Multiple moving lines - Part 2

[martin]

Ah, I see now that they also mention a method that involves casting, with six coins. The trick is that one of these coins is marked. That coin will indicate which line is changing.

 

[hilary]

Didn't someone reconstruct what they thought must have been the methods used for the Zuozhuan readings? Ah yes... on p170 of Rutt's Zhouyi, the 'Nanjing rules'. Any use to anyone?

 

[dobro p]

Hilary, you know *far* too much about this LOL.

 

[bradford_h]

Hi Lindsay
What I meant to say is what Ewald said more clearly-
the Zuozhuan examples might have been selected for their simplicity.
I don't really have any answers here- I just don't like to close doors based on the kind of limited data that we have.
It doesn't help either that the Yarrow method we have is possibly no older than Zhuxi.

Hi Hilary-
These Nanjing "rules" seem just a wee bit like pure speculation to me. When I first read this I just didn't see them as anchored in anything attestable. Of course by then I had already formed a pretty low opinion of Gao Heng.

 

[lindsay]

One final word on this Zuozhuan thing, then I'll drop it -- who cares, anyway?

Ewald and Bradford, I agree with you that the readings in the Zuozhuan were probably selections. But they were selected not to illustrate the use of the Yi, but as anecdotes to shed light on the people involved. If a journalist writes a story about George Bush getting a Yi reading which later turned out to be oddly and appropriately true or false, you would interpret that as a story about George Bush, not about how to cast the Yi. So in a way the Yi itself as a specific divination tool is irrelevant in all the various episodes in the Zuozhuan. The same point would have been served if the diviners used dice or tarot cards or crystal balls. Except perhaps that the Yi had at the time a certain authoritative cachet that made it the primo method of divination in the mind of the Zuozhuan annalist.

If all this is true (and we are talking probabilities here, not certainties), then it would seem the annalist would (1) be somewhat familiar with the methodology of Yi divination, and (2) present it accurately to give his story had every appearance of factual truth.

And if this is so, then we are back to trying to explain why all the divinations improbably involve primary or single-line readings if in fact they are genuine.

I would argue they are probably not genuine. The annalist made them up to illustrate a point, and he made them as simple as possible so he didn't have to present a lot of procedural folderol. The same kind of folderol we've been discussing in this string.

I agree completely with Brad that the Nanjing rules sound wildly improbable. Positively Ptolemaic. But, unlike Brad, I don't break out in hives every time I hear the name Gao Heng. If the Yi episodes were crafted to fit the narrative in the Zuozhuan, then we have no need for the Nanjing rules at all. In fact, we would know exactly nothing about Yi divination during the Zhou, except what looks like a plausible reading to someone writing in the third century BC.

When you don't have any factual information, then anybody's guess is as good as the next. So everybody who has an opinion about ancient divination is possibly right, or possibly wrong, depending on whether the glass is half-empty or half-full.

Well, that's my bit.

Lindsay

 

[cal val]

Jeff...

Personal gods indeed! For the record... that's Candid's invention... not my words... not my concept. In fact, from what I hear... from Candid no less who has several times referred to his own experience with "men in grey lab coats"... as well as from people who've sent me emails... these guys do seem to get around. I think my favorite email was from the man who said he'd never given the "men in grey" I spoke of much thought until he read a story in his local paper (on the other side of the globe from me) about a boy who was healing people with a glass of water and said "men in grey" taught him how.

Love ya,

Val

 

[cal val]

Dobro...

No hangover. I ate enough and drank enough water to prevent one. A little light headed maybe... and wearing a perma-grin all day long... but then I have a beautiful and fragrant bouquet of flowers in my office that keeps me grinning... *grin*

It's interesting that you like what Candid said... because he said pretty much what I've been saying all along... in his words:

"There are times when a flash glance tells everything I'm looking for, and more information can cloud the sense of clarity and certainty. In fact, that is why I don't apply nuclear tri/hex's, fan yao, pairing or steps: not that I feel they aren't legitimate, but they spread the focus that 'works best for me' too widely. A case of TMI, for 'me'."

I differ only slightly. I think some pairing is legitimate... some a reeeeaaalllll stretch. I do consider the fan yao occasionally, the fan yao can some times give additional insight into the applicable line... not always.

I usually look at everything... even ALL the changing lines if there're more than one... because something WITHIN it all... not ALL of it... will answer my question. It's been my experience, however, that when there's mml, the answer is usually in the hexagrams themselves... maybe just a sentence from one or both that will have special meaning to me and give special insight on the situation or maybe the general meaning of each. One has to be open and receptive to know which is the case in each instance. And if I don't immediately see the answer in the text, I'll eventually get my answer through experience... either my own or someone else's that they've been so kind to share here on this forum. I've gained a LOT of understanding right here on this forum reading others' experiences. Experience has always been my best teacher.

I don't set the rules with the Yi. I once tried. Told the Yi (my term for the force that answers me through the YiJing) how we were going to arrive at Yes and No answers. I don't remember their answer to that... I just remember it was an ever so humbling experience. I apologized sincerely.

Love,

Val

 

[cal val]

Lindsay...

Are you in the pixel business? I mean digital graphics where pixels really matter *grin*... since your "pixel" example is graphical. I am. I'm in digital post production... we turn films into pixels... very exciting... high fast growth... state of the art technology... blah blah blah. I'm very happy.

No special "powers" are required to read the Yi. In fact, the simple trick to reading the Yi is spelled out in many places in the dao de jing. Intuition. Intuition is easy. It's simply a matter of being still... and receptive. No one is born with a special gift of receptivity. We're all capable.

"'The Sages of old', says the Lu Shih Ch'un Ch'iu, meaning of course legendary ancient rulers like Yao and Shun, 'did not injure their souls by petty feelings about private matters; they sat quietly and waited.'" - Arthur Waley in "The Way and It's Power."

Big hug and kiss Lindsay!

Love,

Val

 

[cal val]

Candid...

I never said the Yi... the book... was infallible. Again... YOUR invention. (You sure were inventive in your post... *lol*). I have always said the books are flawed. There's a lot of value in the books. One can truly experience personal growth if one opens oneself up to the counsel within... but one must ignore the judgments to do so. Judgments are counter to growth. Judgments are the stuff we are supposed to grow away from. And they're alllll over the book. In one of my dreams the "men in grey" said they wanted new interpreters... and they showed me an entirely different way to configure the trigrams. Knowing how infinitely patient they were with me and nonjudgmental about my behavior, I can pretty much guess why they want new interpreters. The difference between them and the book I use to communicate with them is glaring.

And I've never looked at the book with the reverence several of the people here do. It's not magical... it's not brimming with spiritual power... it's a book that several men over the ages had a hand in. It's a compilation of histories used for divination, and I don't really believe there was originally all that much thought put into its arrangement. I get this image of TV writers sitting around a conference table with 4096 "scene" index cards saying, "Okay Let's move this scene here... it works better... and put this one in it's place." When I see a moving line change the hexagram to one that I can't see relating to the line at all, even in my wildest imagination, I especially believe this to be true.

I don't believe its being Chinese makes it anything special either. And I think so much of being soooo Confucian hurts it really. If this same type of thing were done in Finland 500 years ago... it would still be as effective... maybe even more so.

The same thing holds true with the dao de jing... nothing magical there... a compilation of different men's philosophies about war, government and spirituality... most of them similar... but some contradicting each other... much of it is simply arguments to Confucian thought... Just a bunch of guys... peaceniks... sitting around talking, meditating and writing. And the dao de jing changed frequently over the years... as other men amended it to advance their own agendas. The Mawangdui text is quite different from the Guodian text and they're both quite different from the received text.

There's nothing all that mysterious about either book to me. Good books, both them of them... useful in their own ways. I like the YiJing... helps the "men in grey" communicate with me... and I like a lot of the philosophy in the dao de jing. Their image of the Way isn't quite the same as the one I came away from my dreams with... nothing circular about what I saw. But I do like the water symbolism and stuff. All in all though... neither one is a magical mysterious spritually imbued work.

That said, Candid, I don't recall ever posting here or telling you in private email just how long I've been consulting the Yi. So... how in the world would you have that information???? I'm the one at a loss now.

For the record... it's been just about 30 years now. Oh... but you knew that didn't you... *wry grin*

Love ya,

Val

 

[candid]

hears a giant whoooshing sound

Ok, Val. Whatever you say.

 

[lindsay]

Dear Val --

Everybody knows by now I'm a lot more interested in ideas than people, but in your case, I'm willing to make a exception. I can't tell you how glad I am to see you're back, swinging away and (of course) *grinning*. Val the Cheshire Cat.

I'm not in the pixel business but my daughter runs a graphic design shop in Denver. Right now I'm in the no-job-in-sight, walls-of-rejection, try-not-to-get-terminally-depressed, lots-of-dead-time-on-my-hands business. I know you were in that business yourself not too long ago. Glad to hear you've switched your line of work to something more satisfying.

As for your ideas, they are great. I agree with almost everything you say. Maybe you should ease up on Confucius a little. But mostly I just think you are a really great personality. Please keep posting. Somebody around here has to keep Candid on his toes.

Lindsay

 

[candid]

Keep me on my toes? That?s pretty funny.

Personally, I think we?re all completely nuts. Trying to figure all this stuff out, promoting our own views, correcting the views of one another. Who is right? Who is wrong? Good grief! Everywhere it?s the same. No wonder the men in gray lab coats (or robes) don?t hang around for tea.

 

[jte]

"[the Yi]'s not brimming with spiritual power..."

I must beg to differ with you there, Val. For me, there's definitely a spiritual aspect. I'm not sure if it's the texts, the structure of hexes/lines, the use of "random" methods to generate readings, or in the intelligence(s) which we end up communicating with. Or maybe the whole combination taken together. But it's there.

I remember when I first started reading here being struck by how I didn't see a lot of people asking about how to get promoted or pay off their mortgages 10 years early. But lots on spirituality, and that continues. I think it is (or at least can be) one of the Yi's main influences on us questioners...

- Jeff

 

[martin]

Candid, they sometimes do hang out for tea!

Well, coffee instead of tea in my case and they didn't drink it, as far as I know. Only I did.
They also didn't wear grey lab coats ...

Btw, there is a Dutch book titled (translated) "What do men really want?".
The answer is not sex. No, first of all they want to be right!

 

[martin]

I agree with Val here. There is nothing holy about the Yi. There is no reason to put the book on a pedestal and worship it as if it embodied an all knowing sage.
It doesn't, it's just a book, written by human beings who, in most cases, have done a fairly good job.
There is a lot of practical wisdom, psychological insight and common sense in it, but that's about it.

However, the Yi can be used (and is often used) by a more than human intelligence as a tool to communicate with us. So when people feel that the answers that they get represent a high level of wisdom they may very well be right.
But this wisdom is not in the book, the book is just a tool, a channel. Like a telephone.

The Yi is - in Zen speak - a finger pointing at the moon, not the moon.

 

[jte]

Well, Martin, that is certainly one explanation, and one that I can see the rationale of: the spiritual learning comes from the being(s) you communicate with via the Yi.

I'm not sure there isn't more to it - I mean what makes the Yi an acceptable tool vs. other "phones" the spiritual intelligences might have available? What makes you rule out the text of the Yi itself? The fact that people had to write it and so the communication is necessarily "filtered" or ??

What stops the spiritual intelligences from communicating "more directly" most of the time? (Or do they try and we just don't perceive it?)

(Always more questions than answers with me, I know... ;-) )

- Jeff

 

[void]

Just a thought, the 'men in grey' ? Are they men, no women ?

 

[dobro p]

"What stops the spiritual intelligences from communicating "more directly" most of the time? (Or do they try and we just don't perceive it?)"

My understanding is that the communication is constant. The advantage of using an oracle is that you're actually looking for the message for the time you're searching for the meaning the oracle's given you, plus the oracle offers some recognizable markers (in the Yi, the hexagrams and lines) that help you grope toward an understandable meaning. And at some point, I think some people sort of leave the oracle behind and become an oracle themselves - they learn how to tune into and read the constant message without needing sticks or cards or coins or crystal balls.

 

[jte]

Interesting, Dobro, so by this view oracle use brings an existing background "resource" into immediate focus/application. There's a need to know, so we ask and the oracle is a tool for helping make the answer clear...

For people who go past the need for oracles - do you know what the "telephone" that provides the message is? Your innermost thoughts? dreams? ordinary events as you experience them going through life (kind of like constant low-level synchroncity)? or ??

- Jeff

 

[dobro p]

I'm not there yet, so I can't report from personal experience. But it's the person themself and their own intelligence that is attuned enough and receptive enough to 'read' the meaning that ordinary events contain beneath or within the superficial appearance. I've done it on a couple of occasions, but it's like swimming way out into the deep water or something, and I'm not used to that yet.

But you know, I'm gonna open it up here with a question that I think is a very good question: how much do you *need* to know? My view is that we don't actually *need* to know a lot to live well. But we do need to feel connected to the mystery, to the unconscious, to spirit - whatever you want to call it. My guess is that, for me at least and probably for many people here, drawing a hexagram and getting an idea of the real contour of the situation and how to handle it is actually less useful than the feeling of being in touch with and being given useful information by a source of knowledge far greater than our limited conscious knowledge. It's kid stuff, I know, but needful for a lot of people: "You still there? And I can access you anytime? And I can get help?"

Anyway, if I'm right, then using the Yi is like toddler's steps. And working hard to refine one's understanding of the lines in the Yi is then less important than developing one's attitude of respect and receptivity to the message coming through. Oh sure, knowledge of the meaning of the lines and being able to 'read' them in terms of a question put to the oracle is important in terms of using the oracle. But that's in the context of the oracle itself being just a stepping stone on the way to doing without it.

 

[martin]

I think that is a good question, Dobro.
My experience is that nothing is communicated on the conscious levels unless the receiver needs to know something.
There might still be hidden communication, though, on subconscious levels.
Btw, In my earlier post I didn't mean to say that there are always separate beings involved when we use the Yi or listen to other "phones".
It might be that we are only communicating with another (usually hidden) part of ourselves or (in the case of synchronicity, for example) that we become aware of expressions of impersonal physical laws that we do not yet fully understand.
Of course it is often difficult to know what is really going on.

This is an interesting topic and I would like to say more about it. But ...
I send a piece of software that I'm about to release to testers last week and it turns out that it doesn't function properly in some versions of Windows. Oh Bill Gates, I love you!
Emails are going back and forth between the testers and me, while we try to figure out what is wrong. So my communication channels are a bit overloaded right now.
No time to pick up any phone!

 

[jte]

Personally, and perhaps this is evident from my posts, I'm in the position of knowing there's "something out there" but not having a good handle on what it is. Very much a blind men and the elephant situation. So, I'm try to get as much info as I can so that I can in time refine what I know into an understanding that makes sense/fits what I've experienced.

So, I'll keep asking questions. Hope you all don't mind ;-) ...

- Jeff

 

[dobro p]

Sure, but keep asking questions of 'what's out there' (or what's in here) - those are the most important questions. Those questions always gets a response, whether you notice it or not.

 

[cal val]

Jeff...

(I have answers for a few of the others who posted over the weekend... later... lunch break, but I want to address your most recent post immediately).

Remember... before I started having my experiences, I was pretty much a confirmed atheist... open to anyone who wanted to prove there was something out there... but still very cynical.

I now know, because of their demeanor, what they showed me and how they helped me, there definitely IS something out there. And I, like you, feel like one of the blind men touching the elephant.

I'd love to know your experience... if you'd rather email me than post here... I can understand. I really want to know what your experience has been, nonetheless.

For the record... they... the force that answers me through the book IS spiritual... of this I have no doubt. I'm saying the same thing about the book that Martin said so well.

Void...

Your post cracked me up... because I had the same question once I realized who was visiting me... what??? no women? No Void... no women... that I could tell anyway.

Love,

Val

 

[cal val]

Oooops... see next post... *embarrassed grin*

 

[cal val]

Lindsay...

You're right. I didn't give Confucius his due. He wrote much that I enjoy reading. It was his focus on hierarchies, especially family hierarchy and all that entails that I have a problem with.

I thought of Confucius when I saw this picture on the "Psychology of Fascism" site that our ubiquitous "Anonymous" posted... *grin*


Anyway... Yeah I was doing graphics before... 2D (AND 3D for fun), and this is the same thing on a much grander scale. We have a process we put some film through called "Fire." "Fire" does everything photoshop, illustrator, maya, and all their plug-ins do... and then some... all rolled into one program. And the server for the program is an SGI with five huge hard drives (so far)... each as big as my PC.... and that's not even a tenth of all the amazing tools and programs we use to turn film into pixels. Soon it won't even a 12th, then... 1/16th... the field is growing so fast. There's something new to learn each week.

I'm not using my graphics skills here. I'm here in an administrative capacity and am using other skills including my writing skills instead... and loving it.

I'm so sorry you're among the ranks of the unemployed. At my age it's a very scary and discouraging place to be... especially since I'm in a youth and beauty oriented business. I hope you're getting the line the Yi gave me... can't remember the hexagram and line right now... and chances are I won't be getting it for a long to come now... but it's the line that says your talents aren't being recognized at the moment, but have patience... they will be. The Yi was right... as always.

Love,

Val

 

[jte]

Sure Val, I'll write about it.

It was somewhat similar to the experience Pedro described, but different in character. Given the nature of my experience, I find his last post very interesting.

This happened just outside the front door at work as I was walking to my car.

It was brief, but quite striking. I didn't see anything, but I suddenly "felt" a beautiful white light, like angels are sometimes depicted. And then I momentarily experienced an incredible state of compassion, overwhelmingly beautiful - it felt almost like a fragment of God's love when he created the universe - that's the best way I can describe it.

It's hard to convey in words the intensity of this feeling of love. It was like my whole brain only felt love for a moment. I honestly don't believe my brain is naturally capable of creating feelings of this intensity since I've never felt anything like it before. That's one reason I believe it came from outside of myself. For months afterward, I would almost start crying if I thought about it at length.

It was accompanied by an effect in physical reality: for several weeks afterwards there was a recurring synchronicity that would occur pretty much every time I entered or left work. It was visible to other people; in particular the building receptionist (who sits there all day) noticed the synchronicity after a while and started to get rather freaked out by it. I made a point of being really nice to her and as the synchonicity eventually faded, she calmed down.

The synchronicity faded after about six weeks. It is another reason I think this experience originated from outside of me - I don't think that I'm capable of *causing* an effect like this.

I think maybe several factors converged to lead to this happening. It's not clear to me if all were important, or some just happened to also be true at the time.

1. I was actively dieting to improve my health.

2. At work, I was working on a Diversity training course. I consider diversity somewhat of a noble cause (at least the eliminating discrimination and promoting understanding between people aspects) and was working on it in that mindset. I was doing a lot of the work on my own time since I had a full schedule already.

3. The night before, I had asked the I Ching about work the next day and got (you guessed it) 61 (no moving lines). So, I tried to maintain a compassionate, open minded attitude towards everyone around me. (This isn't always easy at work, but that day was a very low stress day, so I guess I managed to just "let" it happen.) I think I maintained that mindset for most of the day.

Intuitively, the most significant thing seemed to be that I was already in a compassionate state of mind to some extent ? so, I think, the Spiritual Being (that is what I think it was) ?noticed? it and connected with me somehow. That?s my impression?

- Jeff

 

[gene]

The following would show how I would read multiple lines in a daily reading, which admittedly would be somewhat different than in a reading for a specific question. It also is an example of a daily reading somewhat of the type Carol Anthony proposes in her books.

Reading for week starting 09/26/04

1. Hexagram 18 line 4 changing to hexagram 50.

Nothing will be gained by letting things drift. Action should be taken to improve the situation. Decay that has its roots in the past is beginning to manifest.

2. Hexagram 26 lines 1 and 6 changing to 46.

The first shows an insurmountable obstacle. One must bide his time and wait for the opportune moment. The sixth line however, Shows that the obstruction is past. This indicates that while the time may not be exactly right, it is coming, and in the meantime one must use the meaning of hexagram 46 and set to work to overcome the obstruction. That does not mean not taking the first line into account. The work that one does is in preparation for the real work of overcoming the obstacles. This relates back to the first set which talks about improving the situation. The rising up in this hexagram, in contrast to hexagram 35, where the sun rises without effort, is only through great effort. One cannot sit back and expect things to happen for him. He/She must MAKE them happen. When only the first line changes here, we have hexagram 18 again, which shows us that This reading doubly refers to the necessity of creating reform in one?s life. When line six changes, we have hexagram 11 which Wilhelm/Baynes calls ?Peace?. It is only through the work that one attains peace and contentment within. One cannot expect to sit on the sidelines and have change happen for him/her.

3. Hexagram 1 line 1 and 5 changing to hexagram 50.

Here again we have as a relating hexagram #50. This reading is showing doubly the possibility of transformation and change, if one is willing to do the work. It does take two lines of hexagram one to change to #50. Doing the work leads to ?Supreme good fortune.? Hexagram 1 indeed is a hexagram of ?taking the initiative.? ?All day long the superior man is creatively active.? The first line and fifth lines have a similar tone as the first and sixth line in #26. The first line tells us it is not time to act. Hidden within this advice though is the hint of preparation, since this is an active hexagram. Since the lines in hexagram one are a prototype of how to read the yang lines in all other hexagrams, we normally with a yang line in the first place are counseled to be aware of the danger and prepare. The fifth line informs us of the results of the preparation. It has a similar context as the sixth line in hexagram 26. ?Flying dragon in the heavens.? It shows that the superior person?s influence has spread and become visible within his/her sphere of influence.

4. Hexagram 55 line 6 changing to 30.

This line gets into some interesting speculation. Several possibilities are possible here. The first is that one may not want to expose his/her wealth. I do not immediately see how this aspects fits into the reading as a whole however. Another idea is that one has been in mourning and isolation too long. This possibly fits for reasons I will not discuss on the board. The third idea presented here is that opportunities will not come if you do not look. This ties in very well. Once again the reading is telling us that we must take action to correct the situation. Here also is a hint of the action to take. While on the one hand the reading is saying you have been isolated too long, it hints on the other hand just the opposite, that one needs to spend time in meditation, quieting the mind, so much so that one does not see one?s family, (that is, one?s inferior elements, or one?s normal thought processes, but quiets the mind) until the answers come. In any line and hexagram pretty much, two opposing ideas can always be presented, and it is the intuition that tells which fit?s the best. Karcher says of this line, ?Do not stay in mourning for the past. By fixing ourselves on our past hurts, grief, or blunders we attract to ourselves more of the same. The work specified in hexagram 18 is here somewhat delineated when it tells us to let go of old ways of thinking, and start focusing on, and therefore attracting, what we really want in life. Sorrow over spilt milk is of no benefit. Joyful acceptance of the present, whatever that may be is essential. A joyful attitude toward life draws and attracts the powers of the cosmos to us, and we then can joyfully make a change in our lives for the better. But first the present, and the past, must be accepted joyfully. Hexagram 30 tells us that we are all part of a network, a giant cosmic network. That we are all one. By accepting the past, we recognize our own responsibility for where we are and what has happened to us and therefore clear the way for the cosmos, the sage, to respond to us positively. If we dwell on the gloominess of the past, we are not focused on where we want to be. Not focused on what we want for our lives.

5. Hexagram 17 line one changing to hexagram 45.

Line 1, once again a firm line, so it can be interpreted according to the standard set forth in the first hexagram, shows us the beginning of a situation. Here, ?The standard is changing.? Often, in ancient times, a flag or a banner was carried by one of the troops during wartime. This flag or banner would be the standard by which one knew what or who to follow. When the standard is changing, it indicates a change in the direction of our lives. It is time to take a new path. Here, in line one, it is just the beginning, so only preparations need to be made. But we will soon be taking a new path, or a new course. This of course, may be internal, in the sense that we have developed a new ?map for our mental makeup.? In other words we have a new vision for our life, for our future. A more complete and self assured sense of who we are and where we are going in life.

Often, when only one line is changing, looking at the relating hexagram is not a necessity, though it can give further insight, because the meaning of the relating hexagram is built right into the meaning of the line to a certain extent. But for now let?s look at the relating hexagram and see how it compares to line one of #17. Master Ni calls #45 ?Gathering the Essence?. ?All people have the opportunity to be close to their leader at this time.? In hexagram 17 line one we have a change between leader and follower. Here we have an opportunity to become close to the new leader. All of this is built however, on the premise that one changes oneself internally and for the better. As Master Ni says, ?This is the right time to move forward and be creative.?

6. Hexagram 33 line 5 changing to hexagram 56.

Here the reading all ties together, and comes to an end. Line 5 says, ?Friendly retreat.? ?One recognizes that the moment for retreat has come. And here, what are we retreating from? We have to look at the reading as a whole and recognize the overall meaning that the past has to be left behind, and a new point of departure has to be found. We cheerfully let go of the past. (Hexagram 18.) We get to work on the new. (Hexagram 26, hexagram 1, and hexagram 17.) We build a new future for ourselves, and leave the past behind, (hexagram 17 and 33.)


Gene

 

[cal val]

Jte...

Thank you so much for sharing your story.

"I guess I managed to just "let" it happen."

Open up and just let it happen... and there you have it. That's where I was finally when I started having my experiences... finally realized I was mucking things up doing it my way. I let go and let the "collective alpha and beta length brainwaves from synaptic energy output" *wry grin*

Soon thereafter, I learned it was more like I let go and let God... or the Way... or whatever that elephant is.

Love,

Val

 

[jte]

Sure thing, Val, I was happy to post about it.

- Jeff