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Hi all,

If we ask to the I ching if a course of action is appropiate, and he shows up with Hex 16 with no changing lines, is this an affirmation? Or there´s something hidden in its meaning?

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Some keywords for Yu Enthusiasm

Always from Balkin's ( I love his work :)

Preparing for
Enjoyment

That is, there is the meaning of enthusiasm, but also the meaning of necessary preparations, hope this helps, not knowing the exact question it is difficult to say more.

Bashir
 

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Thanks Bashir,

This is the following up of a long story, its in another threading I called ¨Painful Courtship¨ but somehow, I thought that maybe it would be useful to post it now as something generic, thus helping other people with the understanding on the iching... But of course the meanings can be so diferent..

So, basically, I was trying to find what was the problem regarding a girl I try to date, I asked the iching and showed me:

Hex 45 Changing line 6 resulting hexagram 12

When I saw this, I suddenly, (like magically because I didn't thought about before) realized myself that a friend of that girl, that seems a little bit jealous of me being attracted to her friend, is trying to get me off of her friend, or maybe that the girl that I like thinks I'm trying to date both her and her friend!!

So I asked the Iching, is this the real problem?, should I need to clarify to the woman I love that I don't like her friend and that I'm not trying to get the two of them?

and the I ching replied me:

Hex 16 No changing lines

Thanks you all for your help on this, really.
 

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ok

so it was a second question and a kind of a yes/no question.

I usually prefer to focus on the first question, Balkin's comment on line 6:

You have tried to join.. but your efforts have not been appreciated. People have misunderstood you... try to understand why you have failed to communicate ...

In a nutshell, for me yi in the first answer is telling you that you have been misunderstood, and you should try to communicate better with this girl, express your true motives and feelings.

16 could mean yes, prepare for this task, think about what you want to say and how to say it.

Bashir
 

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Thanks again Bashir.

A difficult task ahead, I´m realizing now that maybe she sees me as someone just trying to have fun, when the truth is that what I seek is true love and honesty...

So now I need to find a way to express myself to her, thus unveiling the truth of my heart without pushing her too much about our relationship (friendship right now) and losting her... And I feel the time to fix this has come.

Best,

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I have asked again the Yi about a possible way for communicating to her, a litle bit direct maybe, letting her now that I want nothing with her friend, so if she has been liying to her about me, the wrongdoings of her friend would be unveiled... and the Yi told me:

Hex 16 again!! with changing lines 1 and 6

The lines sound like this is not the way to go, but the resulting Hex is 21 so seems like bitting through the problem... So I´m really confused I cannot understand.

Any ideas?



Thanks...
 
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Although I think this is not the way to go.. too harsh maybe.
 

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Finally, I asked the Yi, what can I do then for communicate better with her thus showing my real feelings and motives?

Yi said: Hex 46 with no changing lines.
 

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Hi Zelion,
sorry but I'm a bit busy and so I post quickly;
46 is climbing the sacred mountain, success but thru effort, thru your will, ascending, progress step by step.
That is "methodical ascent through persistent exercise of one's will".
Try one thing at a time.

At a quick glance also for me 16.1.6 is not the way to go

Bashir
 

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Hexagram 16 is about a lot more than just enthusiasm or preparation. It can even mean cheating... Take a look here, maybe it can give you ideas about what to make from your answer of the I Ching.
Hexagram 16

So it is not that easy to say, generally, if a course of action is appropriate or not. I think it might mean most of all that you should try to get some view on what is in the air. Wrong assumptions, distorted impressions, ungrounded feelings.

Since you had no changing lines, it is rather telling you about the situation than about actions.

LiSe
 

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Thanks all for you time on this..

I've came up with the idea and strong feeling that, regardless of the possible cheating game in this particular love/friendship triangle, I 'll need to clarify to the person I love, when the oportunity arises, that I didn't had an affair with her friend, neither I'm interested in having one. This will be my first step in climbing the sacred mountain I think its worth climbing...

Best,
David
 

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Hello LiSe,

linking 16 with cheating is rather new for me, could you please explain it in greater detail ?
I looked in your wonderful site but still I don't get it...

Thanks
Bashir
 
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Hello LiSe,

linking 16 with cheating is rather new for me, could you please explain it in greater detail ?
I looked in your wonderful site but still I don't get it...

Thanks
Bashir

I think she refers to exaggeration, such as a magician/illusionist might use. One hand gets the attention while the trick is performed with the other unnoticed hand. There is also the hype up of emotion, drum rolls and cymbals crash! I see this as a significant aspect of 16. But as well, it can be very real. The sense of not knowing, the intrigue, is all part of the thrill: like when my long deceased grandmother visits me, is she really here?
 

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"Hex 45 Changing line 6 resulting hexagram 12"

This says that your efforts to form a relationship have been misunderstood, you must explain to her the situation. If something isn't done then the relationship will just stagnate because of the misunderstandings.

Hex 16 does not necessarily mean it is the real problem but it may well be a problem that needs to be sorted out, I don't think you should say that you don't like her friend, only that you have absolutely no desire to date her. Let your enthusiasm show that you are being honest with her and then she will be pleased to listen to you. Perhaps taking her to a music club or something similar may help your cause.
 

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Hi again willowfox.

I asked the iching. Should i go tomorrow to the club where she works (as usual I do...) and try to make her know I had no affair with her friend? (I think this is the problem)

The YIi show me:

Hex 3.2.3.4 Resulting hexagram 43 wow!

When I asked he Yi, I didn´t thought in opening my hearth and say her all what I feel, maybe this is dangerous, I just thought in finding a way to comment something about her friend, so maybe the Yi still is encouraging me to go, but not in the way I was thinking.. I´m really confused with this .
Also, because of the lines, it seems that I need to talk to a friend of her, and tell her the situation. And it seems that as soon as I have the right talk to the right person, everything´s gonna be all right.



Thanks for your unlimited help...
 
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Or maybe I need to talk directly to the person I love...?
 

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I asked the iching. Should i go tomorrow to the club where she works (as usual I do...) and try to make her know I had no affair with her friend? (I think this is the problem)

The YIi show me:

Hex 3.2.3.4 Resulting hexagram 43 wow!

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Hex 3.2 says the situation is a big problem for you and not much you can do about it but now you think that you have found a solution, unfortunately what ever you have in mind is not the right solution, you only get more trouble. You must wait and the right solution will eventually be found.

Hex 3.3 says you are not in a good position, so you will only make matters worse, so stop chasing your goal for the present time.

Hex 3.4 you will eventually need help with this problem but you are the one that must ask for it.

Hex 43 it is up to you to overcome the obstacle to your relationship, you must take a firm stand and be determined to do it but in a diplomatic way, no heavy handed approached. Do not blame her otherwise there will be no gain.
 

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Hi all,
hexagram 16 no changing lines good?
If we ask to the I ching if a course of action is appropiate, and he shows up with Hex 16 with no changing lines, is this an affirmation? Or there´s something hidden in its meaning?
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Zelion -
Maybe you are new to this, but I would suggest that this is asking the wrong question.
If you can put good and bad out of your mind entirely your understanding of the Yijing will take a big jump forward.
 

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I think I'm beginning to understand...

With Hex 3 to 43, the Yi was telling me that I cannot go for her and try to explain anything because, obviously, as I'm in a weak position, maybe I would not have the chance to tell her properly, even I could not speak to her, and moreover, she could think I really had that affair and I'm trying to fix it.. So the Yi tell me not to chase her, to wait...

But at the same time, I need to find help, external help, and, as I though, althought not sure yet, the only way to have this help, would be to talk to a really good friend of her, one that I know would tell her my feelings.

So in a nutshell, I have to wait for seeing her, but I should fix this now, because if not, I could lose her, so I'll try to ask thei ching, (as bradford tell me) what happens if I ask this person for help? Instead of Its good if I ask for help to this person?

I hope I'm getting the point of all this.. for my own sake.

Thanks again bradford and willowfox.
 

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So I asked the Yi, what events will unfold if a speak to that friend of the one I love? Although I don't have a lot of confidence since we only met once...

The Yi tells me:

Hex 33 Changing lines 1 and 5 Resulting hexagram 30

So it seems to say me to keep in retreat, as I'm now, but as the same time that I'm waiting in a dangerous position (is what I actually think) and the resulting hexagram talks about... depending light, connections, society... So maybe I'm wrong again, but it seems to me that I should speak with this person. I'm wrong again with the interpretation?

If this is not the way to go, I have to say that I'm completely lost, because I don't have more connections or ways to reach the one I love, at least trusty connections...


Thanks for helping me in this...
 

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One more insight into this.. regarding the line 5, I think encourages me to speak with that person (a woman), since I was thinking in telling to this friend of her, that I'm not going to see her friend because of the misunderstanding we have... Make sense with the line doesn't it?
 

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There is a musical theme to 16. Music is mentioned in the Da Xiang and the general meaning is given several times in the Wings as "responsive movement". Timing is very important here. If you sound the right note, a beautiful note, at the wrong time you have discord. If you make the right note at just the right time you have music. It's in the rhythm.
In general I like to ask the Yi : what is it that I need to understand to best respond to Situation X. Then if I need to know about good and bad, I can ask "what is the upside of this" and "what is the downside". Now 16 is about response itself.
If this is about approaching someone, have the patience to sense the right place and time, instead of planning it in detail without regard to how this person is feeling at that moment.
 

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What about Hex 3 to 30..? one of the lines tells me about enemies on my tail (in the form of other man trying to date her maybe...) I feel like I need to do something (while I'm in retreat)
 

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Maybe I need to approach this friend of her in a different way, an then, when the opportunity arises, tell her about my feelings.. Just a thought
 

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So I asked the Yi, what events will unfold if a speak to that friend of the one I love? Although I don't have a lot of confidence since we only met once...

The Yi tells me:

Hex 33 Changing lines 1 and 5 Resulting hexagram 30
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Hex 33.1 is telling you to do nothing, otherwise you will mess everything up.

Hex 33.5 says to retreat, in other words do not talk to her friend.

Hex 30 says you can only clear this matter up if you are not emotionally involved but you are, so for the moment just accept the situation as it is. You have to find out the facts so that you can actually see what is really going on here. So, first off, try and discover the truth before banging about like some love sick elephant.
 

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I 'm afraid of, while being in retreat, to lose this girl, so I asked the Yi:

What is what I need to understand to advance?

Hex 40.1.5 resulting hexagram 58

It seems to tell me I've done everyhing what was needed to be done, I just have to wait with confidence that everything's gonna be ll right.

But what I don't understand now, is that the Yi warning me before to take action clarifying what's going on regarding a misunderstanding with this girl. So if I do nothing, how can I take active action in solving the riddle of the misunderstanding?

Thanks to all.
 

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Moreover, how can I discover the truth if the iching tells me not to go and see her, neither talk with the people that know she?
 

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Sorry for being so lovesick, but after a breakup with my former girlfriend, I've been alone for seven years, and I know that this opportunities only happen few times in life, at least for me...
 

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I just came up with the idea that maybe the iching is not actually telling not to communicate at all with the person I love, so I thought, What's going to happen if a text her just for a coffe? so I asked this to the Yi:

Hex 49.2.6 Resulting hexagram 1

It was as simple as that!! Just having a friend's talk will allow me to advance!

Thanks!
 

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