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Yeah, God's will is a super-can-o-worms. Everyone I know who believes they know and follow God's will is at war with someone who knows differently.
Panther, you probably know this already but for sake of discourse, new testament prophesy (grace doctrine) was the context of the 1Cr quote, not old testament prophets. The distinction is significant, as the OT emphasis is on the prophet and prophecy, while the NT emphasis is on the gift and manifestation of the holy spirit. The messages are considered transient and secondary, compared with OT prophecies, which are generally thought of as being literal and written in stone.
Yes, I can see the connection easily. In fact, that's a very astute call, because Pentecost (manifestation of spirit and its gifts) was as fire from heaven, and 14 is also fire over heaven. :bows:
Panther,
Major and minor prophets (and their prophecies) had nothing to do with 1Cr; separate subject altogether. All of Paul's writings to the church of Corinth were based on his idea of the 'new age' of grace, and prophecies were an exhibit of the holy spirit's active presence. However, I do agree on Paul's motive, to conduct congregational practice of the gifts in an orderly manner, particularly speaking in unknown tongues and prophecy, exercised by separate individuals: let one utter in tongues, and let the other interpret. Yes, many of the Corinth church flaunted the gifts in a loud and disorderly fashion, as though they were in a trance and no longer in control of themselves. Paul admonished them that "the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets", not as though to be possessed and controlled by the spirit. These were and still are practiced as edification of the body of believers, not as predictions of the future, as were the OT prophets and prophecies. Apples and oranges.
John's vision at Patmos was for the body corporate, the future humanity.
This was an example of an NT/OT prophet having the last word. At least that was the "spirit" which John wrote it: something immortal and speaking for everyone. This was not among the gifts of the spirit which Paul taught.
But lest this degenerate into an old fashion bible argument, I'll thank you for the exchange and call it good.
John was a visionary.
Lennon?
One can only interpret legends according to the input they've accepted or created. No one alive presently knows what John was. Some choose to believe his visions are facts, which have not all happened yet. Self fulfilling prophecies? Some think so. Believe it enough and voila! There it is. There's kazillion philosophies and explanations about it; religions have grown off it, like barnacles on a whale.
...classifying states of consciousness... that a teacher accessed in any tradition, is based on the same principles although the symbology and terms differ.
Sorry, man, I have no idea what you're talking about.
Who does the measuring of states of consciousness? Who determines the mean from which plus or minus may be determined? If the teacher, then who or what measures the teacher? From where does his or her standard arise? From another's standard, that's where. So what now? We have books of standards from which to judge our state of consciousness?
I'll go ALL-IN with the third optionWhere does this hierarchy come from? Who created it? Man? God? Charly the lizard?
My favorite new word is "apophasis".
Hi LindsayBruce, I like what you say. My favorite new word is "apophasis". I believe I've spent a lifetime investigating human ideas that are not true. Not false, either - but insufficient, inadequate, short, empty. At least I've narrowed down the field a bit.
No, we need a better measuring thingy than that. Virtue is a good one...This whale seems to be swimming in a bigger ocean.
Perhaps you are not swimming alone. Confucius suggested using the junzi - the best kind of person - as a yardstick. I wonder where he got that idea?
I'll second that!
This is the kind of answer I got when I asked why my friend did not get little brothers like I did. Her father was far away.Little Johnny - "What's a rainbow, Mummy?"
Mummy - " It's God smiling after the rain has come down"
Not false in the eyes of the child especially as we believe everything Mummy tells us. Maybe inadequate and short, however what a magical picture to have until when Johnny gets older he may want to tune into wikipedia for a more in depth view and get http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow.
I'm not sure which one is empty
Mike
I maintain that the moth could just as well, and in addition, have been practicing oneness with the tree! - rather than merely avoiding oneness with the gullet of a bird!
Clarity,
Office 17622,
PO Box 6945,
London.
W1A 6US
United Kingdom
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