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in 43/44 , my impression is how you exert your will / thoughts/ etc. Both are quite powerful, imo but 43 feels more controlled while in 44 can be uncontrollable.
Thinking of the pair 43/44 I currently see it in unchanging form, very crudely, as
43 you decide, your will in the matter defines/decides what's next for you
44 you don't decide, it's/other's will influences/passes through you
Yes along the same lines as I was thinking. I think 43 is from within mostly and 44 a factor that impinges on you from without
Hexagram 43, Deciding.
‘Breaking through necessarily means meeting, and so Coupling follows.’
‘Coupling means meeting, supple meets solid.’
‘Deciding means breaking up, solid breaks up supple.’
(This pair isn’t grouped together in the Zagua.)
The yin line ‘pushed out’ in Hexagram 43 returns at the roots of Hexagram 44. What you separated from, decided was ‘not you’, now comes back to meet you as something irreducibly other than yourself and alien to your plans.
7. The fact that the tree was still standing "speaks for itself."Here's a list (so far) of what I think 43uc could have meant here (IMO):
[Edited: That is, what it could have meant at the time I asked the question. Clearly several of them have been proven wrong since then .]
- The decision about the tree has not been made.
- The decision has already been made, to cut it down.
- The decision has already been made, not to cut it down.
- I should act in a hex 43 way, asking the apartment management what their plans are, or imploring them not to remove it.
- Me acting in a hex 43 way will have no effect (similar to Hilary's example in post #12).
- "This is not your decision", period.
This was reason and will directing passion so that it was focused like a laser on the matter at hand.
7. The fact that the tree was still standing "speaks for itself."
'Lake above heaven: Deciding
A noble one distributes riches to those below,
She dwells in power and virtue and also shuns things.'
.'embody an assertion of identity that breaks through indecision. In 44, the single open line finds it's way back'
What I'm trying to say - obviously badly ---
is that this situation described is an illustration of what I can see 44 being. I say this due to the many women on this site who seem to describe what reads like a 44 in the aftermath.
This could be plainly a socialization thing - that women are socialized to come onto forums to ask about liaisons gone wrong where men have other methods. But then this is no different to our being culturally conditioned to expect to play particular roles ie: the bold female seizing initiative, that when thrown off tradition and without a clearly defined way of keeping communication channels open, leads to a sort of chaos/destruction/consumptive power that I associate with the gender version of 44. Ie: what was observed in the time of the Zhou dynasty is still relevant today.
And what I'm saying is that there's a sort of lesson in 44, to take note of. That actually these cultural conditionings do still exist - bold young woman is still a 'type'.
So though 44 represents any form of dangerously tempting and seductive situation - or at least, this is how I see it - it's also relevant to actually relate it directly to the seductive female because we're so conditioned, still, to associate her with the femme fatale - in that she might not get what she bargained for and the femme fatale is, as tradition, always discarded. And hence, on the end of a long running narrative, 'she' ends up on a forum, unsure why she receives no communication from her lover/ex-lover.
This is merely a thought, in addition to what's already here about 44.
.That's interesting... I feel just from reading that translation 43, in your decision making of how to respond to these people, "the noble one distributes riches to those below"... means you have risen above those similar situations, or perhaps you've been lucky enough to not experience a similar situation. But you give compassion and advice from your own life experience
Two - or perhaps it means when you are open you find your way back. If it were me, and I got so frustrated with people's behavior I would be looking within,
You know... In my opinion your advice is very well thought out. Its logical. It makes sense. And I realize it can be frustrating to sound like a broken record sometimes. But your advice helps more people than you probably realize. And you are not always cross in my opinion. In fact you come across as very compassionate.
So to me its like, even if you don't help that one person. Others are reading and watching. And you may end up helping a lot more people than you think. The readers. The lurkers. I admire some of these men and women for having the courage to display all of their dirty laundry out there. And in doing that I feel there must be something within that is wanting healing or help or guidance. That's why they find their way here. Honestly the knowledge in this forum is unbelievable. Its so awesome. It reminds me of my favorite little story of the boy that saves the starfish by throwing them back in the ocean. "I might not be able to save them all. But I saved that one"... You helped me. You have no idea how many of posts you wrote that I have read over the years.
Another thing that comes to mind... When you get the nudge to be cross with someone. They might actually need that. That might make a breakthrough for them. Especially if we think about it in terms of balance. Sometimes we need the happy and light person. Sometimes we need someone a little more grounded and cross as you say. And perhaps we don't get the feedback we hope for in shared readings, cause it is not easy to share all of that dirty laundry. Then come back and say... "Yea Trojina you were right. I needed to change x,y, and z." They're probably too busy recuperating and didn't realize they owed an explanation lol. Just trying to flip the coin a bit
Maybe that's what you are saying. You are making a choice not to work really hard for people that don't want to hear the advice. And the pattern you see I guess, is mostly or only with the women that hold onto relationships that are past their expiration date.
.Lol or maybe our views on it all are just different, which is fine too
"The frustration is with those who make others go on and on and getting others to work really hard"... I guess I'm just seeing it differently. Cause they can't make anyone do anything. Give advice, let it go. There's no attachment to it. If they don't hear it, they don't hear it. People are making a choice to work really hard to help or get there points across. No ones making them.
Oh and I wasn't wanting or asking for a defense on it. I was trying to understand your point of view in my own unique way. Weird way maybe lol. And since you shared I thought it was open for discussion or other points of view. But I understand it is personal for you.
Give advice, let it go. There's no attachment to it.
I also got it [43uc] once to indicate a decision which had already been made. A tree which grew about three feet from the side of our building had been removed, and I asked whether they'd also cut down a similar tree which has grown past my own balcony. (I like it, and didn't want it removed.) Yi gave me 43uc, and it was never cut down. I think the reading meant they'd already decided which trees had to go, and "mine" was not on the list.
I like to think that also 43uc re the tree may mean something entirely outside of that list...in fact I'm often quite happy with answers I don't understand. They are kind of like the boiled sweets of the Yi to carry round in your pocket, you can keep sucking on them for ages
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Well we can now carry the boiled sweet of '43uc and the tree' around with us
I like 12.5 as reassurance about trees, by the way.
Your commentary describes how the mulberry tree "regrows vigorously from its roots when cut back." That might be exactly the relevant part, actually. My tree does grow faster than average; maybe it's not a true "tree" at all, despite looking like one to me (am clueless - tried once to identify its leaves online, with no success). And maybe cutting it down wouldn't be enough, and they'd have to dig it completely out of the ground, roots and all, to get rid of it. (Which presumably they'd do if it was a threat to the building.)
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