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Thanks, Harmen, Brad was right!A good dictionary like the Hanyu Da Zidian can help you decide. In the case of gu 牿...
1. 關牛馬的圈欄. A circular fence for enclosing oxes or horses.
2. 從圈欄中放出來的牛馬. Oxes or horses which are released from within the circular fence...
Hi Dobro:So what makes the restaint of the young bull more auspicious than the restraint of the pig? I think it might be that the restraint of the bull allows you to actually *use* the animal's energy for your own useful purposes... A corral doesn't give you that sort of control. A headboard does.
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Cool, Rosada, I thing you get the point.Actually, I vote for "corral"... "Don't worry about everything, put up some boundries."
May be the Yi don't speaks only about CONTROL, but also about FREEDOM.
A bull in a corral is a fund for farmers, means future. An ox working is also a fund for farmers.
1. Brad is very precise in the translation of Chinese characters, always trying to find the "oldest" meaning of a character.
Hmmmm, I'm not sure if this is one of Brad's criteria. I mean, his translation of zhen ? as 'persistence' is an anachronism to me, because this meaning is relatively young, if I believe the Hanyu Da Zidian.
Charly said:Another example: I love LiSe page, but she is far from being a White Angel, she is quite able to throw a Scorpion in your face! If you don't trust me, ask Luis. (it's joke!)
What's the likelihood of it meaning 'freedom' in a hexagram which is all about restraint? What's the likelihood of it meaning 'control' in a hexagram which is all about restraint? I'd say there's a greater likelihood of it leaning to the control side of things.
Harmen, I'm thinking of buying the Wenlin software. I've communicated with the guys there and asked for a comparison between their product and the Rosetta Stone. They were really nice, of course. I know you use their software so, please, let me know if it is worth the price.
Bruce and Martin: exactly what Bruce says. The object is to tame. The object is not to liberate. (That would be Hex 40, probably.) A byproduct of the restraint of 26 might be freedom, but that's not what it's talking about. It talks about accumulation of energy, not freedom.
but what does "not dining at home" mean?
And what does "worthwhile to cross the great stream" mean, if not leaving the pen to accomplish something worthwhile after being tamed? There's a point and purpose behind all this taming.?
Also, what's the hoopra all about in line 6? Maybe the beast becomes the food of gods, or serves a higher purpose than its own. Isn't that liberation from lesser things?
Look if that 'liberation' idea works for you then go for it; I just don't see that idea as being central to what 26 is talking about. I think that's what we have Hex 40 for - to address 'liberation-type situations'.
Here's a cool example; at least I think it is.
Anyway, my point is that those primal instincts become much more effective when they have become refined. Taming and refining can share the same meaning, in this sense. I just hate to see a dog lose his spirit.
The object is to tame. The object is not to liberate... It talks about accumulation of energy, not freedom.
You can cut the nuts off a male pig, and you can say that frees the pig. I say not.
The pig also should say not! Cutting off nuts is not the sort of taming from which I Ching speaks. Freedom and taming don't exclude mutually.
The I Ching ever speaks to you and, almost ever, of you. For understand the line, put you in the role and place of each subject of the story.
In this story there are two subjects, by order, the pig or boar and the teeth or tusk. Could this story be fortunate for the boar? I think by no means. Could be fortunate for the tusk? Not ever.
Who is the fortunate guy in this bloody story? You, of course. But you are neither a boar nor a tusk, you could be a hunter, a primitive hunter.
But why the castration? It's no clear. There is some redundance. When something in a folktale makes no sense at all, cann't be a later adding. Later addings ever make sense, generlly a new sense for the story. When something sounds bizarre, generally is a remainder from an earlier forgotten story.
BTW, there is a big difference between, say, taming a tiger, which has no practical uses other than entertaining people in a Vegas casino, and raising/taming livestock and other working animals. The latter has several practical purposes, not the least of which is the feeding of those higher up in the food chain (I apologize to the vegetarians...) and the creation of "tools" for agricultural purposes (oxen and horses), for heavy work (elephants, for example), for protection (dogs, for example), for transportation and in many cases for war. And many more practical uses. This involves, confinement, coercion, submission and slaughter.
This morning, I woke up cheerful...
L
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