48. Ching / The Well

frank_r · Nov 11, 2008

meng said:
But Frank says it's located in around mid spine, or the little heart? Would like to know more about that.

rodaki said:
hi Meng,

same here, would love to hear more about the 'little heart'! Though empirically I can see how decisions may not in fact come from the mind but from the way we hold ourselves (spine)

rodaki

About the little heart or even better small heart this is the point Ming Men. this is the point of the so called Kidney yang. Which is viewed as the general fire(yang) of the body. With this point you can give people yang energy. It warms the gate of vitality.
Ming men controls the essences(the vital energy of your parents and ancestors).

There is this nice analogy from a cooking pot. This pot is filled with water, that is the availbele energy of man. But this energy is heated by the fire underneath. The water in the pot is the yin part of the power. The heat is the yang power. They both belong to the kidneys(the left and right kidney, the dualistic nature of the kidney. Ming Men gives the possibilty of motion(yang). Ming men is the active aspect of water. water is seen as the creative principle from which life comes into being.

In earlier ages, water was seen as primairy in the creation process. water is number one, the first created of the five phaes. Ming men is the yang line in kan, the soul as Bruce already pointed out.

If this Ming Men is depleted, than all organs lose some of their functions, yin and yang are deseased and changed. Then there is no place unaffected. And the strenght of our spine is a reflection of Ming Men. This is one of the most important points you treat with all kinds of back pain, or congenital problems.

How you can hold your spine as Rodaki pointed out is the most important way to show your real earthly and heavenly combined strenght.

Maybe Ming men(small heart) is also the spirit that is living in the well as Charly is telling us.

Frank

rodaki · Nov 11, 2008

aaa, Frank so nice to know! That explains the sensations I had sometimes at this part of the back . . One more thing to remember when I try to keep my back straight in front of the computer or when walking- thank you! :bows:

rodaki

maremaria · Nov 11, 2008

rodaki said:
By the way, in Greece tradition has it that bridges were built over a sacrificial victim and there is a very well known traditional poem/song about a bridge that kept collapsing at nights until the head of builders sacrificed his wife (Maria I'm sure you know this one ) but I didn't know about the chinese one . . it makes much more sense knowing it!

rodaki

Yes Rodaki , The bridge of Arta. But some people also offer a sacrifice when they build a new house, they used to slay a rooster in the foundations of a house. Don't really know if they continue to do it but I have memories about it.

ravenstar · Nov 11, 2008

meng said:
This is commentary on Wilhelm's commentary, even though I don't believe you did it consciously. But it sure lines up well with:

"However, there are two prerequisites for a satisfactory political or social organization of mankind. We must go down to the very foundations of life. For any merely superficial ordering of life that leaves its deepest needs unsatisfied is as ineffectual as if no attempt at order had ever been made. Carelessness-by which the jug is broken-is also disastrous. If for instance the military defense of a state is carried to such excess that it provokes wars by which the power of the state is annihilated, this is a breaking of the jug."

But you go further, and say that taking the safe road isn't always the way, that sometimes it takes a leap of faith to get to the good stuff.

Hi Meng,

Thanks! I only know Wilhelm from this site....so somehow my mind infiltrated this knowledge. I had no idea he'd written this....which by the way would have taken me a while to understand it!

ravenstar

maremaria · Nov 11, 2008

Frank , is it correct the Ming Men "s alternative name is "Door of Life" ?

The well is a kind of "door" to enter/reach the spring's water

ravenstar · Nov 11, 2008

frank_r said:
About the little heart or even better small heart this is the point Ming Men. this is the point of the so called Kidney yang. Which is viewed as the general fire(yang) of the body. With this point you can give people yang energy. It warms the gate of vitality.
Ming men controls the essences(the vital energy of your parents and ancestors).

There is this nice analogy from a cooking pot. This pot is filled with water, that is the availbele energy of man. But this energy is heated by the fire underneath. The water in the pot is the yin part of the power. The heat is the yang power. They both belong to the kidneys(the left and right kidney, the dualistic nature of the kidney. Ming Men gives the possibilty of motion(yang). Ming men is the active aspect of water. water is seen as the creative principle from which life comes into being.

In earlier ages, water was seen as primairy in the creation process. water is number one, the first created of the five phaes. Ming men is the yang line in kan, the soul as Bruce already pointed out.

If this Ming Men is depleted, than all organs lose some of their functions, yin and yang are deseased and changed. Then there is no place unaffected. And the strenght of our spine is a reflection of Ming Men. This is one of the most important points you treat with all kinds of back pain, or congenital problems.

How you can hold your spine as Rodaki pointed out is the most important way to show your real earthly and heavenly combined strenght.

Maybe Ming men(small heart) is also the spirit that is living in the well as Charly is telling us.

Frank

Wow Frank, again you're posts are so insightful!

Thought you might find this intersting.....In Reiki, the Teacher passes on an attunment to the student called 'The Way Of the Fire Dragon'. The first step is called 'kidney breathing, which each inhalation we imagine the kidneys expanding with fresh energy. The breath is seen as dark blue in color. To complete the energy circuit through the body, we must contract an acumpuncture point known as the Hui Yin. This closes off the 1st chakra so energy collects in the lower abdomen....which is seen as a white mist collecting at the base of the spine. Once we feel a connection we imagine the spine as a hollow tube. The breath enters this hollow tube and rises to the skull (as this is done we imagine the mist turning blue then vilet as it penetrates the skull and brain). Then the 'fire dragon energy' is transferred by drawing the Reiki symbols then holding the tongue to the upper palate and with a 'puff' the teacher blows the energy to the student's crown area or 7th chakra.

The brain, I've also heard called a 'neural net' which is our central processing area which also interfaces with the central nervous system that informs, distributess and analyzes data. This 'neural net' communicates with the rest of our nervous and the autonomic nervous system and our bodies in a web of constantly flowing information.

So your cooking pot would similar to the dragon breath which would run across this web of awarness and interact with other beings through verbal and non verbal communication? In other words what you experience will eventually travel across the web and impact our awareness. Likewise, my reactions would ripple across the web to you!

ravenstar

ravenstar · Nov 11, 2008

I thought of hex 48.5 all day at work today! Thank goodness we weren't busy. Something that LiSe said on Hex 48.4 kept my mind reeling...."Give your soul a myth" Now I do believe we can be informed by the ancient myths which when awakened try to recreate themselves from our personal experiences.

Could each of us write our own personal mythologies? Instead of constantly re-inventing what was before, could we become cocreators of our own personal history? And as we evolve could we continously keep extending it with our experience.

Then I thought of U.S. Presidential election and Obama who has himself started to create his own myth. As I thought this the line moved from 48.4 to 48.5.

I see alot of history in this symbol as well as future ideas, unconventional ways that will and have paved the way for new eras. It seems Obama came into power in a time of chaos when a return to more solid methods are neceassy to restore confidence and order of the people. It will take much responsibility, perseverance and patience as well as applying well thought out theories. He certainly couldn't jump to conclusions too quickly but when he does, I think he will be unshakable.

Einstein said "[We experience ourselves] as something separated from the rest, a kind of optical delusion of consciousness.....Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison"

ravenstar

meng · Nov 12, 2008

Cellular wells, fed/charged from the wellspring.

meng · Nov 12, 2008

Actually, I like the word charged, pertaining to the well. The idea of plugging into something ancient and infinite.

frank_r · Nov 12, 2008

maremaria said:
Frank , is it correct the Ming Men "s alternative name is "Door of Life" ?

The well is a kind of "door" to enter/reach the spring's water

Hello Maria,

You are right the door of life is the alternative name of Ming Men.

Frank

frank_r · Nov 12, 2008

ravenstar said:
So your cooking pot would similar to the dragon breath which would run across this web of awarness and interact with other beings through verbal and non verbal communication? In other words what you experience will eventually travel across the web and impact our awareness. Likewise, my reactions would ripple across the web to you!

ravenstar

Hello Ravenstar,

Yes, using Hui Yin, the meeting place of yin and yang. is also used with psycological disorders. Interesting you were learned to close this first chakra.
The chakra that has to do with the stomach and spleen, the sequence of King Wen (post heaven) and not the pre heaven, the one related with the kidneys what I always thought.
This I learned from a website that I found on your site.
This was a real eyeopener for me. Thanks for giving these insights!
So you close the cycle from the world and can be in contact with the pre- heaven cycle, the 2nd chakra.

And this was through your awarness that I learned this, this what you are calling the dragon breath. And about this dragon the Su Wen says the fire in the water is called the dragon fire. When the dragon moves the fire comes out. This is the co called yin fire, belonging to the kidneys.

Frank

maremaria · Nov 12, 2008

meng said:
Actually, I like the word charged, pertaining to the well. The idea of plugging into something ancient and infinite.

I like that !

rodaki · Nov 12, 2008

ravenstar said:
.....In Reiki, the Teacher passes on an attunment to the student called 'The Way Of the Fire Dragon'. The first step is called 'kidney breathing, which each inhalation we imagine the kidneys expanding with fresh energy. The breath is seen as dark blue in color. To complete the energy circuit through the body, we must contract an acumpuncture point known as the Hui Yin. This closes off the 1st chakra so energy collects in the lower abdomen....which is seen as a white mist collecting at the base of the spine. Once we feel a connection we imagine the spine as a hollow tube. The breath enters this hollow tube and rises to the skull (as this is done we imagine the mist turning blue then vilet as it penetrates the skull and brain). Then the 'fire dragon energy' is transferred by drawing the Reiki symbols then holding the tongue to the upper palate and with a 'puff' the teacher blows the energy to the student's crown area or 7th chakra.

hi Ravenstar,

reading what you wrote about "The way of the Dragon" made me think of what I was reading recently about kundalini (including some pretty scary experiences connected to that). Are the two connected in any way? And are these things someone might experience without training? Years ago I had felt a moving sensation on my spine, it felt more like a flower growing there, from its base till the point of the shoulderblades . . never felt it again since but it stuck in my mind . .

rodaki

rosada · Nov 12, 2008

Drinking from the clear, cold spring depends on its central and correct position.

Here we have the ruler of the hexagram. It is the light line between the two dark ones in the upper trigram and represents the water within the well rim; hence the idea of the clear, cold spring. As rulers of the hexagram, it stands at the disposal of the others because of its central, correct postion.
-Wilhelm

charly · Nov 12, 2008

rodaki said:
... thank you for doing all these posts with chinese, it had never occured to me before o ) but I can actually learn a bit of chinese here! (or, well, understand a bit . .)

Dora:

Your words are very kind. I enjoy very much doing this simple surveys and renderings. I try to encourage others to also enjoy chinese YI. Nowadays there are much online sources to search.

in Greece tradition has it that bridges were built over a sacrificial victim

I believe that's a very extended tradition. The good with the WELL SPIRIT is that's a living person, maybe bewitched, but not murdered. And the sacrifice demanded is of mainly symbolic value, a little coin, a pin.

I don't like human nor animal sacrifices, I believe that the mesage of the YI is a message of life.

Some chinese people also enjoy the story of Ximen Bao and how came to an end the sacrifie of the river bride, almost a folk story:

See it at: http://www.chinaculture.org/gb/en_aboutchina/2003-09/24/content_26349.htm

Best regards,

Charly

ravenstar · Nov 12, 2008

frank_r said:
Hello Ravenstar,

Yes, using Hui Yin, the meeting place of yin and yang. is also used with psycological disorders. Interesting you were learned to close this first chakra.
The chakra that has to do with the stomach and spleen, the sequence of King Wen (post heaven) and not the pre heaven, the one related with the kidneys what I always thought.
This I learned from a website that I found on your site.
This was a real eyeopener for me. Thanks for giving these insights!
So you close the cycle from the world and can be in contact with the pre- heaven cycle, the 2nd chakra.

And this was through your awarness that I learned this, this what you are calling the dragon breath. And about this dragon the Su Wen says the fire in the water is called the dragon fire. When the dragon moves the fire comes out. This is the co called yin fire, belonging to the kidneys.

Frank

Ah Frank, you''re so kind. We have both dipped our pails into the pool (well) of abundant energy.

I'm so glad you found that site so helpful. It has a wealth of information and shares it willingly with all.

Take care,
ravenstar

ravenstar · Nov 12, 2008

rodaki said:
hi Ravenstar,

reading what you wrote about "The way of the Dragon" made me think of what I was reading recently about kundalini (including some pretty scary experiences connected to that). Are the two connected in any way? And are these things someone might experience without training? Years ago I had felt a moving sensation on my spine, it felt more like a flower growing there, from its base till the point of the shoulderblades . . never felt it again since but it stuck in my mind . .

rodaki

Hi rodaki,

Reiki does awaken the 'sleeping dragon/serpent' when the attunement is done but with great gentleness. Reiki I creates subtle yet profound changes in your unconscious. It's so in keeping with THE WELL. The unconscious mind is propelled to look at its habits, beliefs, fears, expectations, and behaviour patterns and begins consciously reshaping its life from the inside out.

Most students that are 'ready' to be attuned have already begun their journey or quest to find themselves. It works through each chakra, helping us to let go of old and outworn energies we should have let go of a long time ago.

Interesting that you saw felt a sensation and the feeling of a flower growing there. That's exactly what the chakras look like....petals and stems. The stems usually stay closed but the petals are flexible, opening and closing, vibrating and turning according to different situations. The first petals (root or 1st chakra) flows downward, the seventh chakra upward....while the other petals flow outward and into your aura like satellite dishes, sending and receiving energy.

I have heard of trying to awaken the Kundalini before we are ready. That's why we need to travel up the rungs of Jacob's ladder, one at a time. The dangers of kundalini are given because of its intensity. Opening the centers should be a gradual process.

Also, the kundalini can be awakened in a healing or even a traumatic experience. It can be felt as a powerful rush of electiricty that runs from the root chakra through the spinal column and out through the crown. People who have experienced this are usually the ones that begin the quest of wanting to know and understand what they had experienced. Some develop healing and psychic powers. It does seem that one of the best places to start is The Well.

ravenstar

ravenstar · Nov 12, 2008

rosada said:
Drinking from the clear, cold spring depends on its central and correct position.

Here we have the ruler of the hexagram. It is the light line between the two dark ones in the upper trigram and represents the water within the well rim; hence the idea of the clear, cold spring. As rulers of the hexagram, it stands at the disposal of the others because of its central, correct postion.

I didn't want rosada's to get lost.

Be back after supper

ravenstar · Nov 13, 2008

rosada said:
Drinking from the clear, cold spring depends on its central and correct position.

Here we have the ruler of the hexagram. It is the light line between the two dark ones in the upper trigram and represents the water within the well rim; hence the idea of the clear, cold spring. As rulers of the hexagram, it stands at the disposal of the others because of its central, correct postion.

I think the central correct position is that of Balance. Perhaps the light line or middle line contains the energies of love, peace, belonging and understanding. It offers one the ability to heal, nurture, inspire and find solutions to problems. The other two sides could be the extremes of life…..of conflict, stress, unresolved hatred, dependency and misunderstandings. We’ve all been at these extremes at some time in our lives and we sure don’t like being there. The desire is to get back to the stability and peace of the ‘balanced center path'. To do this we have to be aware of the dark lines and the one of light. If we don’t life will push us into the extremes without us even realizing it……we’ll lose our balance and sway from one line to the other.

The person who has found this balance will magnetically attract others to him or her. He or she brings a light of hope to those that are watching him or her. As the word gets around and the public more aware, there will be a lot of responsibility and circumstances this person will have to weigh, identify, sort, ‘evenly distribute’ and juggled to keep his/her balance. The weight could actually be the responsibilities of others that have somehow landed on a person's shoulders.

ravenstar

rodaki · Nov 13, 2008

hello again!

I've come to think I'm just reflecting kindness here, Charly :bows:
By the way, it is only in sayings that those sacrifices are performed in Greece -I believe that actual practice had stopped in Greece since christian faith was spread, but Maria mentioned animal sacrifices which I hadn't heard of growing up in the city . .
(oh and thnx for the link! It's gonna take me some time to explore it in full but it is there with my study bookmarks!)

Hi ravenstar, it's only been a year since I've slowly started to realize things about flows of energy -my cynical streak didn't allow me to up to then and I'm still working thru that. I know there are so many things I do not know yet, things I would be too scared to look into without help from someone who knows better, but it's good to discover that some experiences were really real

and not figments of my wild imagination!
And you are right not wanting to let Rosada's post to get lost, with it things felt to be falling in place, no?

rodaki

ravenstar · Nov 14, 2008

rodaki said:
hello again!

Hi ravenstar, it's only been a year since I've slowly started to realize things about flows of energy -my cynical streak didn't allow me to up to then and I'm still working thru that. I know there are so many things I do not know yet, things I would be too scared to look into without help from someone who knows better, but it's good to discover that some experiences were really real and not figments of my wild imagination!
And you are right not wanting to let Rosada's post to get lost, with it things felt to be falling in place, no?

rodaki

Hi rodaki, and yes it was all falling in place. I just didn't want the other to miss rosada's commentary for line 6.

As I was thinking of The Well, my mind jumped to what I had learned in astrology class about the 6th house. My teacher said the 6th house is not the house of learning, it is the house of Transforming. The 6th house asks that we respect and regain the perfection of our original nature. We were told 'if you are not living right, you don't have the right motivation, if your not performing right, if you don't feel secure about what you have or haven't got it's going to affect your health.

We were also taught that this is the ho use of critical adjustment as well as the ho use of illness and health. People who have it in their chart, have to help others, to be of service but first they have to heal themselves

We were told we have to take of ourselves and not expect other people to. And to develop skills that are useful and help others and get a job we like doing.

So the 6th house is about improving things, of trying to improve our performance whether we win or lose by it. Win or lose we're still going to improve our situation. We can always improved who we are.

What do others think? I know there's a few astrologers out there.....could the 6th house be related to The Well?

Also, 48.6 changes to Hexagram 57. On LiSe's site she says it is the blueprint or seal one carries. Is this blueprint our DNA? Is this about creating and evolving a nervous system that will allow more data to move through our consciousness? Is it about awakening brain cells that have laid dormant for a very long time.

And Frank, is the pineal gland (3rd eye) connected with the 6th line. After all it does open the mind of man to spiritual faith, through which all things are possible. Faith, or Belief is said to create an energy that is a thousands times more powerful than electricity. Certainly sounds like the Kundalini doesn't it rodaki?

Now we know the spine is the tunnel through which our consciousness ascends and the more our enery and awareness is 'uplifted' in the spine it will project to our brain, the frontal lobe (3rd eye), and the higher our level of awarness will be. Is this in keeping with line 6? Could it alter our frequency? Do the words (vibrations) we choose trigger codes that are stored deep inside our bodies from a cellular memory or our DNA?

ravenstar

meng · Nov 14, 2008

ravenstar said:
Hi rodaki, and yes it was all falling in place. I just didn't want the other to miss rosada's commentary for line 6.

As I was thinking of The Well, my mind jumped to what I had learned in astrology class about the 6th house. My teacher said the 6th house is not the house of learning, it is the house of Transforming. The 6th house asks that we respect and regain the perfection of our original nature. We were told 'if you are not living right, you don't have the right motivation, if your not performing right, if you don't feel secure about what you have or haven't got it's going to affect your health.

We were also taught that this is the ho use of critical adjustment as well as the ho use of illness and health. People who have it in their chart, have to help others, to be of service but first they have to heal themselves

We were told we have to take of ourselves and not expect other people to. And to develop skills that are useful and help others and get a job we like doing.

So the 6th house is about improving things, of trying to improve our performance whether we win or lose by it. Win or lose we're still going to improve our situation. We can always improved who we are.

What do others think? I know there's a few astrologers out there.....could the 6th house be related to The Well?

Also, 48.6 changes to Hexagram 57. On LiSe's site she says it is the blueprint or seal one carries. Is this blueprint our DNA? Is this about creating and evolving a nervous system that will allow more data to move through our consciousness? Is it about awakening brain cells that have laid dormant for a very long time.

And Frank, is the pineal gland (3rd eye) connected with the 6th line. After all it does open the mind of man to spiritual faith, through which all things are possible. Faith, or Belief is said to create an energy that is a thousands times more powerful than electricity. Certainly sounds like the Kundalini doesn't it rodaki?

Now we know the spine is the tunnel through which our consciousness ascends and the more our enery and awareness is 'uplifted' in the spine it will project to our brain, the frontal lobe (3rd eye), and the higher our level of awarness will be. Is this in keeping with line 6? Could it alter our frequency? Do the words (vibrations) we choose trigger codes that are stored deep inside our bodies from a cellular memory or our DNA?

ravenstar

Works for me.

rosada · Nov 14, 2008

48.6
Six at the top means:
One draws from the well
Without hindrance.
It is dependable.
Supreme good fortune.

The well is there for all. No one is forbidden to take water from it. No matter how many come, all find what they need, for the well is dependable. It has a spring and never runs dry. Therefore it is a great blessing to the whole land. The same is true of the really great man, whose inner wealth is inexhaustible; the more that people draw from him, the greater his wealth becomes.
-Wilhelm

charly · Nov 14, 2008

rosada said:
48.6
Six at the top means:
One draws from the well
Without hindrance.
It is dependable.
Supreme good fortune.
...

Hi Rosada:

I wonder if Wilhelm and Legge had read the same line:

48.6: «The topmost SIX, divided, shows (the water from) the well brought to the top, which is not allowed to be covered. This suggests the idea of sincerity. There will be great good fortune.»
Lege

chinese characters, pinyin, usual meanings, WILHELM-BAYNES:

井 jing3: well / spring / pit / mine / [THE] WELL
收 shou1: to receive / to accept / [ONE] DRAWS [FROM THE]
勿 wu4: do not / WITHOUT
幕 mu4: curtain / tent / command place / HINDRANCE

有 you3: to have / there is / there are / [IT] IS
孚 fu2: trust / sincerity / captive / DEPENDABLE
元 yuan2: supreme / primary / first / SUPREME
吉 ji2: lucky / fortunate / GOOD FORTUNE

Maybe more straightforward:

[THE] WELL ACCEPTS NO TENTS
the well does not recognize political authority (1)
does not accept gang's «protection»
or else: do not commerce with the well (2)

THERE IS [A] CAPTIVE [INSIDE]
for there is a sacred spirit residing inside (3)

PRIMORDIAL
the most important, first thing

LUCKY
to remember it will be fortunate

Best regards,

Charly
______________________________________

(1) Also: general’s or governor's office when in campaign / advisors, lobbists, it reminds the YURTS of mongolian chieftains.

(2) Tents are also associated with LITTLE TRADE, travelling sellers.

(3) Also gods or goddesses.

(4) Gia-Fu version says: «WELL FULL. NEVER COVERED. HAVE FAITH. PRIME LUCK.»
From the site of Frank Kegan. Maybe more straightforward but a less personified well.

ravenstar · Nov 15, 2008

charly said:
Hi Rosada:

I wonder if Wilhelm and Legge had read the same line:

chinese characters, pinyin, usual meanings, WILHELM-BAYNES:

井 jing3: well / spring / pit / mine / [THE] WELL
收 shou1: to receive / to accept / [ONE] DRAWS [FROM THE]
勿 wu4: do not / WITHOUT
幕 mu4: curtain / tent / command place / HINDRANCE

有 you3: to have / there is / there are / [IT] IS
孚 fu2: trust / sincerity / captive / DEPENDABLE
元 yuan2: supreme / primary / first / SUPREME
吉 ji2: lucky / fortunate / GOOD FORTUNE

Maybe more straightforward:

[THE] WELL ACCEPTS NO TENTS
the well does not recognize political authority (1)
does not accept gang's «protection»
or else: do not commerce with the well (2)

THERE IS [A] CAPTIVE [INSIDE]
for there is a sacred spirit residing inside (3)

PRIMORDIAL
the most important, first thing

LUCKY
to remember it will be fortunate

Best regards,

Charly
______________________________________

(1) Also: general’s or governor's office when in campaign / advisors, lobbists, it reminds the YURTS of mongolian chieftains.

(2) Tents are also associated with LITTLE TRADE, travelling sellers.

(3) Also gods or goddesses.

(4) Gia-Fu version says: «WELL FULL. NEVER COVERED. HAVE FAITH. PRIME LUCK.»
From the site of Frank Kegan. Maybe more straightforward but a less personified well.

Wow! Thanks Charly!

I'm really glad you used the straightforward version, especially for me

!

In reagard to.....

[THE] WELL ACCEPTS NO TENTS
the well does not recognize political authority (1)
does not accept gang's «protection»
or else: do not commerce with the well (2)

To say it perhaps a different way.....when we take an idea, thought and become attached to it, run with it, we corrupt it? We lose the truth by seeing 'only one way' or what we could gain or show for it?

Is it similar to say....we've put a fence around our consciousness. What about habits of perception.....they can prevent us from seeing fully. They clog up our awareness through beliefs, prejudices and opinions.

Interesting post!

ravenstar

frank_r · Nov 16, 2008

ravenstar said:
And Frank, is the pineal gland (3rd eye) connected with the 6th line. After all it does open the mind of man to spiritual faith, through which all things are possible. Faith, or Belief is said to create an energy that is a thousands times more powerful than electricity. Certainly sounds like the Kundalini doesn't it rodaki?

Now we know the spine is the tunnel through which our consciousness ascends and the more our enery and awareness is 'uplifted' in the spine it will project to our brain, the frontal lobe (3rd eye), and the higher our level of awarness will be. Is this in keeping with line 6? Could it alter our frequency? Do the words (vibrations) we choose trigger codes that are stored deep inside our bodies from a cellular memory or our DNA?

ravenstar

I think that's a very interesting remark you make here. The 6th line is the line of Spirit, at least for me, and the pineal gland is the place of were you can influence this Higher Spirit. (Pineal translated in Dutch is Pain tree , the pain we feel that we are driven out of paradise, that we are not One.)
In acupuncture you have a direct influence on this part of the brain at the point Bladder one, this is the point just near the eye on the inner side. And eyes as the mirror of the soul have a connection with your heart and also your etheroul soul.
And the 6 th line has a connection with the idea of paradise(especially this line).

Frank

frank_r · Nov 16, 2008

46.6

rosada said:
48.6
Six at the top means:
One draws from the well
Without hindrance.
It is dependable.
Supreme good fortune.

The well is there for all. No one is forbidden to take water from it. No matter how many come, all find what they need, for the well is dependable. It has a spring and never runs dry. Therefore it is a great blessing to the whole land. The same is true of the really great man, whose inner wealth is inexhaustible; the more that people draw from him, the greater his wealth becomes.
-Wilhelm

Now we are at the last line of 48. From here we make a very big jump. We already are outside the time of the well. The trigram water is changing into wind, that is part of the element of wood. The element of the beginning.
This line is yin on a yin place, it has good connections with the 5th and the 3th line. So in that way it is a perfect line.
With this line we know what our character is bringing us and now we are free to make the adjustments needed in 49, that we can make the revolution worthwhile. We can make real changes, changes that were in our mind already for a very long time. Now we make the jump to the other side, now we can finish what was bothering us since hexagram 17 and 18. Here we can alter longlasting problems, problems that were on the level of the DNA. As long we drink from this well with the clear and pure water we have the guidance of the Spirits, we really can become One.

Frank

BTW, Ravenstar, you asked a while ago about the chakra's and 48. I made a new thread about that http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?p=80948#post80948

ravenstar · Nov 16, 2008

frank_r said:
I think that's a very interesting remark you make here. The 6th line is the line of Spirit, at least for me, and the pineal gland is the place of were you can influence this Higher Spirit. (Pineal translated in Dutch is Pain tree , the pain we feel that we are driven out of paradise, that we are not One.)
In acupuncture you have a direct influence on this part of the brain at the point Bladder one, this is the point just near the eye on the inner side. And eyes as the mirror of the soul have a connection with your heart and also your etheroul soul.
And the 6 th line has a connection with the idea of paradise(especially this line).

Frank

Hi Frank,

How interesting the Pineal in Dutch is Pain Tree.

I do know the Pineal gland has a way of holding back our thoughts from charging ahead recklessly and carelessly. It forces us to submerge into our own subconscious waters to see into our thoughts creating a cause and effect kind of reaction within us (should I or shouldn't I and what will happen if). When this happens we have a tendency to fall back in ourselves, kind of like a falling star or a falling angel. When this happens our whole energy pattern contracts, we become deeply tuned into our own upside down tree (the kabbala?). Could this be the pain you speak of? A feeling of being disconnected or a decrease in vibrational frequency?

But when we do plug into our own 'radio' doesn't the pineal magnetize a spiritual light that stimulates it to stand straight up attracting and releasing a tremendous amount of powerful energy? I've also read this gland actually contains a lens system and color sensing cells, like an eye that looks as if it is pointing towards the Heavens with perfect 20/20 vision. Hmm, makes me think of a prism which cascades all colors of the rainbow when light flows through it.

ravenstar

ravenstar · Nov 17, 2008

The same is true of the really great man, whose inner wealth is inexhaustible; the more that people draw from him, the greater his wealth becomes.
-Wilhelm

As a person they (he/she) likely would have a strong spiritual vibration (like Frank said, with the ability to move freely back and forth between the world of the intellect and the world of the unconscious. Their depth of character and inner strength radiates into the world around them…..this could be from experiencing life with a penetrating depth and clarity that gives them amazing insight into others. People would look to them for advice, counsel and support. . They are supportive rather than confrontational.

This person would also have the ability to listen to others, to give them words to describe their experiences. In a way they are a catalyst, a transformer for they intuitively understand the symbols of the unconscious mind and have the ability to translate them into words for themselves and others. I bet they’d make an excellent counselor, and an expressive writer, philosopher, artist, poet. They may have trained their mind to use deep meditative states to gain information and to heal themselves and others. A highly emotive and inspirational speaker.

ravenstar

meng · Nov 17, 2008

ravenstar said:
But when we do plug into our own 'radio' doesn't the pineal magnetize a spiritual light that stimulates it to stand straight up attracting and releasing a tremendous amount of powerful energy?

I love quantum porn!

Popular translations appear to agree on this one (yes, it does occasionally happen), that line 6 says: do not cover up the well. Leave it open. Don't try to preserve it, you can't exhaust it.

48. Ching / The Well

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