the cards, and I decide how to play them. ("Thanks a bunch for the lemons. Now get lost, because I'm going to make lemonade, and I'm not sharing it with the likes of you.") By giving me a 36.0, the Yi recommends that I withdraw in some way. In this cast the idea of withdrawal was reinforced by the absence of changing lines, which made it a big, flashing sign saying WITHDRAW!!

As to what this hex means to me in this context, I am thinking of the historical allusions in good translations of it. I find myself doing this more and more, with every hex. Karcher's longer books give very good historical allegories, and Bradford's online translation also has some good ones. These stories help me think about my questions. In Hex 55 there's the story about Wu violating mourning traditions to lead his armies to victory against the Shang; in this hex, 36, there's the story of Jizi pulling a Hamlet (or maybe that would be Hamlet pulling a Jizi). The 36 simply reminds me that something is rotten in the state of Denmark, and that the thought foremost in my mind should be inviting Rosencrantz and Guildenstern to spend a few days at the castle.

Wait. That doesn't sound right. Maybe I should rethink the tea and biscuits. But I'm not sure I'm ready to let the Yi make decisions for me. I will, however, take careful note of strong cautions.

Thanks, all. I'll keep you posted. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.
 

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"I promise I won't propose to him"

Don't even kiss him.

"By giving me a 36.0, the Yi recommends that I withdraw in some way."

Not exactly. If the Yi had recommended withdrawing, you would have pulled Hex 33. Hex 36 is about keeping your light hidden from the very real possibility of injury here. It's a situation in which someone with real power is in a position (and has the attitude) to hurt you. Hex 62 is keeping your head down and attending to detail and smallness. Hex 36 is keeping your head down in the sense of smiling pleasantly at the fascist with the gun at the same time you keep your mouth shut about the fact that you hate the government and everyone who supports it - and all this so that you don't get shot.
 

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Dobro advises, "Don't even kiss him." I say, Rats!

And OK, if he pulls a gun--or even a knife--I'll smile, tell him that he and his many generations forward and backward are menschen, and then I'll get the hell out of there.
 

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With Hex 36, you don't have the option of getting out. You have to share space with the other party. And keep your light under a bushel.

You know, of all the lines in all of the hexagrams, Hex 36 is the one that most fundamental Christians would have the hardest time with. Jesus talked about hot hiding your light 'under a bushel', but that's exactly what the Yi recommends here.
 

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Hex 36 pairs with 22. Both deal with covering up. 36 is unconditional; 22 is conditional.

22 reflects (!) a facade that can draw attention away from looking 'inside' and as such protects inside and tricks outside.

36 is where there cannot be the slightest 'glimmer' - protection must be absolute, total hidding, uncompromising as 06 is compromising.

The skeletal form of 36 is 52, indicating a generic focus on stopping, blocking, quality control (discernment).

It gets it nourishement from 60 - imposing of limitations, standardisations etc

and so on.

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Chris, I never saw much inside/outside in Hex 22. Not so much facade (a facade covers a usually relatively shabby interior) as a complete focus on appearance. A concern with how things look rather than what things are on the inside.

I think that's why it's paired with 21 - kind of a polar opposite or complement - which bites through and gets down to the essence.
 

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Usually the second hexagram in a pair (a pair in the traditional sequence, I mean, Chris!) responds to the first or completes it in some way. I think 22 completes 21: 21 bites through to the essence, 22 expresses the essence. The idea being that there's scant point in reaching and knowing the essence if you can't express it in such a way that people can relate to it.

Of course 22 can go wrong - focus exclusively on the image to project - but then 23 ensues.

As for the original question and 36, I think 'Yikes!' sums it up quite well. Unless 36 were a character assessment, in which case he would be very busy putting up protective camouflage to fit with your expectations.
 

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Hi Dobro,

To understand the nature of yin/yang one needs at some time to focus on the method of derivation of hexagrams and that is through recursion. In that process the hexagrams traditionally numbered as 36 and 22 are a pair of 6-line symbols with 5 lines in common. Their binary numberings, as in their order in the binary sequence, starting with 000000 as position 1, are 41 and 42. The next pair to look at is the opposites of this pair, and that pair have the traditional numbers of 47 and 06 (binary positions 23 and 24).

I will stick to the traditional numbers from now on -- the pair of 36/22 reflect, as a pair, issues of covering-up - Wilhelm et al have emphasised 22 as 'beauty' etc but the intent is to beautify and so to 'brighten up' the exterior, to put on a facade, to draw attention AWAY from what is inside, what is behind the mask if you like. We dont 'beautify' for no reason - and the reason if not stated is implied, hidden 'inside' (and that includes genetic drives to make a nest etc 'attractive' for a possible mate etc)

The core trigram of fire reflects a boundary 'expanding' or 'focused upon' outside and so the sense of inside/outside (the same format is in water but the focus is on a boundary that contracts - and so protects as well as 'imprisons')

The relationships of opposites also give us clues to the 'meaning' of hexagrams - thus 22 pairs with 47 and 47 is also about enclosure, but of what is IN the boundary, contractive nature, rather than expansive, reflecting, nature of 22. IOW the focus of attention for 47 is within the bounds, for 22 it is on the outside of the bounds.

36 pairs with 06 when we focus on opposites where 36 is uncompromising, 06 compromising (the Wilhelm et al title of 'conflict' is poor when we focus on the nature of 06 as dealing with the 'enemy' by meeting them half way. No more, no less. In 36 there is no 'middle', the 'enemy' is forcing you to hide the light totally when interpreted from their perspective, and you are adviced to hide your light in a time when that light is not 'appreciated', no matter how 'useful' it is from your perspective)

To flesh things out further you will need to map out the 'natural' sequence of hexagrams and focus on that - FAR more informative than working with a derived sequence - IMHO ;-)

The orderings for the 'natural' sequence can be found in http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/icpoints.html or in the diagram of the hexagrams in that sequence - http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/DIAG1.gif

We can go deeper - by fleshing-out all of the expressions of the other hexagrams through 21 and 22 but that will be long, so lets take some snapshots:

The skeletal form of 21, the clay from which it has been built, the building prior to adding furniture, is described by analogy to characteristics of hexagram 16 and reflect a sense of foreseeing, planning etc (all done 'enthusiastically'!). Flesh this out and you get the properties we associate with 21. {the method to do all of this is has been presented and discussed on this list of late, and it is given on my website at http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/linemean.html)

The source of 21s nourishment is described by hexagram 01 - the singleminded, mediating 'drive' of 01 - it wont stop 'chewing' until the problem is solved.

and so on, covering 64 expressions useable to describe the nature of 21.

Now lets look at 22. The skeletal form of 22 is 15 - to fill things in, the difference here is that 15 uses filling-in to level things out, reduce highs and lows, but 22 'exaggerates' the method to emphasise the 'good' aspects, cover up the 'bad' aspects! (but also the beautification can be designed to sell 'modesty' as attractive)

The source of 22s nourishment is described by hexagram 61 - the soft core, hard exterior, the sense of internal 'softening' - and so the need to cover that up at times - paint the outside, make it attractive or threatening (the 'other side' of 22 that is often ignored!) ;-) - IOW what 'feeds' 22, drives itif you like, is the internal 'softness', even a sense of 'emptyness' at the core.

and so on, covering 64 expressions used to describe the nature of 22.


If you want to look at speculations about pairs in the traditional sequence, consider in that sequence the octet starting with 17 -

17,18 19,20 21,22 23,24 - belief issues (17-24 oppose)

These hexagrams, in the context of the traditional sequence cover personal belief issues - we can break these down into -

17,18 -- 23,24 (17 to 24, 18 to 23)

19,20 -- 21,22 (19 to 21, 20 to 22)

or look at the quartets of 17,18,19,20 vs 21,22,23,24

That particular sequence is DERIVED, is not the 'natural' sequence of yin/yang, and as such reflects a particular perspective - the I Ching is a language and so meanings form out of sequences. My page on the traditional sequence suggests that, due to the pairing, it has its roots in recursion but of a QUALITY, not line-patterns per se, more into rotations etc and the poles of the sequence, 01 and 64, suggest a focus on those qualities in general of PURE, INDIVIDUAL (01) vs MIXED, GROUP (64).

In THAT form of interpretation, 21 is like 01 (personal focus), when compared to 22 that is like 64 (group focus). See my old page http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/cracked.html - it is 'old' but it is the only page I have focused on the traditional sequence. - other than emphasising the fact that that DERIVED sequence is one of 4096 others! (see http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/icmatrix.html for some of the other patterns)

I assure you, you will get more insights out of the binary sequence than out of the traditional sequence - it will in fact aid you in understanding the traditional ;-) ... but I realise that if you have spent a lot of time on the traditional perspective it can be confusing to move away from it - perseverence futhers!

Chris.
 

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Hi Hilary,

I can see this vaguely - in my comments above note the focus on the 01/64 dichotomy associated with the traditional sequence - this means pairs and so covers the 01/02 vs 63/64 patterns.

01/02 cover 'purity', 63/64 cover 'mixing'. WITHIN each so 01 is pure, 02 mixed, 63 is pure, 64 mixed. I can see how the sense of 'X comples X-1' can develop, but in that case, 02 completes 01 but does 64 complete 63? unless we use reflection to read that end the other way and so 63 completes 64 ;-)

Have a look at the octet patterns in the link to the 'cracked' page where 22 is part of an octet focuses on personal 'foundations' whereas the octet is 'opposite' to the octet of:

41,42 43,44 45,46 47,48 - foundation issues (41-48 oppose)

Here the foundations are social, group oriented in general with the pairs reflecting the 01/64 bias.

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Hi Chris,
I have to agree with you that 22 is about a facade, and the best facade is one where form (facade) follows function, which is what 22 line 6 seems to be saying.

I agree too that 36 and 6 make an interesting pair. In 36 the 'compromise' isn't really a compromise, you retreat within the situation, and in 6, its not a compromise either, you call in a neutral third party because you can't win otherwise. In both 36 and 6 one has to wait for some kind of outer world assistance, in the form of fate or a neutral 3rd party, to bring change into the situation. I am curious to know in your methods of deriving associations, how hex 33 might play into the 36/6 pair?

In terms of your comments to Hillary, 63 and 64 do seem to pair up, because "done with one thing beckons the beginning of something new". I don't see 64 as a 'lack of closure' but rather, a new mountain to climb. You make it seem like in 64, one missed the end in 63 and oops now is caught out in the rain, lacking a way to bring an end to things. 64 seems to call to one for a new game. I am curious, in your method of deriving associations, what relationship would 64 have to hex 1 and to 24. And, if it isn't asking too much, what relationships to 1 and 24 have to one another?
P.
 
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All I want to know is : how did the tea and biscuits encounter turn out?
Is he 36 personified....shy? injured and hiding?
hard to get to know?
and, oh yeah, didja kiss him?
 

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I've stayed away from this board out of fear that Dobro would call Interpol and have me taken into protective custody. Also, I adore you all and appreciate beyond words your concern, but it was helpful to keep out of the discussion of just what 36.0 might mean in this instance. It was just tea and biscuits, for heavenssakes. Just a little scouting party. And yet I was obsessing, pacing the floor, and otherwise getting into a dither--all because of hex 36. Oh, if only there were some way of finding a good and decent partner, while not risking the pain and humiliation of yet another failed relationship!

The tea and biscuit encounter went fine. No, I didn't kiss him. I was on my very best behavior. There was a brief moment when his toes brushed mine under the table--that is to say, HIS toes brushed MINE. Shoes and socks on, though, so nothing much to get excited or alarmed about. His circumstances indicate that "shy and hiding" may describe him--separated 2 years, divorced 1; and while he's done a creditable job of starting over, he's had no girlfriends in the interim. I view that as a positive--I've had it with men who've run through 3 or 4 women and are looking forward to 5, 6, 7, and beyond. I can only hope that he doesn't view my string of bad relationships as the huge red flag it is. (I would be very leery of a man who'd had 3 girlfriends in 7 years, none of whom he was speaking to any longer.)

Anyway, I liked him. But still ... 36.0! Is he a wolf in sheep's clothing? Am I? Was the 36 a global warning, or is there some specific aspect of my light that needs to be hidden under a bushel? (I have a theory about this, but never mind for now.) Or is it simply too soon, is it that one or both of us still needs more time to calm down? My vote remains in favor of that interpretation.

At any rate, getting into a dither over a date for tea and biscuits is NOT a good thing, and I hope I don't do it again. I also hope I don't cast difficult hexes again for awhile. To repeat: Yikes.
 
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Happy it went well...and it sounds like it did....I vote for not asking TOO much, if at all, about potential dates/relationships..it is just too tricky and too likely to distort the first impression mechanism which is crucial ..IMO...
Dennis...
a quiet, reserved and nice guy, who takes his time...sounds like a robert redford...and i think robt redford is a 36 kinda guy....serious, reserved, a brooding dark side, but on the whole, the epitome of one cool sexily older dude.
 

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Hi Pagan,

If we compress the 'natural' sequence of hexagrams (000000 to 111111) into a matrix of 8 octets we get:

02 23 08 20 16 35 45 12 (earth base trigram)
15 52 39 53 62 56 31 33 (mountain base)
07 04 29 59 40 64 47 06 (water base)
46 18 48 57 32 50 28 44 (wind base)
24 27 03 42 51 21 17 25 (thunder base)
36 22 63 37 55 30 49 13 (fire base)
19 44 60 61 54 38 58 10 (lake base)
11 26 05 09 34 14 43 01 (heaven base)

The patterns of base trigrams for each row are repeated for each column but now as the top trigram (and so the columns go from earth to heaven top trigram)

06 and 33 share the right most column reflecting a shared focus on mediating, competing etc. For each row, the first position sets the 'archetypal' form and the rest the expressions as we add more energy. This reflects the 'big picture' relationship of 02 to 01 where that relationship of potential-actuals is reflected at the octet levels and all the way down to pair relationships. (e.g. 07 as a potential has 06 as the maximum actual within that octet).

Now, using the line-position perspective to look at the genotype/phenotype of a hexagram, the 06-ness of 33 is described by 46. Meaning that compromise/conflict expressed through, in, 33 is through increased entanglement, getting more 'involved', pushing upwards.

The 33-ness of 06 is described by 46. Meaning drawing the enemy in, enticing them, is done through increased entanglement, getting more involved, pushing upwards.

In the IC we describe 'all there is' and as such this is done through analogy/metaphor to the finite set of qualities we have for the resolution we are working with - 64 hexagrams - CONTEXT 'grounds' these universals such that 46 covers 64 possible contexts.

We can move to the dodecagram level where each row becomes 64 dodecagrams long, with 64 rows (and so 4096 matrix). We can compress these into a matrix of 64 moving-line hexagrams (2^12 is compressed into 4^6).

36 is not as 'negative' as people take it to be, where as we uncover it so it is maximised in 13 - associating with the like-minded. In 36, the POTENTIAL for such an association is there but not actualised, and so our light is 'hidden' to avoid the 'un-likeminded' ;-)

These patterns are all the way through - e.g. 11 reflects the forces of mediation as a potential, fully actualised in the competitive, 'always training', singleminded nature of 01.

In 24 the return to the 'true' path is ultimately actualised in the standing up and assertion of one's opinion/faith, without, or ignoring, fear of consequences - actions of 25.

In 02, the devotion as potential is actualised in the defence of that devotion as reflected in 12.

etc etc etc.

Due to the recursion so the patterns of the small are reflected in the big, as is the big reflected in the small.

As for 1/24, if we focus only on two groups, yin base and yang base, the 24 to 01 reflects the set of 32 yang based hexagrams and as such 24 as potential, 01 as maximum actualisation - IOW from the beginning of YANG expression to the maximum of YANG expression. The other relationship is for yin and is from 02 to 44.

As for 64, the focus is on (a) getting a sequence 'incorrect' - negative aspect, or (b) remaining open, avoiding closure to get more information (and so 'mixing' when compared to the pure perspective of 01)

Chris.
 

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Well for Dao"s sake Calumet, If I were you and reading all this, knowing what you know about yourself and the Yi readings I would be asking the Yi "what on earth has made me ask in the First Place," Perhaps your own insecurities play a large part? Interpertations are well and good and serve a purpose but for you, I think it is an exersize in frustration with all these answers. I would suggest you go with intuition as the Tao suggests and if it is within your nature and there are no moral conflicts do what feels Good.

My 5 cents worth. /Jer
 

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Jerry, your question is interesting. I don't ask the Yi about everyone I meet.

In general, I ask the Yi questions regarding matters of some importance to me, when I want a direction or focus for my thoughts. Sometimes I don't want to let my intuition run around unsupervised. Also, I think that using the Yi is fun. Am I allowed to say that? I don't mean that I regard the Yi as trivial in any way. (Is fun trivial?) But it is immensely satisfying to imagine, however obliquely--and in my case I imagine it VERY obliquely--that an Uber Force stands ready to render an opinion on things that matter to me.
 

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Calumet, I do not believe you allow your intuition to runaround unsupervised, I do believe you have an aversion to taking your intuitive advice and acting on it. I do allow fun to have a place and is not a trival experience for the most part but it (fun) can be allowed to become a henderance in decisions if it is allowed. Imagination is the basis of most of human thinking and should never be seen as trivial or a henderance as long as you do not try to live within it.

I guess my objective in my response earlier was to find out if any of the responses were of any value over and above confirming what you already knew?

I have many times ask questions of the Yi and paralleled its responses with my own feelings. I have countered these answers with other sources of devination and found inverably my psychics and close friends see the situation clearer from afar than I do close up. I have been a believer in the dualities of positive and negative in all things and living in the imbue of both as much as possible. You will find your muse and soul mate are one and the same. Good hunting.

:)>)Jer
 

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Jerry, I drew the 36.0 after I'd spoken to the guy just barely long enough to agree to meet again--10 or 20 minutes' worth of conversation. When I asked the Yi what it thought about him, I'd already decided to meet him for tea and biscuits. I asked the Yi what it thought of him, and I guess that its response was denying something, in a sense. I read strong caution into the response--the need for self-protective camouflage--which gave me plenty to think about. So yes, in that sense added quite a lot that I didn't know, or rather hadn't considered.

Happy hunting is, in this case, an oxymoron. Meeting people and dating cause anxieties and bring out vulnerabilities that only a crazy person would enjoy. But thanks--I'll try to enjoy it anyway.
 

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"Anyway, I liked him. But still ... 36.0! Is he a wolf in sheep's clothing? Am I?"

Yeah, good questions. Well, you drew 36 in response to 'What do you think of Dennis?'

There are two possibilities. One is that the Yi thinks that Dennis is the sort of guy who, for you, produces Hex 36. The other is that you carry all this stuff around inside you and that although Dennis is an alright kinda guy on most scales you'd care to mention, that he'd trigger stuff in you that makes the situation Hex 36 for all practical purposes. The former: Dennis is a Hex 36 kinda guy. The latter: when you're with Dennis, it elicits in you a Hex 36 kinda experience.
 

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We all carry some baggage from one situation to the next and those who say thay dont are the ones to watch out for. IMHO/Jer
 

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