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Hi, I decided to ask if there will be a nuclear escalation of the Russia Ucraina war, the answer is 21-1-2. I have no idea if returning means that could happens something happened yet (Hiroshima?). Please let me know what you think
 

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You have written 24.1>2 in the title and 21.1>2 in your post so am guessing the 21.1 >2 is a typo as 21.1 does not change to 2

24.1 is a good answer but certainly no answer is a reason to relax with this
 

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You have written 24.1>2 in the title and 21.1>2 in your post so am guessing the 21.1 >2 is a typo as 21.1 does not change to 2

24.1 is a good answer but certainly no answer is a reason to relax with this
sorry but 24.1 goes to 2!
 

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I know 24.1 goes to 2 but in your first post you wrote 21.2>2 here


Hi, I decided to ask if there will be a nuclear escalation of the Russia Ucraina war, the answer is 21-1-2.
You wrote 21 instead of 24

I explained it here

You have written 24.1>2 in the title and 21.1>2 in your post
Your title says 24.1 2 and your first post says 21.1 that is what I was aiming to clarify.


I take it you did mean 24.1>2 not 21.2, it's a typo, you can see it there in the first post for yourself.
 

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No worries. It happens.
So what hexagram and line did you get?
(I still say "No". Either I'll be right or there wont be anyone left to say I'm wrong.:unsure:)
 

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You will be left, Rosada, you live in the States!!!
I will be the first one to go. It was nice to meet you.

I dare to say some nuclear bombs will fall sooner or later. If not, why is everybody storing them up?
 

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I also casted about that and got a 3 I think. Then I casted again about something similar and got 3 as relating hex.

Sorry I can't be specific now, but it struck me as I got 3 twice.
Chaos at the beginning.

Anyway sticking to the cast, I agree 24.1 is a positive answer. Someone will change their mind and turn back from where they first intended to go.
 

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I am glad you asked this question because a couple of weeks ago I felt guided to ask 'what do I need to know about the war in Ukraine'
and the answer was
63.1.3.5.6>23. a very descriptive answer, considering what has been going on, but I was most worried about about line 6,
'Soaking your head. Danger.'
I felt that this made nuclear war a distinct possibility, and after reading these postings on the topic, I thought I should ask the same question. Yi has given me an answer that looks quite positive, the images in particular give me hope that the war won't turn nuclear:
61.5>41
61 ‘Above the lake is the wind: Inner Truth.
A noble one deliberates over legal proceedings and delays executions.’


Line 5: ‘There is truth and confidence as a bond.
No mistake.’


41 ‘Below the mountain is the lake. Decreasing.
A noble one curbs anger and restrains desires.’
 

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A noble one deliberates over legal proceedings and delays executions.’

A noble one curbs anger and restrains desires.’
ahahah there's probably too many noble people here :lol: but the lines are really spot on!! Let's hope they will both choose the noble way :rolleyes2:
 

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No worries. It happens.
So what hexagram and line did you get?
(I still say "No". Either I'll be right or there wont be anyone left to say I'm wrong.:unsure:)
No worries. It happens.
So what hexagram and line did you get?
(I still say "No". Either I'll be right or there wont be anyone left to say I'm wrong.:unsure:)
I got 24.1 to 2 :)
 

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The Forest of Changes for this seems rather on point with its description here.

24 to 2

Reason cannot overcome emotion,
And the desire for selfish plotting.
Greedily seeking profits produces danger,
Breaking horns, breaking necks.


Again, as the yi is rather literal, I would avoid reading too much into this over a vague and unclear query. Will there be nuclear escalation? Well, what kind of escalation? We could argue it already has escalated into the nuclear arena with Putin's threats many times.

Too vague, and yet indeed it does indicate the state of Putin's decision making process.

But what is really going on here?

To me this taps into the big question as to whether a line indicated by a 6 or a 9 is actually changing, or is merely activated and involved in change.

So above we have this idea of 24 becoming 2 when line 1 changes from yang to yin.

However, this hexagram is all about the return of yang at the bottom, at line 1. So why would it be changing? What would cause it to change? Perhaps in its activity we are given guidance on how to navigate that change rather than a verdict that it is inevitable.

The line statement reads: It returns from not far away. It does not extol regret. There are primacy and good fortune.

The Yi River Commentary appears to explore this a bit:
... "It does not extol regret": this indicates that it does not reach the point f regret. A line statement in the Pit hexagram says: "It has extolled what is level. There is no blame." [29 line 5] This signifies that it has reached what is level. Fuzi says that the excess of Yanzi, which is without form or clarity, is "incipient in its degree," indicating that "it does not extol regret." If an excess does not yet have a form, and one is already modifying it, how could it be a source for regret? As for those who are incapable of centrality without exhortation, but whose desires do not overshoot the statutes, theirs is a case of excess. Nonetheless, they are enlightened and firm, and this is why they do not taste the failure to recognize anything that is not good. Since they recognize it, they also do not taste the failure to hastily modify themselves, and this is why they do not reach the point of regret, which is to return "from not far away." Concerning the word "extol," [speaks of support for this perspective]. The Symbol says: "'It returns from not far away': it corrects itself." "It returns from not far away": this is the way noble people correct themselves. It is none other than the way of learning and asking questions. It is simply to recognize what is not good, and then to modify oneself quickly so as to attend to the good, and that is all.

So here we can see that the perspective of active change vs inevitable change is supported, in the notion that the line's change engenders a return from mistakes if one does not stray too far from the correct way of things.

"As for those who are incapable of centrality without exhortation, but whose desires do not overshoot the statutes, theirs is a case of excess."

Here is a key line for gauging Putin. The line is clearly in allowance of those who stray from what is right and need to be strongly urged to step back into line, and this too is considered 'returning from not far away.' The question is whether or not his desires will overshoot the statutes, whatever those are. My read is thresholds that once past cannot be returned from.

Again, this indicates that there is room for navigation within activated lines of change before we move beyond their thresholds into - in this case a yang line turning to yin by fully using up its yang energy - a shift of polarity. And the hexagram itself indicates the proclivity of these thresholds. In some cases it is easy for a line to transform, in others - like this one - it is not so easy and one has to really go beyond the proper measure of things to do so.

So will Putin do that? IMO the answer is suggesting that there is yet room for correction, for the yang line in hexagram 24 is a powerful and potent energy that is not easily overstepped.

In conclusion I would take the Forest of Changes lines to indicate what happens when this line does capitulate, but overall that we are not there yet and there is room yet for a return from not far away.
 

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The Forest of Changes for this seems rather on point with its description here.

24 to 2

Reason cannot overcome emotion,
And the desire for selfish plotting.
Greedily seeking profits produces danger,
Breaking horns, breaking necks.


Again, as the yi is rather literal, I would avoid reading too much into this over a vague and unclear query. Will there be nuclear escalation? Well, what kind of escalation? We could argue it already has escalated into the nuclear arena with Putin's threats many times.

Too vague, and yet indeed it does indicate the state of Putin's decision making process.

But what is really going on here?

To me this taps into the big question as to whether a line indicated by a 6 or a 9 is actually changing, or is merely activated and involved in change.

So above we have this idea of 24 becoming 2 when line 1 changes from yang to yin.

However, this hexagram is all about the return of yang at the bottom, at line 1. So why would it be changing? What would cause it to change? Perhaps in its activity we are given guidance on how to navigate that change rather than a verdict that it is inevitable.

The line statement reads: It returns from not far away. It does not extol regret. There are primacy and good fortune.

The Yi River Commentary appears to explore this a bit:


So here we can see that the perspective of active change vs inevitable change is supported, in the notion that the line's change engenders a return from mistakes if one does not stray too far from the correct way of things.

"As for those who are incapable of centrality without exhortation, but whose desires do not overshoot the statutes, theirs is a case of excess."

Here is a key line for gauging Putin. The line is clearly in allowance of those who stray from what is right and need to be strongly urged to step back into line, and this too is considered 'returning from not far away.' The question is whether or not his desires will overshoot the statutes, whatever those are. My read is thresholds that once past cannot be returned from.

Again, this indicates that there is room for navigation within activated lines of change before we move beyond their thresholds into - in this case a yang line turning to yin by fully using up its yang energy - a shift of polarity. And the hexagram itself indicates the proclivity of these thresholds. In some cases it is easy for a line to transform, in others - like this one - it is not so easy and one has to really go beyond the proper measure of things to do so.

So will Putin do that? IMO the answer is suggesting that there is yet room for correction, for the yang line in hexagram 24 is a powerful and potent energy that is not easily overstepped.

In conclusion I would take the Forest of Changes lines to indicate what happens when this line does capitulate, but overall that we are not there yet and there is room yet for a return from not far away.
Thank you very much for you detailed analysis. Yes of course the meaning is Putin has not decided yet. But there is hope. Ciao!
 

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