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Thinking of the pair 43/44 I currently see it in unchanging form, very crudely, asBe present in the world
43 - Speak up but stay on yourself
44 - Go forth and multiply
While I can see in hindsight 43uc has at times indicated a clear choice about what to leave behind, there have been other times I have been pretty much flummoxed by it as an answer. Mostly when I can't decide !Deciding forms a pair with hexagram 44, Coupling :
'Coupling means meeting, supple meets firm.'
Deciding means breaking up, firm breaks up supple.'
Hexagram 43 has five firm unbroken lines pushing out a single supple open line. They embody an assertion of identity that breaks through indecision. In Hexagram 44, the single open line finds it's way back.
So it's stating your case clearly for yourself to yourself/others. Reading around Maria said somewhere perhaps it was a decision made through process of elimination. You decide what does and does not belong with you.The great power in the lower trigram, CH'IEN, strength, stimulates and brings to fruition, TUI, openness and words, above. Receiving this hexagram without change indicates that whatever your inquiry, the true struggle is within. Make a verbal RESOLUTION to throw out old opinions and experiment with new ideas. Only through determined, steady, open progress will change come.
two reading the last month for two different issues. oscillating between A and B . Asked Yi "what needs to be done" just in case I was given a hint towards which direction to move. Answer; Plain, unchanging 43.43 uc always seems pretty stark to me. Decide !
Yes you said maybe trying to make a choice by a process of elimination....I think this idea holds some truth. The last time I got 43uc about going out with someone it was a case of thinking through the things I wouldn't be able to do if I went.There was a thread sometime ago with un 43 and a woman trying to decide. Will try to find it and plug it here. Was it where I said elimination ?
two reading the last month for two different issues. oscillating between A and B . Asked Yi "what needs to be done" just in case I was given a hint towards which direction to move. Answer; Plain, unchanging 43.
.I don't keep a diary of my readings so I don't recall other instances atm. one of the one's i mention had to do with a reason vs passion thingy. I have a little problem tho with Wilhelm's idea on reason vs passion. I understand how passion and emotions could blur our capacity to decide but I don't fully agree. Will elaborate that later because I have experience the same "conflict" many times . I guess W/b talks about the negative aspects of pathos
This is all very well but if one's question has nothing to do with speaking out at all, if your question is not about asserting your identity/message, then how do you see it ?LiSe's Speaking Staff scratched my itch from 43. It's not mandatory of course to speak; sometimes silence speaks most clearly, but speaking from ones inner authority, without getting offensive or overly emotional pretty well sums it up for me. Also the timing involved is an important element, when to speak as well as how to speak. What to speak is up to you, it's your seal or staff.
could be because of Tui ? it perplex me Wilhelm thoughts about "passion" but what sooo said- not be emotional makes sense as stick to the facts - or like the sword you brought - a clear cut. Feels more like inner negotiations , because when you speak out you are not in a negotiation mode you just "say it" you inform.I have never thought anything about reason v passion in 43...so that's new to me. Can't see where Wilhelm gets that idea from.
(oh and Hilary's latest Blog post happens to be all about the 'noble one' and what that means....which apparently is a different concept to the 'great person' apparently http://onlineclarity.co.uk/answers/)'Lake above heaven : Deciding.
A noble one distributes riches to those below.
She dwells in power and virtue and also shuns things'.
A lake above heaven is a cloud : sharing the blessing of rain, and always pure, never in contact with the mud. the noble one's generosity is like this: a pure, inspired expression of her character, without ulterior motive. She gives and also knows what to stay away from.
Yes, you're right...surely being crippled by indecision is a symptom of fear of assertion of what one wants. I mean we can be so afraid we don't even know what we want sometimes. At the point of 'yes' or 'no' there can often be that sense of paralysis. Maybe Yi is saying 'be brave, make your choice'.anemos
Perhaps 'speaking out" could be taken figuratively too as if you have to "announce" to your self the decision, make a declaration in some fashion and assume responsibility; be assertive, perhaps. Maybe this is what holds us back from saying the final yes or no or whatever...
The king's court it resembles a "meeting room" where decisions are made but in practice, which are those reaches one distributes and who are "those below" ?A noble one distributes riches to those below.
That makes a lot of sense - the inner negotiations You allow all the parts to talk . Was wondering however, if anyone can share any experience involving that offering to the external world... or its the mere contribution of our pov/ decision that its the only offering ? like putting something in the mix ?Some part of you makes that decision based on whatever is most important to you.
Partly I understand it, its about the right conduct without fighting etc... but is it only that ?If a man were to pile up riches for himself alone, without considering others, he would certainly experience a collapse. For all gathering is followed by dispersion.
Maybe that represents the "riches". The reading I have in mind and try to solve the riddle, does not involve another individual but can apply it for the inner world. Thank you.I think the impetus within 43 is the need to say something, to express something important to us. Receiving 43 is like the green light to go ahead and speak, but also reminds us of the importance to keep it objective and not to start an argument, even unintentionally.
Absolutely!Wow that's quite a selection of readings :bows:
Also, those three - naming things, signing petitions, sending emails - are all one or another version of being the messenger, holding up the speaking staff, giving voice to the inner qian, etc.I've also gotten 43uc just telling me to be decisive: what to name something, whether to sign a petition ON THE INTERNET , is my draft email suitable for sending. I think Trojina's point pertains here - if there had actually been something wrong with the actions, Yi could have said so, but it didn't. It also didn't tell me that what I was considering was fine and dandy, but maybe that was implied? Yi thought the most important message it could give me was just to decide, so therefore my worried dithering was NOT important?
Hooray. I get very upset when people cut down trees. If I'd had this reading, I think I'd have taken it to mean, 'Go and tell them not to' or 'Go tie yourself to the tree with a banner' or something. And would have been wrong, I suppose, since they weren't going to cut it down anyway.I also got it once to indicate a decision which had already been made. A tree which grew about three feet from the side of our building had been removed, and I asked whether they'd also cut down a similar tree which has grown past my own balcony. (I like it, and didn't want it removed.) Yi gave me 43uc, and it was never cut down. I think the reading meant they'd already decided which trees had to go, and "mine" was not on the list.
. That's better than what I thought, which was that Yi was just yelling at me. I mean, Yi was definitely making a point, but maybe in a "you can do this" tone of voice rather than "OMG !" In all three of those instances, I was tying myself in knots even though logically there weren't good reasons not to do what I'd already thought of doing. (No one has humiliated me for signing the internet petition, for example.)Also, those three - naming things, signing petitions, sending emails - are all one or another version of being the messenger, holding up the speaking staff, giving voice to the inner qian, etc.
Well, I did not tell the entire story, only the result . Next "question" after the 43uc one: "MUST I point out that 43uc could mean 'they've already decided to cut it down,' or that 'no decision has been made yet,' or several other things, probably, all of which have very different implications! Really???" Answer was 35.2>64, which I did not understand. Then, me: "ARGH!" Yi: 58uc. I thought this meant exactly what you said, Hilary - communicate, go tell them not to. So I asked about that: 12.5>35[SUP]*[/SUP], didn't understand it. Then, "How likely 43uc meant they've already decided NOT to cut it down?" 1.2.6>49, which I began to see as addressing the fit I was having rather than the issue. Finally it dawned on me: "How likely if they were going to cut it down, they would have done so at the same time as the other one - both at once?" 35.5>12[SUP]*[/SUP]. Aha - this was a decision they'd already made (back to the 43uc) - which trees close to the building were problems, and which were not. (This was a year ago, and I still have "my" tree.)Hooray. I get very upset when people cut down trees. If I'd had this reading, I think I'd have taken it to mean, 'Go and tell them not to' or 'Go tie yourself to the tree with a banner' or something. And would have been wrong, I suppose, since they weren't going to cut it down anyway.
Slightly off topic for a moment.....might I humbly suggest that what might help most at such times is trust in your own intuition..? I think casting the hexagram and reading the words and thinking about the words is often not helpful enough without also trusting in your intuition...If you just 'hear' a friends words in words alone you miss half of they mean. We only have the words written in the book so we also have to 'hear' in another sense too....which I'd call, for want of a better phrase, our intuitive sense. That is there is more than just the words on the page for us to access in answers IMO. I reckon you are intuitive but maybe don't trust your own intuitive sense ...or trust that you are being answered by more than just words in a book...?The moral of this unflattering and exhausting story is probably that if I'd given it better thought, I might have asked only two questions, the first 43uc one and the last one. At the end I knew what the 43uc meant, and I can even see how the Image fits - distinguishing amongst trees. But it still seems to highlight the problem I have with the majority of unchanging readings - I know it's saying one of several different possible things about the hexagram, but I don't know which. I almost always have to do more than one reading because of this.
Having said all that about intuition, yes I wouldn't be going on with these threads if I hadn't been baffled most over the years by unchanging hexagrams. I agree often it feels like there needs to be more said from Yi. Like I used to feel sometimes, and still do sometimes, 'for god's sake give me a line to hang on to'. The moving line seems to at least anchor us somewhere in the reading. I now feel an unchanging cast takes the situation beyond us in some way...like we are outside of it or it presents a simple fact. Though I would hesitate to say that is a general thing.Is that one of the things we're trying to find a way to understand and deal with in these threads? Or is it just a fact of unchanging-reading life?
*Mirror images! Which I noticed just this minute
This rings a distant bell in my mind but unfortunately I can't recall the reading...I have this vague memory of 43uc and an old car that I was wondering whether to get rid of before it got rid of me. However I may have imagined this....but if I come across the reading I will post. Am gradually transferring readings to the software journal so I can find them.Has anyone ever gotten 43uc to refer to an object literally breaking? I have a hex 43 reading which I think might mean that, but it's not unchanging.
Never a bad suggestion. It's the only way anyone is ever confident about what a reading's saying, after all.Slightly off topic for a moment.....might I humbly suggest that what might help most at such times is trust in your own intuition..?
12.5 to 35; 35.5 to 12. Subject for another thread: what does it mean when you get the reading going in one direction along the path, and then the one going back? It'd be interesting to collect a few examples of that and see if we can discern any pattern.Not sure what you saw as mirror images ? Did you mean the readings were all mirrors ?
12.5 to 35; 35.5 to 12. Subject for another thread: what does it mean when you get the reading going in one direction along the path, and then the one going back? It'd be interesting to collect a few examples of that and see if we can discern any pattern.
Yes, I think doing that would have gotten me from the first question to the last one, skipping all the angst in-between. I do still think those two questions would have been necessary, though. It wasn't so cut-and-dried that I would have wanted to assume that's what 43uc meant without asking about it.Slightly off topic for a moment.....might I humbly suggest that what might help most at such times is trust in your own intuition..?
Yes, in this case the situation was outside of me. If the tree or its roots were posing a threat to the building, I couldn't have argued it nor would I have wanted to, though I still would have been sad. The actual outcome was good news rather than bad, though. Would there be any reason for Yi to remind me I'm not in charge when the decision was in my favor?I now feel an unchanging cast takes the situation beyond us in some way...like we are outside of it or it presents a simple fact. Though I would hesitate to say that is a general thing.
Have read through that more than once - it's a really helpful thread .There was this thread anyway on all the ways people think of uc casts......http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?14350-You-Experiences-With-Unchanging-Castings-Hexagram-0
Your commentary describes how the mulberry tree "regrows vigorously from its roots when cut back." That might be exactly the relevant part, actually. My tree does grow faster than average; maybe it's not a true "tree" at all, despite looking like one to me (am clueless - tried once to identify its leaves online, with no success). And maybe cutting it down wouldn't be enough, and they'd have to dig it completely out of the ground, roots and all, to get rid of it. (Which presumably they'd do if it was a threat to the building.)I like 12.5 as reassurance about trees, by the way.
The lake has risen up to heaven:
The image of BREAK–THROUGH.
Thus the superior man
Dispenses riches downward
And refrains from resting on his virtue.
The mountain rests on the earth:
The image of SPLITTING APART.
Thus those above can ensure their position
Only by giving generously to those below.
speculations :I still can't see why 43 and 44 are a pair. What I mean is mostly it's obvious with pairs that one is the flip side of the other....they go together, they are inseparable. You can't think of one without the other being implicit.
In some pairs it's obvious like 41 and 42, 39 and 40 and so on. In other pairs it's much less clear and it's not so clear how 43 is flip to 44 at all to me.
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