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Trojina

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43 uc always seems pretty stark to me. Decide ! However if one has approached the oracle for help with a decision being told to decide appears to throw one back on oneself !

In my own experiences I note it has come up just before making a clean break with something. Seems for me to do with implementing clear choices.

I don't usually like to mix/compare divination methods but immediately 43uc reminds me of the Ace of Swords in Tarot. It's a clear decisive move, a statement or action as a statement.



Lise once said in summary of the pair

Be present in the world

43 - Speak up but stay on yourself
44 - Go forth and multiply
Thinking of the pair 43/44 I currently see it in unchanging form, very crudely, as
43 you decide, your will in the matter defines/decides what's next for you
44 you don't decide, it's/other's will influences/passes through you


Hilary says of the pair in her book

Deciding forms a pair with hexagram 44, Coupling :

'Coupling means meeting, supple meets firm.'
Deciding means breaking up, firm breaks up supple.'

Hexagram 43 has five firm unbroken lines pushing out a single supple open line. They embody an assertion of identity that breaks through indecision. In Hexagram 44, the single open line finds it's way back.
While I can see in hindsight 43uc has at times indicated a clear choice about what to leave behind, there have been other times I have been pretty much flummoxed by it as an answer. Mostly when I can't decide !

What does Wing say of 43 uc ?


The great power in the lower trigram, CH'IEN, strength, stimulates and brings to fruition, TUI, openness and words, above. Receiving this hexagram without change indicates that whatever your inquiry, the true struggle is within. Make a verbal RESOLUTION to throw out old opinions and experiment with new ideas. Only through determined, steady, open progress will change come.
So it's stating your case clearly for yourself to yourself/others. Reading around Maria said somewhere perhaps it was a decision made through process of elimination. You decide what does and does not belong with you.


Anyone have any 43uc readings that they can remember ?
 

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43 uc always seems pretty stark to me. Decide !
two reading the last month for two different issues. oscillating between A and B . Asked Yi "what needs to be done" just in case I was given a hint towards which direction to move. Answer; Plain, unchanging 43. :hissy:

There was a thread sometime ago with un 43 and a woman trying to decide. Will try to find it and plug it here. Was it where I said elimination ?

I liked the association with the Ace of swords. Not into tarot myself but I do associate, in some hexs, thunder with sword and the decisiveness it takes. There is no a thunder trigram in 43 of course but I can "see" it somewhere hidden . In 43 its time to act, to speak out , as you said too.

I don't keep a diary of my readings so I don't recall other instances atm. one of the one's i mention had to do with a reason vs passion thingy. I have a little problem tho with Wilhelm's idea on reason vs passion. I understand how passion and emotions could blur our capacity to decide but I don't fully agree. Will elaborate that later because I have experience the same "conflict" many times . I guess W/b talks about the negative aspects of pathos.
 

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hmm, passion/emotions could be our doubts- we have't convince ourselves. or is a h40 idea ?
 
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LiSe's Speaking Staff scratched my itch from 43. It's not mandatory of course to speak; sometimes silence speaks most clearly, but speaking from ones inner authority, without getting offensive or overly emotional pretty well sums it up for me. Also the timing involved is an important element, when to speak as well as how to speak. What to speak is up to you, it's your seal or staff. The tension in this hexagram is because the lowest is above the highest. A lake is low into the ground, heaven is high above the clouds, so the image is of little sister Dui standing upon the back of heaven, which means a lot of responsibility for someone who is usually in a lowly position. For her, that is the breakthrough, she gets her day in court to speak. She should choose her words wisely, or she'll wind up being held in contempt.
 

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if my memory serve me well, there is somewhere in the archives a reading of a person getting 43 for their CV- another form of "speaking staff"
 

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There was a thread sometime ago with un 43 and a woman trying to decide. Will try to find it and plug it here. Was it where I said elimination ?
Yes you said maybe trying to make a choice by a process of elimination....I think this idea holds some truth. The last time I got 43uc about going out with someone it was a case of thinking through the things I wouldn't be able to do if I went.




two reading the last month for two different issues. oscillating between A and B . Asked Yi "what needs to be done" just in case I was given a hint towards which direction to move. Answer; Plain, unchanging 43. :hissy:

Yes my experience too sometimes when asking about a plain choice.



I don't keep a diary of my readings so I don't recall other instances atm. one of the one's i mention had to do with a reason vs passion thingy. I have a little problem tho with Wilhelm's idea on reason vs passion. I understand how passion and emotions could blur our capacity to decide but I don't fully agree. Will elaborate that later because I have experience the same "conflict" many times . I guess W/b talks about the negative aspects of pathos
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I have never thought anything about reason v passion in 43...so that's new to me. Can't see where Wilhelm gets that idea from.


LiSe's Speaking Staff scratched my itch from 43. It's not mandatory of course to speak; sometimes silence speaks most clearly, but speaking from ones inner authority, without getting offensive or overly emotional pretty well sums it up for me. Also the timing involved is an important element, when to speak as well as how to speak. What to speak is up to you, it's your seal or staff.
This is all very well but if one's question has nothing to do with speaking out at all, if your question is not about asserting your identity/message, then how do you see it ?

We can see in theory that 43 is about all these things but often this doesn't translate easily in answer to our questions.

Both Maria and I had 43 uc re making a choice, a decision , for me not to do with speaking out, just a simple choice about going somewhere...or not.

What if one had 43uc for 'what about buying this laptop X ?' for example :mischief: or "my dog seems listless, how can I help her ?' I'm making these up. Actually for the dog I think I'd tell the vet...maybe


Now, as I write a 43uc experience is coming back to me along with a comment I think Hilary made. Ah yes, I think she said perhaps with 43uc yes one may think of speaking out but for what purpose ?

I think Hilary said in experience unchanging hexagrams often seem to present us with something we can get no handle on....no subjective grip (no relating hexagram to approach from). 43uc might be speaking out for the sake of speaking out. The only time I recall it this was re a dental issue. I recall a short while after the treatment being concerned about it and I asked if I should talk to her. The reason I asked was that I hate bothering people like that, but as I recall I did speak to her..:duh: can't recall exactly what happened though.....but I will update if I find the reading. Anyway I know then that I didn't really know how to take 43uc
 
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Fair question. When making a decision we're still speaking to ourselves, forming an opinion: do I go with this one or that one? A breakthrough is made once you decide, even if it's to go with neither or both. Our speaking staff is calling the shot. I have an appointment but I don't want to go. Should I go or stay home? Some part of you makes that decision based on whatever is most important to you. A breakthrough to a stalemate is made, or at least the Yi advises it, not that we have to obey. Our speaking staff may choose to ignore Yi's advice and take a nap instead. But we can still say, my speaking staff has decided to take a nap. :)
 

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Perhaps 'speaking out" could be taken figuratively too as if you have to "announce" to your self the decision, make a declaration in some fashion and assume responsibility; be assertive, perhaps. Maybe this is what holds us back from saying the final yes or no or whatever...

I have never thought anything about reason v passion in 43...so that's new to me. Can't see where Wilhelm gets that idea from.
could be because of Tui ? it perplex me Wilhelm thoughts about "passion" but what sooo said- not be emotional makes sense as stick to the facts - or like the sword you brought - a clear cut. Feels more like inner negotiations , because when you speak out you are not in a negotiation mode you just "say it" you inform.

when Yi says "decide" might be a way to reflect on the reasons that don't let you be resolute, regardless the matter you have to make a decision about- just a thought- need to ponder on that a bit more .
 

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Yes could be we need to feel assertive enough to make an announcement about where we will be....even to ourselves.

I turned to the Image in Hilary's book for further ideas since the Image is said to be particularly helpful when getting an unchanging casting....actually I have found it to be true. For the Image she has

'Lake above heaven : Deciding.
A noble one distributes riches to those below.
She dwells in power and virtue and also shuns things'.


A lake above heaven is a cloud : sharing the blessing of rain, and always pure, never in contact with the mud. the noble one's generosity is like this: a pure, inspired expression of her character, without ulterior motive. She gives and also knows what to stay away from.
(oh and Hilary's latest Blog post happens to be all about the 'noble one' and what that means....which apparently is a different concept to the 'great person' apparently http://onlineclarity.co.uk/answers/)

anemos


Perhaps 'speaking out" could be taken figuratively too as if you have to "announce" to your self the decision, make a declaration in some fashion and assume responsibility; be assertive, perhaps. Maybe this is what holds us back from saying the final yes or no or whatever...
Yes, you're right...surely being crippled by indecision is a symptom of fear of assertion of what one wants. I mean we can be so afraid we don't even know what we want sometimes. At the point of 'yes' or 'no' there can often be that sense of paralysis. Maybe Yi is saying 'be brave, make your choice'.


Knowing what to shun, what to stay away from, appears to also require quite a degree of assertion.

So for example if a friend suggests you go to a film, but you aren't sure. You don't really want to go but you don't want to hurt her feelings 43uc might advise you to do what you want....be free to be you...Another answer might suggest it's good to nurture the relationship...but 43 uc advises to assert your preference.
 

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Since you brought here the image...

The image is not very clear to me. I can understand the difference between the rain in Hilary's commentary and the fear of cloudburst ( Wilhelm) as something to avoid ( maybe?) but the following - practically- is foggy.

A noble one distributes riches to those below.
The king's court it resembles a "meeting room" where decisions are made but in practice, which are those reaches one distributes and who are "those below" ?

Some part of you makes that decision based on whatever is most important to you.
That makes a lot of sense - the inner negotiations You allow all the parts to talk . Was wondering however, if anyone can share any experience involving that offering to the external world... or its the mere contribution of our pov/ decision that its the only offering ? like putting something in the mix ?

Whilhelm says :
If a man were to pile up riches for himself alone, without considering others, he would certainly experience a collapse. For all gathering is followed by dispersion.
Partly I understand it, its about the right conduct without fighting etc... but is it only that ?

or similar to the idea of the following video ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_iGdiYO7gI
 
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I think the impetus within 43 is the need to say something, to express something important to us. Receiving 43 is like the green light to go ahead and speak, but also reminds us of the importance to keep it objective and not to start an argument, even unintentionally. It's especially hard to communicate clearly through the written word, as people either become "keyboard warriors", feeling more brave than if they were standing in front of the person in real time, or due to the lack of facial expression, voice tenor, body language, or not knowing the person speaking or being spoken to well enough to be clearly understood. I think 43 calls to remind us of these types of factors, and to try not to hurt the person being spoken to or create unnecessary arguments.
 

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I can find one experience with 43 uc, and it's the same 'speaking staff' idea. Advice for a conversation where there were things I had to say, because I had to be truthful, though I was afraid of damaging the relationship and/or that someone would shoot the messenger. The advice is to speak clearly and positively but not pugnaciously.

The unchangingness? Well... the person I spoke to didn't believe a word of the message I was bringing. Maybe it was, 'Speak up, but with no expectations as to how you'll be received'?
 

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I think the impetus within 43 is the need to say something, to express something important to us. Receiving 43 is like the green light to go ahead and speak, but also reminds us of the importance to keep it objective and not to start an argument, even unintentionally.
Maybe that represents the "riches". The reading I have in mind and try to solve the riddle, does not involve another individual but can apply it for the inner world. Thank you.
 

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I got 43uc once when asking about a phone call with a friend who seemed disinterested in our conversation (not unprecedented; she doesn't like the telephone). She had mailed me some things out of the blue, and I called to say I got them and to talk about it. I was wondering what I should make of her disengagement. We talk pretty rarely, so although I realize she doesn't like the phone, I don't think I'm a pest, lol.

I think maybe what Yi was telling me was that she just saw no need for the phone call. She had sent the things and probably felt done with it at that point (the "clean break" idea). She probably also thought the items spoke for themselves (this thread helped me see that aspect), and didn't need to be discussed.

The idea of "shunning" from Hilary's Image text which Trojina quoted might also apply. We are friends, and cordial, but there are also ways in which we don't get along. There might have been some sense of walking on eggshells in this conversation, trying to avoid certain topics. That tension isn't always there, but it may have surfaced because the call didn't have a lot of purpose in the first place.

I've also gotten 43uc just telling me to be decisive: what to name something, whether to sign a petition ON THE INTERNET :eek:, is my draft email suitable for sending. I think Trojina's point pertains here - if there had actually been something wrong with the actions, Yi could have said so, but it didn't. It also didn't tell me that what I was considering was fine and dandy, but maybe that was implied? Yi thought the most important message it could give me was just to decide, so therefore my worried dithering was NOT important?

I also got it once to indicate a decision which had already been made. A tree which grew about three feet from the side of our building had been removed, and I asked whether they'd also cut down a similar tree which has grown past my own balcony. (I like it, and didn't want it removed.) Yi gave me 43uc, and it was never cut down:). I think the reading meant they'd already decided which trees had to go, and "mine" was not on the list.

Has anyone ever gotten 43uc to refer to an object literally breaking? I have a hex 43 reading which I think might mean that, but it's not unchanging.

Also have a 43uc reading which I think meant "breakthrough" in the sense of making a breakthrough. It was about an automated email response I needed, which hadn't arrived. My notes say that the entity had sent me a different sort of confirmatory email, but not the one with the specific information I needed. Apparently (per my notes) I logged off of one email account to check for it in an old, abandoned email account, checked spam folders in both places, and when I logged back into the original email, the needed message was in my inbox where it belonged. It just hadn't "broken through" (arrived) yet.

Most of these are probably just the emphatic, one-word-answer sort of unchanging readings. The one about the tree might be more interesting - there's nothing to relate to in a decision already made, so no relating hexagram?
 

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Wow that's quite a selection of readings :bows:
 

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Wow that's quite a selection of readings :bows:
Absolutely!

I've also gotten 43uc just telling me to be decisive: what to name something, whether to sign a petition ON THE INTERNET :eek:, is my draft email suitable for sending. I think Trojina's point pertains here - if there had actually been something wrong with the actions, Yi could have said so, but it didn't. It also didn't tell me that what I was considering was fine and dandy, but maybe that was implied? Yi thought the most important message it could give me was just to decide, so therefore my worried dithering was NOT important?
Also, those three - naming things, signing petitions, sending emails - are all one or another version of being the messenger, holding up the speaking staff, giving voice to the inner qian, etc.

I also got it once to indicate a decision which had already been made. A tree which grew about three feet from the side of our building had been removed, and I asked whether they'd also cut down a similar tree which has grown past my own balcony. (I like it, and didn't want it removed.) Yi gave me 43uc, and it was never cut down:). I think the reading meant they'd already decided which trees had to go, and "mine" was not on the list.
Hooray. I get very upset when people cut down trees. If I'd had this reading, I think I'd have taken it to mean, 'Go and tell them not to' or 'Go tie yourself to the tree with a banner' or something. And would have been wrong, I suppose, since they weren't going to cut it down anyway.
 

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I think maybe Yi is trying to tell me something with all the hex 43s it gives me, lol.

Also, those three - naming things, signing petitions, sending emails - are all one or another version of being the messenger, holding up the speaking staff, giving voice to the inner qian, etc.
:). That's better than what I thought, which was that Yi was just yelling at me. I mean, Yi was definitely making a point, but maybe in a "you can do this" tone of voice rather than "OMG :rolleyes:!" In all three of those instances, I was tying myself in knots even though logically there weren't good reasons not to do what I'd already thought of doing. (No one has humiliated me for signing the internet petition, for example.)

Hooray. I get very upset when people cut down trees. If I'd had this reading, I think I'd have taken it to mean, 'Go and tell them not to' or 'Go tie yourself to the tree with a banner' or something. And would have been wrong, I suppose, since they weren't going to cut it down anyway.
Well, I did not tell the entire story, only the result :eek:. Next "question" after the 43uc one: "MUST I point out that 43uc could mean 'they've already decided to cut it down,' or that 'no decision has been made yet,' or several other things, probably, all of which have very different implications! Really???" Answer was 35.2>64, which I did not understand. Then, me: "ARGH!" Yi: 58uc. I thought this meant exactly what you said, Hilary - communicate, go tell them not to. So I asked about that: 12.5>35[SUP]*[/SUP], didn't understand it. Then, "How likely 43uc meant they've already decided NOT to cut it down?" 1.2.6>49, which I began to see as addressing the fit I was having rather than the issue. Finally it dawned on me: "How likely if they were going to cut it down, they would have done so at the same time as the other one - both at once?" 35.5>12[SUP]*[/SUP]. Aha - this was a decision they'd already made (back to the 43uc) - which trees close to the building were problems, and which were not. (This was a year ago, and I still have "my" tree.)

The moral of this unflattering and exhausting story is probably that if I'd given it better thought, I might have asked only two questions, the first 43uc one and the last one. At the end I knew what the 43uc meant, and I can even see how the Image fits - distinguishing amongst trees. But it still seems to highlight the problem I have with the majority of unchanging readings - I know it's saying one of several different possible things about the hexagram, but I don't know which. I almost always have to do more than one reading because of this. Is that one of the things we're trying to find a way to understand and deal with in these threads? Or is it just a fact of unchanging-reading life?


[SUP]*[/SUP]Mirror images! Which I noticed just this minute.
 

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The moral of this unflattering and exhausting story is probably that if I'd given it better thought, I might have asked only two questions, the first 43uc one and the last one. At the end I knew what the 43uc meant, and I can even see how the Image fits - distinguishing amongst trees. But it still seems to highlight the problem I have with the majority of unchanging readings - I know it's saying one of several different possible things about the hexagram, but I don't know which. I almost always have to do more than one reading because of this.


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Slightly off topic for a moment.....might I humbly suggest that what might help most at such times is trust in your own intuition..? I think casting the hexagram and reading the words and thinking about the words is often not helpful enough without also trusting in your intuition...If you just 'hear' a friends words in words alone you miss half of they mean. We only have the words written in the book so we also have to 'hear' in another sense too....which I'd call, for want of a better phrase, our intuitive sense. That is there is more than just the words on the page for us to access in answers IMO. I reckon you are intuitive but maybe don't trust your own intuitive sense ...or trust that you are being answered by more than just words in a book...?
Maybe you could nurture and watch your intuitive faculty in other ways....you know notice hunches, sudden thoughts or wishes, all that kind of thing....so that when you come to Yi for a chat you have this other ear open too. That is the ear that hears without knowing how it heard :D

Is that one of the things we're trying to find a way to understand and deal with in these threads? Or is it just a fact of unchanging-reading life?
Having said all that about intuition, yes I wouldn't be going on with these threads if I hadn't been baffled most over the years by unchanging hexagrams. I agree often it feels like there needs to be more said from Yi. Like I used to feel sometimes, and still do sometimes, 'for god's sake give me a line to hang on to'. The moving line seems to at least anchor us somewhere in the reading. I now feel an unchanging cast takes the situation beyond us in some way...like we are outside of it or it presents a simple fact. Though I would hesitate to say that is a general thing.

There was this thread anyway on all the ways people think of uc casts......http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?14350-You-Experiences-With-Unchanging-Castings-Hexagram-0


It's great you bring so many readings here though. We can pontificate till the end of time about what 43 uc is meant to mean but in seeing how it comes through in all these various real life situations brings an added richness and dimension.....more than words on a page. I don't know quite what to make of the tree reading but I love having it as an image to carry along with my 43uc understandings so far.

*Mirror images! Which I noticed just this minute

Not sure what you saw as mirror images ? Did you mean the readings were all mirrors ?
 

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Has anyone ever gotten 43uc to refer to an object literally breaking? I have a hex 43 reading which I think might mean that, but it's not unchanging.
This rings a distant bell in my mind but unfortunately I can't recall the reading...I have this vague memory of 43uc and an old car that I was wondering whether to get rid of before it got rid of me. However I may have imagined this....but if I come across the reading I will post. Am gradually transferring readings to the software journal so I can find them.
 

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Slightly off topic for a moment.....might I humbly suggest that what might help most at such times is trust in your own intuition..?
Never a bad suggestion. It's the only way anyone is ever confident about what a reading's saying, after all.

Not sure what you saw as mirror images ? Did you mean the readings were all mirrors ?
12.5 to 35; 35.5 to 12. Subject for another thread: what does it mean when you get the reading going in one direction along the path, and then the one going back? It'd be interesting to collect a few examples of that and see if we can discern any pattern.

I like 12.5 as reassurance about trees, by the way.
 

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12.5 to 35; 35.5 to 12. Subject for another thread: what does it mean when you get the reading going in one direction along the path, and then the one going back? It'd be interesting to collect a few examples of that and see if we can discern any pattern.


Ah...yes need a thread for that....it's always puzzling when that reading back to front things happens
 

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Slightly off topic for a moment.....might I humbly suggest that what might help most at such times is trust in your own intuition..?
Yes, I think doing that would have gotten me from the first question to the last one, skipping all the angst in-between. I do still think those two questions would have been necessary, though. It wasn't so cut-and-dried that I would have wanted to assume that's what 43uc meant without asking about it.

Well - let me qualify that. It also might have been reasonable to just stop bothering with it. I might have thought: "43uc, okay...something about a decision..." (then eventually come to the "cut down both at once" conclusion) "...that makes sense, but it's not the only explanation...how important is it for me to pin this down?...not very, I just rent an apartment here...I'll just stop and let the 43uc sit there."

There was no dire need for me to cast any readings at all about this, not even the first one. I noticed that the other tree had been cut down, was quite unhappy about it (my neighbors and I had some fond history with that tree, too :( ), and my next thought was about the fate of "my" tree. I asked because I was worried and wanted to know, not because I had a role to play.

So, no role to play - we can add "this is not your decision" to the list of things 43uc could have meant. (Made a list at the end.)

I now feel an unchanging cast takes the situation beyond us in some way...like we are outside of it or it presents a simple fact. Though I would hesitate to say that is a general thing.
Yes, in this case the situation was outside of me. If the tree or its roots were posing a threat to the building, I couldn't have argued it nor would I have wanted to, though I still would have been sad. The actual outcome was good news rather than bad, though. Would there be any reason for Yi to remind me I'm not in charge when the decision was in my favor?

Have read through that more than once - it's a really helpful thread :).

I like 12.5 as reassurance about trees, by the way.
Your commentary describes how the mulberry tree "regrows vigorously from its roots when cut back." That might be exactly the relevant part, actually. My tree does grow faster than average; maybe it's not a true "tree" at all, despite looking like one to me (am clueless - tried once to identify its leaves online, with no success). And maybe cutting it down wouldn't be enough, and they'd have to dig it completely out of the ground, roots and all, to get rid of it. (Which presumably they'd do if it was a threat to the building.)

The rest of 12.5 could be seen as echoing the "it's not your decision" option for 43uc, which makes me wonder if more weight should be given to that interpretation.

Here's a list (so far) of what I think 43uc could have meant here (IMO):
[Edited: That is, what it could have meant at the time I asked the question. Clearly several of them have been proven wrong since then :).]

  1. The decision about the tree has not been made.
  2. The decision has already been made, to cut it down.
  3. The decision has already been made, not to cut it down.
  4. I should act in a hex 43 way, asking the apartment management what their plans are, or imploring them not to remove it.
  5. Me acting in a hex 43 way will have no effect (similar to Hilary's example in post #12).
  6. "This is not your decision", period.
 
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I like to think that also 43uc re the tree may mean something entirely outside of that list...in fact I'm often quite happy with answers I don't understand. They are kind of like the boiled sweets of the Yi to carry round in your pocket, you can keep sucking on them for ages :D Sometimes meanings cannot even be articulated...it's just one day they fall into place. I don't think they fall into place always via logical thought, I think they fall into place by themselves.

Well we can now carry the boiled sweet of '43uc and the tree' around with us :D....(.and I'm still sucking on 37uc and the lost keys)

I love these weird answers... we don't have to pin down a meaning yet do we, after all it may turn out to be a multi layered sweet, different flavours coming through the more you suck



(If these are the boiled sweets of Yi answers I wonder what the chewing gum would be ?)
 

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Well we can now carry the boiled sweet of '43uc and the tree' around with us :D....(.and I'm still sucking on 37uc and the lost keys)
And there's also your 27uc parking nightmare.
 

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Ah well I think I swallowed that particular boiled sweet....I think Yi was leapfrogging the parking and asking if it was necessary to go at all !


Ricciao reminded me to look at the complement/opposite hexagram for further ideas on the unchanging hexagram.

The complement or opposite for 43 is 23 ! I should be able to say something about that but nothing comes to mind.

why is there no empty head emoticon ?
 

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The lake has risen up to heaven:
The image of BREAK–THROUGH.
Thus the superior man
Dispenses riches downward
And refrains from resting on his virtue.


23

The mountain rests on the earth:

The image of SPLITTING APART.
Thus those above can ensure their position
Only by giving generously to those below.

there is a flow towards those below /downwards.

and something from inside comes out

Hadn't noticed that 23 was the complementary of 43 but was looking at it the other day when trying to understand the "reaches" of 43...

the jury is still out , tho
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I still can't see why 43 and 44 are a pair. What I mean is mostly it's obvious with pairs that one is the flip side of the other....they go together, they are inseparable. You can't think of one without the other being implicit.

In some pairs it's obvious like 41 and 42, 39 and 40 and so on. In other pairs it's much less clear and it's not so clear how 43 is flip to 44 at all to me.
 

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Anemos, I'm probably missing something obvious, but I'm not seeing where that part comes from :confused:

In 43 you speak your mind - the thoughts inside
in 23 you got to the core of the things - under the surface

just a thought i had the other day - maybe not significant.
 

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I still can't see why 43 and 44 are a pair. What I mean is mostly it's obvious with pairs that one is the flip side of the other....they go together, they are inseparable. You can't think of one without the other being implicit.

In some pairs it's obvious like 41 and 42, 39 and 40 and so on. In other pairs it's much less clear and it's not so clear how 43 is flip to 44 at all to me.
speculations :
I'm not very comfortable with my understanding of pairs and don't usually consider it what i have a reading. But during the thread of opposites , seemed to me that complementary and pairs have somethign in common - or we pick up the common themes.

in 43/44 , my impression is how you exert your will / thoughts/ etc. Both are quite powerful, imo but 43 feels more controlled while in 44 can be uncontrollable.

43 seems also more "reasonable" while 44 more passionate. I like that passion of 44 and this is why I was wondering about Wilhelm's idea about passion and reason.
 

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