Your Experiences with Unchanging Castings-Hexagram 45

[diamanda]

In a particular job I had there was a new manager. She made it quite clear early on that she didn't much like me and dropped hints that she wouldn't renew my contract. At the same time she kept saying that she will create a few new positions.

I asked, "is there any chance she will offer a new position to me?". 45 unchanging.

No, she didn't even suggest it. The way I understand it is that 45 shows a company, a large company, which protects its own interests. Knowing that the company had been making many redundancies in various departments throws more light onto this. So maybe 45 = company policy. As far as I know she didn't in the end create any of those new positions she had talked about.

 

[veavea]

The way I understand it is that 45 shows a company, a large company, which protects its own interests.

Looking back at all my examples of 45 uc, for me at least it always seems to suggest pulling my ideas together, pulling myself together, getting myself straight about whatever issue I'm asking about. I've had it a lot about articles I've been working on, when I can't get clarity on my ideas or about what I'm saying. It seems to refer to the need to pull myself together and gather my thoughts.

Diamanda, for this manager, maybe it's also that her priority was to pull what she needed around her, to integrate what she needed - and you weren't part of her scenario. But also sounds like perhaps you were best off out of it? Just my take.

 

[Yasmin]

I don't have a clear shorthand meaning for 45UC, but the thread covers a lot of spins on it. I recently had it in response to a question about where, ie in which country, I would be living, going forward. And the response seems to be on two levels:

1) A straight description of my current circumstances rather than a prediction: I am gathering, restructuring my finances and possible living arrangements to have more security. Refurbishing a flat to be able to rent it out more easily in case I need the income in the next few years, refurbishing another antiquated property abroad, in case I need to move into it etc...I am hedging my bets, and that resonates with 45UC: gathering resources to be prepared for adversity. Much like Iamsgirl.

2) The other interpretation seems to be asking me to reflect on which group I want to be a part of, given a choice. I like the Wing commentary which suggests that 45UC is about fitting into a form of group consciousness by abiding by its rituals and practices. I had never thought about it that way, but in my case it makes sense. Which country to I want to live in, if I must observe certain "rituals" or uphold certain values, which ones would I feel more comfortable with? The problem is that both countries are changing and I'm not sure I like what either of them is becoming, lol!

So, 45UC- in this case can be read as a description of what is happening, and/or on another level, as a prompt to reflect on which group I want to be a part of. I'm endlessly fascinated with the multiple levels on which Yi responds...

 

[legume]

i've recently had a perplexing dream that i couldn't (and still can't) really make much of - there was no plot and i wasn't looking to do anything in particular within the dream, there was a feeling of relative calmness though, but not even... i just was. if it makes any sense?

so, i found myself in this space, facing the U-shaped sets of shelves, with no idea really what was behind me but it felt like this huge warehouse-like plant store. and the shelves were just filled with teapots. mostly clay, cast iron and porcelain, all kinds of teapots. some shapes i've never seen before, there was one that looked more like a thermos than a teapot, but it was still very much a teapot. i didn't feel pressured to get one but i looked at all of them with quite some interest. nothing really happened and i woke up.

as i did, the first thought i had - what a great idea for a gift! i needed to think of something for a friend's birthday that's coming up and feeling really unprepared already started catching up with me... so the dream brought some relief (i ended up getting something else, though still from a store i visited to actually have a look at some teapots).

but then it got me thinking - what an unusual dream. normally there's some storyline in my dreams, or something more happening at least, emotions coming up, or if it's a place then it's a house of some sort or a workplace (very much modified) or something very outdoorsy, like the mountains or a desert... and this time it was just me and the teapots.

then i realised i had recently thought of a teapot at least twice. first (about few days prior to the dream), i was visiting a friend, she made us tea and i felt that i miss my teapot that broke years ago... and then another time, for some reason i remembered a story my teacher used to remind us of in a certain class ages ago. the story of the teapot is about how people might talk about the very same object, yet looking at it through different filters and from a different perspective, to some it will have a handle and be white, while to others, who might wear pink sunglasses and stand somewhere else, the same teapot will just have a spout and look pink - so in describing the very same thing people might rarely agree... this is what might have triggered the dream, yet the meaning behind it, according to I Ching, is hexagram 45.

funny, how collectedness as well as gathering or the image of lake over earth all fit within the idea of a teapot... and this quote from Bradford Hatcher's especially rings true, when thinking of its function: We’ll want to stay able to hold our waters together, but not so dammed up that we can't come and go.

on the day of the dream i shared it with a colleague and we searched the internet to figure out possible meanings. some favourites that came up - upcoming dinner party (so true, as that's the first thing i thought of when waking up - the birthday party is actually going to be more of a dinner gathering); thirst for new inspiration or diversification / thirst for new energy of some sort within one's social contacts; the need to take care of one's home (the warmth of the "home fire"); and lastly (he didn't want to read this one to me) receiving some bad news (but i find it very interesting in the context of 45 uc)...

i think i can personally relate to all these meanings, especially in my current situation and weirdly, i think most of them are themes that one way or the other got actually mentioned in this thread. especially the last one, relating to bad news or adversity - can be seen as so many different things, but as in Wilhlem's commentary about warding off the unexpected - Human woes usually come as a result of unexpected events against which we are not forearmed. If we are prepared, they can be prevented.

i don't think the above means necessarily we can prevent whatever's coming up, but within ourselves, we can make emotional space to handle some events without them throwing us off course, maybe?

 

[CheersC]

Gathering the books, ideas, themes to make a n essay. Putting a lot of effort to finish it in time, finding some support more from loved ones than the one who should have overseen the work. Hmm, i guess alone work.Also, I felt more the meaning as "being prepared for difficulties", because even with little time and things to fix in only a few hours, I gathered the resources I had...

 

[Erik58]

Got 45UC when asking about time left for someone who is dying. More specifically it was to do with the children needing to know if their parent was going to pass quickly after a violent short illness - we were given 4 weeks.
I think the 45 UC is a perfect example of gathering as a family to witness together - gathering resources Being there for each other in a unit.

 

[steve]

Hi,

Because of my questions in general to Yi, 45 Unchanging to me is usually about organising and bringing things to order or into something new a better version. It could be emotions, people, however, for me its usually about organising elements of my business to get a better result. Very much like Trogina's room, gathering things together may mean a few big things or many small things.

Hexagram 7 has an element of 45 for me although they are probably not connected. For me hexagram 7 is more about myself directly and disciplining me it can mean disciplining other people or there work or whatever. Hexagram 45 can be about so many other elements.

My example of hexagram 45 experiences is when have many irons in the fire (projects) or have a lot to deal with lets say for work. Clear example would be launching a new campaign that has many facets, actioning a business plan, for me its rarely people themselves I have to help organise, its their work and or mine. Maybe I would call this Hexagram"Jigsaw Puzzle" I am struggling to explain what it means to me exactly. What I am getting from the thread, that the answer can mean many things to many people.

Judgment: Forces are assembling for integration -- focus inward, sacrifice your autonomy and allow the Self to guide the Work.

The Superior Man pulls himself together to face the unknown and preserve the Work. “Forewarned is forearmed.”

Trojina's room resonates best. The other example of Trogina's gym experience, I would have personally read that as reorganisation of finances, attitudes, weighing up options and so forth.

 

[Anastacia]

2. A weirder example. I had an extremely cheap gym membership due to some work I had done for a charity. They had mass cheap membership. I continued with the membership even after I had left. No one seemed to notice. The gym fell into a state of great disrepair as they kept going bust and changing owners. I went primarily for the use of the indoor and outdoor swimming pools. I especially liked the outdoor one as I have no garden for summer use. Hmm one day new owners took it over and declared that since many of the facilities, often including the pools, were out of use, all members would pay a reduced rate. Ummm except for me it actually increased because my payment had been so low and had never been changed. I wrote and explained I was not inclined to pay more for fewer facilities, especially since the outdoor pool was out of use. I knew I was trying my luck a bit so asked Yi "will they budge for me ?" ie will they allow me to go on at my old rate. I got 45uc. They did not budge so I left as could not afford new rate. In this instance I am inclined to see it as they, the gym, sort of gathered their resources in hence could not extend to me. Hence I was shut out. That fits with the strength and danger of groups Lise wrote of. One can be within or outside the group. 45uc can just be 'the group

Hi Trojina,
Thanks for starting this thread! I'm here exploring 45uc because I had a misunderstanding I'll talk about in a next post. I just wanted to say how funny I found the image of lake above earth for your gym swimming pool having to be closed and unusable- like Yi saying - but the pool is closed, why would you keep going?

 

[Anastacia]

Just sharing a 45uc experience.
I've been learning about a new type of group therapy for a while and I thought I was ready to put a toe in the water and hold a group session.
I asked Yi how it would go to hold it on the last Sunday in July (yesterday).
45uc
I thought - this describes the sort of group to a tee! So the answer is a definite Yes!
So I went ahead and organised it....
Well only the person I specifically invited to handle entry payment etc turned up..
So I'm guessing the answer was actually No!
I've posted a thread about it on - I think it's public readings page and had some replies and been reading this thread too. I'm coming to the opinion that the unchanging energy means:
There's an ending here
This won't progress
Focus on the experience of this hexagram and then let go
There is not a future timeline
I've had some great insights looking at the related hexagrams that Liselle posted.
I very much appreciate this thread!

 

[Trojina]

There is a thread of people's experiences with all unchanging hexagrams

List of unchanging hexagrams threads

Here are our threads so far about meanings of/ experiences with each hexagram unchanging: Unchanging hexagrams generally Hexagram 1, Creative Hexagram 2, Earth Hexagram 3, Sprouting Hexagram 4, Not Knowing Hexagram 5, Waiting Hexagram 6, Arguing Hexagram 7, Army Hexagram 8, Seeking Union...

www.onlineclarity.co.uk

The first thread in that link is people's ideas generally about uc hexagrams

So I'm guessing the answer was actually No!
I've posted a thread about it on - I think it's public readings page and had some replies and been reading this thread too. I'm coming to the opinion that the unchanging energy means:
There's an ending here
This won't progress
Focus on the experience of this hexagram and then let go

I don't agree that any unchanging hexagram means either 'yes' or 'no' that would miss the point wouldn't it, to reduce all unchanging hexagrams to 'no'. Miss the point because your answer was not saying 'no' it was saying, well what the hexagram is saying....it's not saying just 'yes' or just 'no'. 45 was describing the situation, what was needed perhaps...you'd need to look at Yi's words.

I don't think it's good idea to box every uc hexagram into a 'no' or a 'yes', they can simply show the situation as it is. 45 gather yourself together.....

Let's get the I Ching's actual words again

Oracle

'Gathering together, creating success.
The king enters his temple
Harvest in seeing great people, creating success.
Harvest in constancy.
Using great sacrificial animals: good fortune.
Harvest in having a direction to go.'

Image
'Lake higher than the earth. Gathering together.
Noble one sets aside weapons and tools,
And warns against the unexpected.'

If you read that it isn't a promise of 'oh yes everything will be okay' nor does it say 'no this is an ending'...it says what it says, those are the words to think about. Look at the Image, storing up against the unexpected, shoring up resources. Possibly more preparation was needed. I won't talk about the specific reading here as that is already on your shared readings thread which is here.

Is this a good time to organise a group meeting? 45 uc

Hi, would love some feedback on this one. My question was Is the last Sunday in July a good time to hold a successful group meeting? Answer: 45 unchanging. Gathering This was for a new therapeutic technique called Family Constellations that I have been learning for a while and I'd been...

www.onlineclarity.co.uk

It's not that one can never broadly glean a 'yes' or a 'no' from an answer, I find that is possible, but it would be a mistake to say all unchanging hexagrams mean that something won't progress. And after all prediction isn't always the most helpful angle to come at Yi from as you have seen. The 'lesson' if anything is not that unchanging hexagrams mean any fixed thing but that you need to go by the words of Yi, to think about those.

I did just look over at that thread and it seemed you were going by people just saying they were coming. But that's never enough in things like that, people just saying they are coming, perhaps you needed to secure payment first.

 

[Anastacia]

There is a thread of people's experiences with all unchanging hexagrams

List of unchanging hexagrams threads

Here are our threads so far about meanings of/ experiences with each hexagram unchanging: Unchanging hexagrams generally Hexagram 1, Creative Hexagram 2, Earth Hexagram 3, Sprouting Hexagram 4, Not Knowing Hexagram 5, Waiting Hexagram 6, Arguing Hexagram 7, Army Hexagram 8, Seeking Union...

www.onlineclarity.co.uk

The first thread in that link is people's ideas generally about uc hexagrams


I don't agree that any unchanging hexagram means either 'yes' or 'no' that would miss the point wouldn't it, to reduce all unchanging hexagrams to 'no'. Miss the point because your answer was not saying 'no' it was saying, well what the hexagram is saying....it's not saying just 'yes' or just 'no'. 45 was describing the situation, what was needed perhaps...you'd need to look at Yi's words.

I don't think it's good idea to box every uc hexagram into a 'no' or a 'yes', they can simply show the situation as it is. 45 gather yourself together.....

Let's get the I Ching's actual words again

Oracle

'Gathering together, creating success.
The king enters his temple
Harvest in seeing great people, creating success.
Harvest in constancy.
Using great sacrificial animals: good fortune.
Harvest in having a direction to go.'

Image
'Lake higher than the earth. Gathering together.
Noble one sets aside weapons and tools,
And warns against the unexpected.'

If you read that it isn't a promise of 'oh yes everything will be okay' nor does it say 'no this is an ending'...it says what it says, those are the words to think about. Look at the Image, storing up against the unexpected, shoring up resources. Possibly more preparation was needed. I won't talk about the specific reading here as that is already on your shared readings thread which is here.

Is this a good time to organise a group meeting? 45 uc

Hi, would love some feedback on this one. My question was Is the last Sunday in July a good time to hold a successful group meeting? Answer: 45 unchanging. Gathering This was for a new therapeutic technique called Family Constellations that I have been learning for a while and I'd been...

www.onlineclarity.co.uk

It's not that one can never broadly glean a 'yes' or a 'no' from an answer, I find that is possible, but it would be a mistake to say all unchanging hexagrams mean that something won't progress. And after all prediction isn't always the most helpful angle to come at Yi from as you have seen. The 'lesson' if anything is not that unchanging hexagrams mean any fixed thing but that you need to go by the words of Yi, to think about those.

I did just look over at that thread and it seemed you were going by people just saying they were coming. But that's never enough in things like that, people just saying they are coming, perhaps you needed to secure payment first.

Thankyou Trojina,
The diving deep into Yi is a challenge! Especially when the imagery still feels like a foreign country and I do like feeling more at home, knowing straight away. Ahh - I think I get a bit more understanding of Hex 4 - asking and asking from not knowing and not seeing, not able to stop and experience.
I am gradually becoming more comfortable, step by misunderstanding step.
Yes the commitment through a payment is one aspect that I've learnt from the experience, the other is about the time of year. I've only lived here in Cairns less than 2 years and it's tourist season at the moment. It's such a great time of year to do things that there is a bit too much going to compete for attention.
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