ever got overly optimistic cast?

[dragona]

I found the above rather helpful here - feels like your thread would benefit more in the SR forum, cause now it's like it's trying to walk on two different planes at once . .
Right,that is why I did not say about the background much...
just hoped for Charley to break it down for me all the way but ladies are trying to be helpful also

To go back to the 'optimism/pessimism' approach, it is often all a matter of pov, maybe sometimes a mirage - if you want to see the positive aspects you'll do just that even in the darkest lines and vice versa . . Besides, I don't always find the all-positive view of things, helpful; sometimes we need to dwell on the darker side, sometimes we are enriched by looking into the 'negative' aspects, the dangers, the fears the doubts . . it's ok to be there, it's human and it can also be immensely creative and fruitful.

Besides, the all-shining nature of some answers might even come as a challenge - the question then becomes, are you up to it?[/QUOTE]

Hmmm...well, if you are being encouraged, I suppose you should think being up to it...
I don`t really try to find something good in less then a cheery line, so to speak, I take it as it is - if I can grasp the meaning better, that is another thing...the feeling that unwanted cast brings makes one try with another question...and I think it happens a lot, it is a hard habit to break.
It is harder with multiple moving lines, sometimes there are two "not so positive" and the last one is, where for example I tend to think "it will all work out well in the end"...and there is the danger, I think...there is a process to go through in a certain way to get there....and one can feel so stupid afterwards, especially when doing different from advised in the reading and the outcome does not pan out.

 

[answeredquestions]

there is a process to go through in a certain way to get there.

Learning experiences for sure if we don't get a good result. Do you keep a journal of your casts?

 

[dragona]

Learning experiences for sure if we don't get a good result. Do you keep a journal of your casts?

Meh, we learn what we want to learn, not even what we are ready to
Not a journal, but intend to buy Hilary`s book and destroy it with nothes
The problem with multiple changing lines is that I (suppose many as well) tend to read it chronologically and take out of them what suits the mind.
Well, as you can see, I got a lot to learn

(fwy C. my last dream cast was 27.4/20.4? )meow

 

[Trojina]

BTW although we have moved on I just happened to find this thread when looking for something else...thought it might interest you Dragona as it relates to what we spoke about 'empty answers'


http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=8385

 

[dragona]

Thank you trojan, good thread!
This "problem" does not get old, good to have it revisited...
I also had the notion that perhaps when we get hexes 25 or 4 (even more so, unchanged) that is a message "it is not defined yet, things are in works, puzzles falling into place" of sort...I think that may be the case if one is asking about something that is being decided upon while asking and he/she could influence it by behaving or not the way oracle suggested in the first place.

 

[Trojina]

Thank you trojan, good thread!
This "problem" does not get old, good to have it revisited...
I also had the notion that perhaps when we get hexes 25 or 4 (even more so, unchanged) that is a message "it is not defined yet, things are in works, puzzles falling into place" of sort...I think that may be the case if one is asking about something that is being decided upon while asking and he/she could influence it by behaving or not the way oracle suggested in the first place.

Yes absolutely agree ! Not all is known yet. If I ask if something will happen and I get 25 unchanging I take it as a "who knows, maybe maybe not". It isn't yet known what others will do...we don't yet know how things may turn out.

Often newbies assume Yi will tell them how things will be, always thinking the answer is a prediction. I'd say 70% of the time the answer is not a prediction its merely reflecting where you are. Infact thats pretty much the point to me of consulting in the first place, to find out where I am. You can see why answers will be less than clear when you ask what others will do.

I think you answered Arabella with a reading which I thought didn't predict, think it was 6.2.5>35. I think you said it was still open. No certain outcome one way or the other. I agreed with you.


Here http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=15162 there was no certain prediction there was there. No one could really have said "yes you will get the place" or "no you won't get the place" with that reading I don't think ...bargaining was still going on and the lines were contradictory so there would have been no point making a prediction IMO

You saw that as you said 'its not settled yet'

 

[dragona]

There with that thread, a. was given an advice tru the moving lines for what she could do, as I have seen it.
I think its even more emphasized as things being in the works when we get hex 4 unchanged (depending on the question asked, of course).
Once I got it for asking about my friend who met a future girlfriend and prior to that was spending a lot of time with me - unusually lot, so I missed him and wondered how things will unfold- can`t remember how I phrased it, but I got hex 4 unchanged. after one cast that from Bradfords was explained in detail how things stood from my end.
So I took hex 4 as saying: "You just don`t know, they are beginning things there and you are the 3rd party" ..and so it was, the 3rd wheel soon fell off ...:bag:

There is this ongoing situation with violetka who wants to know if she will get fired and I think the boss is still deciding, according to her progress
http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=15164 (she also got 4 unchanged, by my fault)

Often newbies assume Yi will tell them how things will be, always thinking the answer is a prediction. I'd say 70% of the time the answer is not a prediction its merely reflecting where you are. Infact thats pretty much the point to me of consulting in the first place, to find out where I am. You can see why answers will be less than clear when you ask what others will do.

I started with Yi through C. Anthony`s book and I took it all as to be approached tru tao, self analyzing, middle way approach and it used to calm me down a lot when I had to be working with different people. I am fond of that philosophy, so that worked for me. Composure.
Somewhere it was said something in terms of Yi being conversation with oneself through cleansed channel for intuition, or that is what I gathered it to be.

 

[tuckchang]

for your reference

Hex 4: 瀆du2 (importunity of Wilhelm translation) is better understood as insincerity. 瀆du2 originally signifies a ditch and is extended to the meaning of showing disrespect. The teacher will refuse to give answer if the student insincerely repeats the same question. The education system of two or three thousand years ago was a kind of apprenticeship; the student must believe in the teacher like a diviner’s faith in divination. Also for your information, divining by the tortoise was always done twice for of one question, i.e. if and if not. Therefore in my opinion, the problem doesn’t come form how many times but the attitude.

Hex 14: the image of Hex 14 illustrates that the feminine 14. 5 possesses all the masculine lines, i.e. all the resources, and it sustains 14.6, the one at the shrine’s position, signifying all resources will converge to the country and be distributed to all the people. According to the political appeal in ancient China, 民min2 (people) 為wei2(to act as) 天tian (heaven), 民(people) 以yi3 (to use as) 食shi2(food stuff) 為天(heaven) can be literally understood as the people are heaven, and food stuff is the heaven of the people. It won’t be too difficult to understand the true meaning of 14.6.

Regards
Tuck
www.iching123.com

 

[dragona]

Today, I think I should take it as a compliment:bows:

Love your online book, thank you for sharing