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Hujambo

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In relation to the thread (1st question) and without wanting to give you a crash course in this stuff. Here is how each example appears when I review the page source.

Post 2 example.
Code:
I haven't
So the find and replace would be something like
FIND
Code:
'
REPLACE WITH
Code:
 '    or just the character itself - in this case, an apostrophe.
Post 3 example.
Karcher?s ?Steps of Change? and Mundo Secter?s ?Transitional Hexagrams?
In this case, the question mark is not being treated as a special character, so we just have to live with it. It's not worth the effort.

How this happened depends on how it was recorded in the original database prior to import. As well as whatever craziness the techs were up to when they did the import. cheiron could have been using a non-english keyboard, an unusual browser setup, his default language on his computer could have been different, who knows? This rich-text editor I am typing in now is much smarter than what was available at the time.

Yes, I was at Hilary's blog for a bit earlier today, very nice. Hey Lisa, what is the Yi part of my brain? I sometimes wonder if I should take the time to explain just how intuitively I understand technology. Hexagrams, binary systems, DNA - the power of iteration and infinite unique combinations in a closed or open system, they're all in relationship in my strange brain. It freaks people out, but none so much as me when I go on a negative spiral, as one does, that also seems endless. ;)
 

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[Edited: IGNORE! Cross-posting! Already answered! :D]

I wonder if the following might have something to do with the quote mark / apostrophe issue. (Again, this doesn't matter, except maybe just for information or if it might apply to more things than quote marks and apostrophes.)

This thread:

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?20914-Horrible-noise-7-1-gt-19

in post #11 which I was working on earlier this morning.

The quotation marks in the first forum-quote-tagged section (the blue box) are different from each other, and, in one case, also different from how they appeared on the website I copy-pasted from.

Here are screen clips, first of the original source, and then the forum quote box:





Look at the words pitch-pipes in each, when there are single quotes around them. In the original, the left and right quote marks appear (to me) to be the same left-to-right angled mark, although we don't know for sure that they're as identical as they look. In the forum quote box, the left mark looks like a straight mark, and the right one is angled.

Here's what happens when the post is edited. In the edit box, the single quote marks are curly, and the left mark's curl is distinct from the right mark's:



One other thing people have noticed before, which may or may not have anything to do with this topic - sometimes "Go Advanced" editing behaves differently from other times. It was briefly discussed in this thread, particularly posts #8 and #9:

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?19580-Has-the-forum-changed-fonts

Again, just because we notice something doesn't mean it needs time spent on it. Am mentioning it just in case it pertains to what you might try to do. :)
 

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Mega-huge cross-posting!! Ignore everything I just said, you already answered it! :D :rofl: (Thank you for the explanations about the single question marks - a ton of possible causes, and yes we can easily live with it.)

Yes, it's interesting how people's brains are different. People who can do complicated mental arithmetic - that's probably intuitive as well, and I don't understand it.

(It's sad that it has negative effects on you, though. Bah humbug, begone bad stuff. :mad: (if only it was that simple).)
 

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One tip that may be useful is try to avoid copying text directly from a web page into the vBulletin editor. Reason being you have no way to know what unnecessary code you may be copying over. As in my example earlier there is an extra "& a m p ;" that you can't see because the browser translates it for you.

To achieve a more consistent result, try pasting the text from the page into a plain-text editor, such as Notepad which cannot display anything other than plain text so it removes all the formatting. Then just select the text again from Notepad and copy it into the editor. It's not necessary, but if it isn't looking right, that will get rid of any superfluous guff. In fact, I almost always draft in Notepad because it's closest to pen and paper, distraction free writing, instead of being too-smart for it's/my own good.

Appreciate the note on the fonts, it's quite useful.

I guess all things have their positive and negative sides - except perhaps illusions. Had you considered it's possible those mental arithmetic gurus might not be using the tiny, wee, tip-of-the-iceberg, conscious part of their minds to do the calculations? That's what seems to happen to me, even though it took forever to trust the process. These days I just shoot off a request to the iceberg proper, and eventually (like a microwave) - ding! it pops up an answer for me. Part of my mind knows what can and cannot be, I have found that to be the case with everyone, but different people use that capacity in different ways. I tell myself that's why there is more than one human. Get us thinking collectively and all the different ways we use our minds could connect to make an awe-inspiring whole.

It's been a joy conversing with you Lisa. thank you:bows:
 

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One tip that may be useful is try to avoid copying text directly from a web page into the vBulletin editor. Reason being you have no way to know what unnecessary code you may be copying over. As in my example earlier there is an extra "& a m p ;" that you can't see because the browser translates it for you.

To achieve a more consistent result, try pasting the text from the page into a plain-text editor, such as Notepad which cannot display anything other than plain text so it removes all the formatting. Then just select the text again from Notepad and copy it into the editor. It's not necessary, but if it isn't looking right, that will get rid of any superfluous guff.
Ohh, good idea, thank you.

Appreciate the note on the fonts, it's quite useful.
Oh good! I have no idea how to make it happen on purpose, or what causes it.

Had you considered it's possible those mental arithmetic gurus might not be using the tiny, wee, tip-of-the-iceberg, conscious part of their minds to do the calculations?
Yes, I think that's it exactly. If it was conscious, you'd think it would be potentially learnable and more people would be able to do it.

It's been a joy conversing with you Lisa. thank you:bows:
Likewise! :)
 

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