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"Flaming beauty consuming the present, is mounted on flames consuming the past. Sunshine hides to rise again. It hides in the logs to flame again. It hides in the grass, in the salad, in the silos, in the cow, in the steak, and it flames up again as mind in the beings. The flame is not feeding on fuel, it is or was the fuel, sunlight mingled with water and wind."
"The hexagram SYNERGY is composed of the trigram, LI, dependence, doubled. Dependence below, furthering and co-operating with dependence above, will bring clarity to the situation. In an unchanging form, you must concentrate upon aligning the many elements in your life into synergetic accord in order to fully comprehend and control them. Goals, loved ones, career, and health : Do they all work together ? Do they relate ? Do they further one another ? By achieving inner clarity, you bring enlightenment to the world"
They don't seem so baffling to me. Both partners were dependent on the other's fuel, flame to flame. Dependence burning each other out. I think I have seen 30 as addictive propensities. Hexagram 30 is also called 'clinging' somewhere isn't it ? 'Clinging Fire', . Fire sure clings ! So this can be a healthful dependence or the flipside a clinging voracious fire of an addiction.two questions about inexplicable long-term relationships. One was a friend of mine who had this ongoing, TERRIBLE relationship with a guy, they were in a constant state of FURY with each other for something like 12 years. I asked about them and got 30uc.
Another time I asked why in the world I had stayed working for the same guy for over 20 years when our relationship, while not as bad as the one above, was somewhat fraught and I hadn't been happy at the job for years. Also 30uc
Maybe--that does make some sense. But I feel that if things had been all that clear, we would not have been (in both cases) so STUCK together. In fact, in both cases we were pried apart only by lightning strikes--I was pried out of that job by a stroke of astonishing good fortune, and that relationship ended when one half of the couple died in a car accident. The unchangingness of 30 in that situation did have a clinging feel, like a cycle you can't break out of. I think it's Wilhelm who calls 30 The Clinging, isn't it?Unless you and the ill-matched couple were in the process of becoming aware, and not able to do anything with it/ find any alternative? Maybe a sort of glaring intensity - all devastatingly clear, and nowhere to go?
there was a discussion about family trees involving 4 generations and it was amazing how patterns appear clear , how "debts" are create and how "obligations" to pay them also. You can see the 29 patterns in the previous generation , how the pass down to the next ones and how this patterns play out in our present sometimes again and again till we "consume" them.In both those relationships it almost seemed like something karmic was being struggled through--or if not karma, then we had somehow fed into each other's psyches to create this inextricable perpetual motion machine of flame feeding flame feeding flame. (Or maybe that's karma!)
Yes, Wilhelm it is. When something fitting comes to mind, that generally seems to be where it's from.Maybe--that does make some sense. But I feel that if things had been all that clear, we would not have been (in both cases) so STUCK together. In fact, in both cases we were pried apart only by lightning strikes--I was pried out of that job by a stroke of astonishing good fortune, and that relationship ended when one half of the couple died in a car accident. The unchangingness of 30 in that situation did have a clinging feel, like a cycle you can't break out of. I think it's Wilhelm who calls 30 The Clinging, isn't it?
Yes. They're like 63/64, just a different way to combine the same trigrams. (There's a beautiful trigram-mirroring pattern surrounding them, too.)i try since yesterday to recall any experience re 30. Its very weird because I have no clear recollections- feels like something is consumed in the process.
The idea I have for 30 is "live lives on life" and the image of a burning phoenix. There is a transformation happens in 30 not in the ways 49, 50, 59 describe. Also it feels like the epitome of interdependence - again not the ways 8,45, 3 etc describe.... What is the spirit of 30 is not yet clear to me.
The net bring in mind the modern illustrations of networks - the nodes (knots) and the links between them.
I found this particular part extremely intriguing. I think Knot is into something here. Can't tell yet what but there is something there.
there was a discussion about family trees involving 4 generations and it was amazing how patterns appear clear , how "debts" are create and how "obligations" to pay them also. You can see the 29 patterns in the previous generation , how the pass down to the next ones and how this patterns play out in our present sometimes again and again till we "consume" them.
Double water , double fire appear at the end of part one Of Yi. I wonder if there is a special significance as it is a duality resembles the heaven/earth one. There is something alchemical in this pair and it feels like you reach at the edge of the world and there is a gap and have to jump to the next one... like the 63/64 pair.
So 30 uc ? I looked for experiences and don't seem to have many. Where I have listed 30 as an answer, the questions I posed were asking for predictions for fairly unlikely scenarios, they were somewhat whimsical questions. What my questions had in common was that they were not especially connected with my present reality. I don't know what to make of that...except if I look at Wing's words below I might see that I needed to ask myself how connected up the topic of my question was with the actual context of my life. For example...if one asked "will I win an Oscar ?" this might be a fairly floaty kind of question if one were not an actor ! (I didn't ask that but BTW but the questions were a bit floaty, a bit unhinged or remote from the context of my life)
Maybe it's that I needed to see , see what fuelled, and sustained my existing existence for such a question to have a context.
No, neither of those. I just meant the only journal entries I had for 30 uc were answering questions that seemed remote from the actual context of my life.I need your help here to understand.... was like looking for a meaning or understand WHY that clinging with whatever was your question about ?
I think it is the same for everyone. That is it seems our recollections aren't terribly clear...or even if they are it's still open to question how 30 appliedi try since yesterday to recall any experience re 30. Its very weird because I have no clear recollections- feels like something is consumed in the process
Er, yes. Oops, sorry. I was making test logins by the dozen, testing some especially recalcitrant forms for Flow of Change, and managed to post as one of them.Either Devoutly is Hilary or Devoutly cleaves so closely to Hilary's writing style they are impossible to prise apart.
Yes, I think this is true.Seems there is an embedded ambiguity in this gua, maybe the gap between the lines. Seems that some hexes create an energy field with specific traits... in memorizing threads has been observed too. That 'separate" and " cling" of 30 causes some confusion .. maybe its the trouble and the solution at the same time so one can make his own mind.
well except in my cases where I saw 30uc as a sort of confirmatory answer--I felt that lightbulb someone mentioned go off, asked yi to comment on my understanding, and got 30uc. In those cases I took it as a sort of "you are seeing clearly" confirmation, and that has seemed to play out correctly.hexagram 30 as an answer to a specific question we asked doesn't seem to lead to 'aha' moments....it's not immediately recognisable as an answer in the situation
I like thatLuis Andrade Says:
December 1st, 2008 at 6:58 pm
The light that’s visible on water is a reflection of fire.
The moon is visible only because the sun sheds light over it.
29 is longing; 30 is fulfilling.
30 traps while 29 is the giving medium that goes through it.
29 needs the heat of 30 to keep its state and thus it clings to it.
Still, they must, as in a dance, balance each other lest they change each other’s nature.
Water is a kind of sublimated fire while a kind of fire is imploding water.
29 and 30 are symmetrical together.
Which I think brings up the nature of my relationship to my manager in the 30uc reading as well. Because I needed the job, 30uc was important in helping me navigate his bad reactions that week by yielding to higher values. However, I didn't want to work there after that and he ultimately lost my respect. In a different situation, because mistakes are unavoidable, if he'd given me the opportunity to discuss things and work together on making changes, I would have wanted all the more to stay there and be part of his team.The text of the hexagram Li highlights that humans must cling to what is righteous and nourish the docility (i.e. submissiveness) of the cow, i.e. not only to cling to what is righteous but also be submissive in clinging to it. Therefore it is advantageous (or appropriate) to persist (in righteousness); (which will lead things to) smooth progress. To herd (i.e. to put together, to feed and make them grow stronger) the cow, (which is) auspicious.
For me, it related to a work situation. I'd made a mistake at the end of the prior week which caused my new manager much grief over the weekend stressing over how it made his department look. I'd had to initiate conversation with him at the beginning of the week because he was giving me the cold shoulder and not talking to me. At least he was willing to have a conversation though when I approached him and he even admitted he found out from his supervisors that what I had done was no big deal. Due to his damaged ego though, it resulted in my being required to write an formal apology letter later that week to him and his supervisor. The saving grace for me was the other staff members rallying around me like family during the week and even helping me write the letter.
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