Hexagram 23 yet again...

[jesed]

cross-post with Bruce

... yes, one had to take what is useful for one's way.

 

[magdalena]

Gosh I didn't realise that feng shui works like mathematics! That's amazing.

Jesed, I did the divination on Tuesday 6th December between 6-7pm London time. Do you think you could have a go? That would be amazing!!

 

[rosada]

Actually Bruce, your suggestion that one could enhance the feng-shui of their house simply by removing the clutter is streight out of feng shui 101! Also, when someone does know feng shui and then looks at their house they often are delighted to discover they had unconsciously arranged things in a way that accords with good feng shui principals.
However, true feng shui is not based on intuition, but on the date the house is built, and the compass direction it faces. From this information one determines wheather the energies of the house are in balance or if certain elements need to be added to bring the house into balance. For example, the West/South direction is considered to be the K'un area of the house. It is believed to influence partnership and thus Hexagram 2 says "It is favorable to find friends in the West and South" (The East/North is considered to be the meditation area of the house, good for students and privacy. Thus Hexagram 2 advises, "forego friends in the east and north.)
K'un's element Earth. For some reason - I forget at the moment - the 2 Earth is considered to be extremely difficult feng shui wise, so a feng shui practioner familiar with Compass School feng shui will often advise putting actual metal in the Southwest area of the home. This is because metal comes from earth and so having an actual metal object in this room suggests the negative earth energy is depleted as it becomes metal. It's difficult to explain in a brief paragraph here, but the point is, true feng shui is not based on having particular symbols or statues in a room, but on the elements -Earth, Fire, Water,Wood,Metal - being in balance. A metal statue of Budhha may be effective, but not because it is Budhha, but because it is metal.
To find a feng shui practioner in your area who understands these more profound levels of the science, Magdalena, I see that the link Jesed gave us to Master Joseph Wu's site has a list. You might also look at The American Feng Shui Institute, or google Master Sang. He also gives recommendations. Jamilyn.com (I'm not sure that's right, I'll get back to you) advertises readings for $90. From what it appears she gives you, I think she is doing Compass school feng shui. Bottom line is, find someone who uses your house's compass direction and the year it was built. If it is not possible to locate someone in your area who can do this for you, I would agree with Bruce, you can do a heck of a lot just clearing out clutter. The book, The Western Guide to Feng Shui is a good place to start if you just want to study it yourself. Although it's best if you can get someone to show you the deeper levels, it is amazing how the universe will reach us right wher we are and if you are at the beginner's level, beginning steps can work miracles. If you do decide to study feng shui more deeply, the feng shui course jesed has told us about is being offered at a fair price and Master Joseph Wu is a true Master.

 

[jesed]

Hi Magdalena

Be aware about this is not a professional advice in Feng Shui; maybe a methaphora: this is like paramedic's first aid.. you still need the doctor's attention in ER

22 changing to 30

1.- 22 is Total combination... sign of armony. In general, good feng shui.
2.- You are in line 1, which is Rabbit line. Rabbit is wood; and both month (Pig) and day (Rat) are water. Water produces wood. This mean: this house is benefical for you to live.
3.- The Good Chi is represented by "Money" aspect in Line 3, wich is Pig. This means Good Chi is very strong in the House (water line in day and month of water). Line 3 is the living room and the interior space of the house. There is the best chi in the house.
4.- Active Line is Line 4. Line 4 represents the main entrance of the house. Line 4 is Earth (Dog), under "Brother" aspect. Brother aspect destroy Money aspect. Earth destroys Water. So, this site of the house is afecting the good Chi. It means: you have a problem in the main entrace of the house. "Brother" aspect is about brothers, and competitors. So, people living with that problem could have relationship/familiar problems. "Brotherhood" in this house could be dificult for people living with that problem.

Best wishes

 

[bruce]

Jesed, very interesting.

Rosada, I?ll have you know that I have a Masters in Feng Shui from SSHU (School of Supreme Hippness University). Just kidding, of course.

You picked up, I guess, on the word ?minimalize? (not even a real word, me thinks?), suggesting that reducing clutter was the meaning of what I was saying. But that is not what I was saying. I?m saying that balance and order is inherent in nature, and so when one looks through natural eyes, they can find that same balance within their home or office, or anywhere. Do you really believe that intuition has nothing to do with Feng Shui, and that it is a simple matter of putting iron here and wood there, with the help of a compass, of course? Is this also how you see the Yi? Or might they be greater than the sum of its parts, and with an intelligence which finds its own way? Ya know, like the Dao.

God, this civilization has become so analytical and mechanical. Not that mechanics aren?t useful; they obviously are. But to exclude the creative process from life, to rely on formulas and methods, it just seems so sterile to me. But perhaps those are the very people who need a Feng Shui master to do it for them.

 

[bruce]

Putting up or shutting up: this is my impression of Feng Shui. I took the photo and did the graphics. There was no formula or method. It just? happened.

 

[jesed]

Hi Bruce

Yes..

and no... because you DID use some formulas and methods of "computer programation" to take the picture and do the graphics and post it in this forum... isn't?

Objective, subjective, rational, intuitive, mind, body, soul.. all of this are part of Natural Energy (Chi).

If I understand you well (forgive me if I misunderstand you), your point is "not reduce Life to mathematical methods". I'm tottaly agree with you. Feng Shui use mathematical methods and calculations, but is not reduced to that.

Aplly mechanically the "healings" and the calculations is not Feng Shui. But Feng Shui is not, on the other hand, just intuition. As I told before, even in mathematical method for reading Yi Jing, intuition is not exclueded. The same apllies to Feng Shui.

Just in case the comment could be useful:
The point is: I use methods and calculations to understand.. then I aplly my non-intentionated mind to that reality.

As traditional teachings told: "the Sage uses the Action to achieve Non-action".

Is almost imposible to achieve directly non-action.. one uses action to achieve it later.
Is almost imposible to achieve Heaven directly without living in the World, one live in the World to achieve Heaven.
Is almost imposible to achieve inocent (non-intentionated) sincronization with reality directly without methods to understand reality, one uses methods to achieve inocent sincronization with reality.

But, of course, one have to be aware of not forget the goal by remainging stock in the tools. Don't forget the Heaven while you live in World; don't forget the Non-Action whil you Act; don't forget Inocence (intuition or creativity) while you apply methods and calculations.

Best wishes

 

[rosada]

Jesed - I do not know this method for being able to diagnose a house based on an I Ching toss, but it certainly was right on with the problem at Magdalina's house.
Can you prescribe the necessary cure then? Or does that require the live practitioner? [For those unfamiliar with these ideas..To bring balance with an Earth/Water situation, the cure is to introduce Metal (Earth dams Water, but Earth creates Metal and then Metal creates Water [think mercury running like water] so introducing Metal resolves the block and gets the chi flowing), but you haven't said where she should put it. By the entrance?

Bruce - I don't want to appear to be debating the validity of your SSHU degree. I know you are a Master ;-) However, there is a school of thought known as "Compass School Feng Shui" who's basic precepts have nothing to do with intuition. The Idiot's Guide to Feng Shui outline's Compass School's principles if you want to know more about it.

 

[bruce]

Jesed, yes, my friend, I did say that mechanics are useful. And I completely respect the result, no matter how one gets there. I do think we understand each other well.

 

[bruce]

Oh, that sounds like my kind of book, Rosada. But I'm too busy following my own idiot.

 

[cal val]

Bruce...

Thank you for sharing your creation. It's sublimely serene.


Love,

Val

 

[bruce]

Thanks, Val. Coming from an artist that's a real compliment. The branch is mulberry, btw. Supposed to save one from extinction.

 

[jesed]

Hi Rosada

Well.. feng Shui ommmmmmmm

There are several Schools... some more closer than others to traditional knowledge. A brief and excelent description of those schools in "Feng Shui Made Really Easy ebook" of Master Joseph Yu (http://www.astro-fengshui.com/index.html) This ebook is free.

One school points to the entire phisical enviroment around the house. If this entire enviroment is bad, no matter how many cures you use, your house still receive bad energy.

When using Yi Jing for Feng Shui evaluation, inner trigram is INSIDE the house and outer trigram is OUTSIDE the house. With bad chi in line 4, the problem is that the house is receiving bad energy from the closer enviroment... or not retaining good chi inside.

I guess (aware, this is just suposition) the problem could be a) the orientation of the house (maybe facing North or West?); b) something blocking energy infront the main door; c) to much trafic near main door.

It would be negligent and dishonest if I would sugesst anything more. The best is find a good trained practitioner to do an in-place evaluation.

 

[rosada]

Jesed and Magdalina,

Thank you for this ebook Jesed!
According to Master Sang (asfs.com) older homes have a problem maintaining chi, this certainly fits with what your analysis reveals.
Also according to Master Sang some houses are "Bad for people (relationships)" because the street wisks the chi away. Again this fits with your idea that there may be too much traffic near the main door. The cure for such houses is to have a wall or large rock, a symbolic mountain, in frount of the house between the frount door and the street. To know if this really is the problem reguires looking at the compass, but since it's a fairly common problem and since your IChing reading suggests it, I thought I would post the cure. Can't hurt to put up a symbolic rock in the frount yard, even if the feng shui doesn't require it!
But as Jesed says, if you can find one, Magdalena, a live practitioner is best. Really to try to analize what to do this way just gives feng shui a bad name.

Onward...

 

[heylise]

We had our front door to the West, even North-West. Sales and everything were not bad, but not good either.
Then we changed a lot of things, one of them was making a new front to the South (bit West). Sales exploded. It was done on intuition.
Later in a FengSui book, I found all the ingredients. To the West we had a nice meandering road, not too busy, but just enough traffic. To the North a huge barn with a black roof, which was one of the causes for changing the front. Big and black and kind of hanging over our place. Now it feels more like a wall against cold Northern winds. To the East open fields with pieces of woods, nice green "hills" of trees. A few years after changing the front, to the South we got our own little shop, which we sold then to the lady who runs it and looks like the Phenix it(him, her?)-self, and turned the shop into a brightly colored fairytale house.
So we have the four animals on the four sides, the black northern turtle, the green eastern dragon, the fiery southern phenix and the white western tiger (the road). Business is great.

So I think FengShui started out as intuition, was turned into rules, and comes back from those to intuition. Maybe you can skip the first intuition, some people indeed don't have that one. But after the rules, I think you do need the end-intuition. I don't think only rules can make a place living.

Hesitated to post the pictures, after Bruce' beautiful mulberry picture, so full of atmosphere. Seems phenixes make lots of color-noise...

LiSe

 

[bruce]

lol! I LOVE the color-noise. Fairy tales do live. Maybe this picture is 42?

 

[micheline]

love it love it love it

 

[heylise]

In case you cannot find the phenix herself: she is sitting in front of the sign, left photo. She will be very proud of being here in Clarity with her creation. Phenixes love to be seen.

LiSe

 

[rosada]

It makes ya happy just to look at it!
What fun!

 

[jesed]

Just to avoid misunderstandings:

I wouldn't suggest anything before an in-place evaluation.

a) If the problem is to much traffic, built a "mountain" in front is wise.. but if the problem is something blocking the energy come inside, a "mountain" only reinforce the problem

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b) If the problem is door doesn't retain energy inside, maybe is "yinn" door (example: not solid door, but with to much cristal) in that case, is enough to change the door
c) If the problem is the house receive to much "good chi" (this is a problem too in traditional Feng Shui), is wise to make a "non-direct" road to access the house. (Straight lines lead to excess; curve lines lead to balance)
d) If the problem is the orientation.. well the best is what Lise did: change it. But, of course, not alwas you can do that.

... and so on.

Best wishes

 

[cal val]

Hi L...

Oh I saw those pictures on Anton's website some time ago... in the section about Petra Heyboer. I was wondering if it was her shop. Anyway, I really loved them then. I love them now. What a fun fun place that must be.

Love,

Val

 

[magdalena]

Jesed, thank you so much for your feng shui interpretation of the hexagrams. I do agree about the comment on line 4 - the front door of the house is located on the first floor so one has to walk quite a long set of steps to get to it and it faces a very busy road. There is a site door to the house which we have been using and I guess will keep using when we eventually move there. There is a large gated front yard, large enough to accommodate a rockery or a fountain, we've been planning to grow a tall hedge along the fences but I will discuss all the other options with my partner. (I actually tried to attach a photo of the house without success, lost my original message during the process and am writing it again... Heylise, how did you attach yours??)

Anyway, Rosada and Jesed, thanks for the Feng Shui links as well, there are some good articles on the Research site one. Im on the lookout for a good practicioner in London as well, your comments have been really helpful as I had no idea before what/who to look for at all and what to avoid. I hope the problems can be overcome...

 

[heylise]

Val

If you ever come this way, then let me know. I'd be happy to show you around. Here, everything is mismatched, funky enough but I doubt if it is 'chic'. But I think you'd love it. Well, I do..

LiSe

 

[jesed]

Hi Magdalena:

Here, a few links; in case them could be useful:

1.- Profesional advice from Master Raymond Lo (without in place visit)
http://www.raymond-lo.com/ver2/proservices/fsevaluation.asp

2.- List of graduate students, trained by Master Raymond Lo (several in United Kingdom)
http://www.raymond-lo.com/ver2/aboutmasterlo/graduates.asp

3.- List of practitioners trained by Master Joseph Yu (one in England)
http://www.canadafengshui.com/ArtOf/FSRC.htm

Best wishes

 

[heylise]

Magdalena,
To attach a picture, type a backslash (\)and then: image{Text description}, no spaces in between.
I will not put it in as it should be, otherwise it will ask me to upload the picture.
In the preview, there is a little window "your picture here" for every picture. Then you post it, and you are asked for the location of the picture. Hit 'browse' and find its whereabouts in your own computer.

At the left of this page in Clarity, is a link to 'formatting', there you can find everything.

Hope it works
LiSe

 

[bradford_h]

Hi Magdalena-
Some time ago we set up a whole thread to practice graphics and formatting on, where we didn't have to embarrass ourselves too much or muck up an active thread. One of the first big lessons is to post small graphics, at least less that 50 kb.

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/messages/786/1707.html

 

[magdalena]

Oh my goodness, you are one bunch of geniuses! Bradford, I used your link and it worked! Thank you LiSe for this...

Ok, here is the house in all its pride and glory... you can see the much-discussed-bad-bad-feng-shui main entrance and the side entrance that we will end up using when we move in.. What do you think....?

 

[magdalena]

Ooops, came out a "little bit" off centre...

 

[bruce]

Large images are best reduced, Magdalena. If you don't have the means to do this, in the future you can email them to me. IE:

If you want to remove the large image, click back into your profile, then click on the post you sent. You can delete or edit recent posts there.

 

[jte]

Hrmm. This thead seems to have gotten a bit off track...

Couldn't resist. =)

- Jeff