Multiple moving lines - Part 2

[pakua]

Hi Gene,

I was thinking about your example post about the daily readings. There's a lot there. I had some questions for you regarding timing.

One assumption is, since they are daily readings, that the reading is valid for the day, ie a method of focussing on an issue or issues for the day. Do you ever find, that sometimes a number of days may go by, even several weeks, and then a reading you had on a particular day last week or the previous week, suddenly seems to be still relevant? If so, why would that be? Maybe because that particular reading struck deeper, or had more meaning?

The other assumption is that, if the daily readings are intended to work on a larger life-issue, then each reading tackles a piece of that issue for that day, and then it might be more understandable that the reading "carried on" for some time after the day ended.

Or are both assumptions correct?

But in any case, do you forget about the reading when the day (or in your case, the week) is over? Otherwise it gets very complicated after a while, trying to find patterns, ie maybe this one is still active, maybe that one, etc etc.

 

[gene]

Hi Pakua

Actually that was a rare reading that I actually did the homework on. Often I don't exercise my mental faculties enough to get the full meaning. I used to do these things daily, but it got to be too much to try to figure out the meaning overall before the next day. I was trying to do what Carol Anthony does but she leaves me cold with some of her readings. I think the meanings she ascribes to some of the lines are right for her but not for me. It is extremely difficult for me to study the I Ching on a daily basis, read the newspaper, do online investigation, do Tai Chi and Qigong, and actually work once in a while too. I get extremely frustrated that I do not have the time to do anything right.

Anyway, while they may be daily readings, or my case now, more like monthly, they seem to me to apply to whatever period of time that the mood or the feeling or the situation lasts. If you do these readings daily, they will probably stay on a particular subject until you learn how to apply the material to your life.

Due to lack of discipline, yes, I often forget about the reading. Not that I want to, I just get carried away with the emotions or sensations of the day, and the more spiritual lessons fail me.

I just thought this one was an easier one for me to figure out how it applied to me, and was also a good example post. Whether it actually was, or anyone appreciated it, I don't know.

If I missed some of your questions, or you have others, let me know.

Gene

 

[yly2pg1]

Hi,

Here is some of my point of view:

(1) About Timing, normally the Chinese calls it "numerical Yi". The ancient Chinese use it widely for political and military purpose. "Numerical Yi" was treated as restricted reading material by Chinese emperors to avoid proliferation of the skills. Numerical Yi consists of various "tools" like 5-elements, Pa-kua, 3x3Matrix, Lunar calender, etc. Few schools of these knowledge is passed down to this generation.

(2)Very few Chinese will treat Yi as a bible nowaday. In fact, the Chinese know the Christian bible far better than the Yi.

(3)My personal opinion about the founder of Yi, Fu Shi is that he is not earthly. Having said that, Yi do not invented by the Chinese. Yi is passed down to Chinese. The ancient Chinese calls the emperor "Son of the Heaven" afterwards.The earthly homo-sapien, Confucius later interpreted the Hexagrams.

(4)The Chinese has realized the notion of space-time few thousands of years ago. The Chinese character of "Universe" means Space-Time.

(5)The Chinese meaning for "fate" means "border/limit". Yi is used to survive within a "border" and to escape certain "border" when the time is right.


Having said so much, sometimes it is good to treat Yi beyond the Middle Kingdom ...

 

[pakua]

Hi Gene,

"Anyway, while they may be daily readings, or my case now, more like monthly, they seem to me to apply to whatever period of time that the mood or the feeling or the situation lasts. "

This is the core of what I wanted to get at. If one does a daily (or weekly) reading, in actual fact, the reading may last (much) longer than a day (or week), which is ok if the reading is positive, but not if there are warnings.

Doesn't that show that one can't really attach a time line when doing readings?

But with that proviso in mind, suppose one does do a reading with a week time-frame in mind. At the end of the week, do you say, ok the week is over, forget that reading, time for the next one, because the next one will be more current and accurate? The only alternative would be to keep remembering previous readings, juggling them in your mind, which gets complicated. It's all very nebulous. If I was sensitive enough to know when the feeling or situation ended, I probably wouldn't need the Yi.

"I just thought this one was an easier one for me to figure out how it applied to me, and was also a good example post. Whether it actually was, or anyone appreciated it, I don't know. "

I found this example extremely instructive. I've never seen until now how things can be tied together like this. I copied it and put it in my high-lights directory, for further reading. Thank you.

 

[gene]

Hi YLY2

Thanks for that info. Are you Chinese? There are some of us, even westerners on this board that agree that the Yi, and other divination tools did not come from earthly realms...however, I know that idea is upsetting to some people too. Anyway, I agree with it.

The Chinese Emperor was known as the "Son of Heaven" as you say, and up until world war two the Japanese firmly believed their emperor was a god. I think there is more to it than we realize. In the western world, we have historians and such, for example, Sir Lawrence Gardner from Great Britain who has done an extensive search of lines of kingship in the western world, and has come to the conclusion too that this line is not from the earth. (He doesn't necessarily believe they are fallen angels or such as some researchers do, but from the sky anyway.)

It's all quite interesting to me, and I have spent as much time in research of this myself as I can possibly spare.

Gene

 

[gene]

Hi Pakua

When I do a daily reading it is usually for wisdomn in a sense, rather than for a specific event. Therefore, in a sense, it becomes timeless. Even if there is some reference to a specific event, and that event happens during the week, the fallout from that event could last a lifetime. One thing I wish I had time to do, but never seem to get around to it, is review at the end of the week, and see if there is a correlation to a specific event. But there is the inside world too, that goes on in our head, (which eventually manifests in the outside world too,) but one thing I am looking for is, how does the "superior person" react in this given situation. I once wanted to write a book out the "superior man" in the I Ching but never got around to it. The superior man does not always act in the same way in a given situation but is in harmony with the time. And, how we feel inside, does that match the feeling the superior man would have in this given situation? Maybe maybe not.

Gene

 

[Sparhawk]

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Here is some more on that line of thought: Nicolas de Vere

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[pakua]

Hi Gene,

My focus is more on relationship readings, and looking to be able to do the right thing at the right time, which I guess translates to your notion of the superior man acting in harmony with the time.

"And, how we feel inside, does that match the feeling the superior man would have in this given situation? "

I can see how one might get that superior man feeling when one receives a ruling or "positive" line; generally one is in harmony then, but how could you get the feeling when you get a warning or difficult line? Do you mean by actively changing attitudes until you get that feeling?

I generally do a weekly relationship reading, which obviously allows for more outside feedback than if it was all internal. Sometimes I can see signs here and there, but the problem I have is "is that really a sign, or am I stretching it?" and especially when it happens several weeks after the "weekly" reading.

For example, a number of weeks ago I got 56.5.6. I thought I could see line 5 in action, and tried to be careful not to manifest line 6. Several weeks went by, with 17.4.6, then 15. Then I made a little joke, which didn't seem to go over very well, and suddenly it seemed as if that was the 56.6 line suddenly appearing. The following week I got 50.3.6. Line 3 here seems to fit in, as fallout from 56.6, so that tends to support my conjecture about that event.

What do you think - can one put a timeline such that weekly or even yearly readings will fit? My fear with doing a yearly reading would be following the wrong prescription, after the reading had already expired, or vice versa.

 

[yly2pg1]

Hi Gene and all,

Yes, I am a Chinese.
I come to practice Yi through a connection with my friend who has been Buddhist Monk for years in Thailand. Some ancient Chinese monks in China are well versed in Yi and they use
Yi sparingly for wisdom and moral guidance at precarious situation (seldom for prediction).
Some use Yi with the help of meditation, dream, sub-conscious etc depending of their
preference and habitual domains.

About the origin of Yi, some Buddhist have little problem to accept the controversial notion
if they have some knowledge in Abhidhamma (something about Mind and Matter, Mind and its state).
Coz the "property of Mind" will decide the realms (the states of space-time).

I always like to see myself as a space-time traveller as I embrace the meaning of Yi more.
And this is the way I see you all, if you know what i mean. And for a Chinese,
the issue of origin is probably an issue of "fate" or "border", considering the norms, social establishment
and the advance of life science at current space-time.

 

[gene]

Hi YLY2

I agree the "property of Mind" will decide the realms of space-time. I have spent a good portion of my life trying to figure out how to take the right attitudes, the right belief system, the right mind set, thinking, in order to manifest a more abundant and successful life. Not for materialism per se, but to be a better servant to humanity. I think the Buddhists and the Taoists are way ahead of most of us in this regard, although if Christianity is properly understood, it can help too. I have come to believe that the only way is through stillness, and quieting of the mind, which, while I meditate, I never seem to get to that deeper state of mind.

If I can get to it, my next post to Pakua, might focus on how the I Ching can help in that respect too.

Thanks,
Gene

 

[gene]

Pakua

My concept of the I Ching is that it is very multidimensional, so a line can mean many things on many different levels. If we get a fifth line in a reading, it can refer to a sage, it can refer to the I Ching itself, it can refer to our boss, it can refer to someone we have a relationship with, or it can refer to ourselves. I feel the only way to know which is to develop an intuition through consistent daily quiet time and meditation.

Since I don't know the entire situation, it would be very difficult for me to give you an interpretation of line 5 and six. Line 5 often represents a ruler, but not always, intuition will tell. Line 6 often refers to a sage that is beyond the affairs of this world, but often he is forced to come back and help the world. It can also mean though, someone who has gone too far in their actions, and has surpassed or attempted to surpass the power of the ruler. Rulers often don't like this. Unfortunately, none of us ever know how anyone is going to take anything so, especially in today's society, we live under the edge of Democle's sword. (Hopefully I got the right myth here, but we are always in danger of the string that holds the sword up of breaking.) Here we have a yin line in the fifth and a yang in the sixth. Neither line is in its correct position, this can refer to a conflict of sorts with someone in a powerful position.

When we get readings like this, I suggest that it is not a wise thing to focus too much on the negative. If we focus on it, we only tend more to draw the experience to us.

Now, let's look at the positive side. When these two lines change, they are now in their correct positions, and we have hexagram 31 which is mutual attraction. Perhaps not all is lost. Judging from your statements, I assume that the person who did not think too highly of your joke is a girlfriend, this can, but does not have to be the case, also, due to the fact that one line is yin, and one is yang. In 31, the lower trigram is "keeping still" which may be a wise thing on your part for the time being. The upper is joyous, talking, which, if we let things alone for a while, might work themselves out.

Keep us posted
Gene

 

[gene]

And Pakua

I might add, if only line 5 changes, we have 33, which means to stay put or even retreat for the time being. We can let it work out. If only the sixth, then we have sixty two. In sixty two, once again, we can't do to much. We have to hover near our home base. I feel that this is the same message repeated. Since both lines change, you have the hope presented in hexagram 31.

Gene

 

[gene]

Oh, and I was going to relate this to the superior man. In this reading, it is very hard. We do have though, I think an indication of how the superior man acts in this reading in line 5. First, the hexagram as a whole. The wanderer is a guest of the earthly realm, and so are we. As such we need to accomodate ourselves with the way a guest would act. First of all, in line 5, the superior man, as a guest, recognizes that to be recognized, he need to present himself as someone who can "be of service." Whenever we, as relationship wannabees attempt to enter into that relationship, we must first recognize a certain propriety, and a certain demeanor that at the first is neither too brusk, nor too jovial, in the sense of too lighthearted. We want to be respectful of life itself, joyous in its midst, but not at the same time convey ourselves as a buffoon. (And I am certainly not saying anyone has or is doing this, this is not a reading per se, but just an alternate way of looking at the wisdom portrayed.) As a rule, people will not accept us if we are of no service to them, not that they won't be mutually responsive in service. It is just that our attitude needs to be correct. The sixth line laughs, not that laughing is bad, but it is an inconsiderate, arrogant type of jesting, which the hexagram as a whole is counselling us against. The top line is often a line that has gone too far, and in so doing will sometimes have to, as indicated in the following hexagram, find a new ruler to subjugate himself/herself to. The fourth line says, "My heart is not glad." This is because the wanderer realizes that what is his is not really his, it is only supplied to him/her. The universe gives us things, but they are not ultimately ours, they are only ours to use in the service that we are here to accomplish. The hexagram constantly reminds us of the requirement of proper behavior.

However, from the standpoint of the wisdom of the I Ching itself, the punishment for infractions does not last, nor is it belaboured. "The superior man protracts no lawsuits." A neighbor or a queen might require our head at the slightest provocation. The I Ching does not do so, for it recognizes that we do not have its wisdom or understanding in dealing in the affairs of a world in which we are mere pilgrims...

More later
Gene

 

[gene]

Um, er, well, Pakua, maybe I should have said boyfriend/girlfriend. Funny how I just assume things every once in a while. Somehow I get an image in my head, a nickname might even make me think one way or another. Or maybe I'm insulting you now and not before. No insult intended. Just want to be careful.

Sorry,
Gene

 

[gene]

Pakua

I don't think that the idea is to get the superior man feeling. First of all, superior man is a relative thing. Superior to who or not. It might be better to say, the more spiritually advanced person, and I don't think it has anything to do with a feeling. I might have said that earlier, I'll have to go back and check, but if I did, I don't think I meant it in that context. We all have thoughts running through our head, that doesn't mean much except when we "own" a thought, put a value judgment on it, and say, "yeah, this is me." By doing so, we create who we are and what we experience in the outer world. Our inner world eventually creates our outer world. So to create the outer world that we want, we need to step outside of ourselves, see ourselves as if we are watching someone else, and review the thoughts, feelings and opinions that we accept as our own. It is this overview of complexes of thoughts and attitudes about ourselves that create our self image. In daily type readings, we are more likely confronting who we are in the inner world. Then we say, what thought, what opinion, what attitude would the superior person have here that I am or am not having? In the case of asking about a relationship, then I personally feel that the answer, while relating in a way to the inner world, is also directing us to look at our outer experiences. The daily reading might reflect more on what inner attitudes are causing me to have these daily experiences. In line six of hexagram 56 we may be asking too much of a given situation. The answer here may relate not to what is happening to us, but why it is happening. Then again maybe not. It is a matter of intuition and experience. Hexagram 17 line 4 resonates here with the hexagram 56 reading. In both cases, the subject is trying to please his/her lord with the results of a hunt. In other words, he/she is offering something to the ruler in line 5. However, if we try to overly please, or to flatter with too great a gift, we may still miss the mark. In the readings, the ruler things we are trying to surpass him/her, and this could lead to conflict. Enough is enough. From the standpoint of the superior man, he/she may need to retreat for a while from the subject do to an over zealous chase of the superior man's favors. (hex 56, line 5 changing.) In line six, the superior man retreats to his home base. (hexagram 62), Well, I am rambling, and I don't know if I am making any sense at all, but there are so many dimensions to reflect on from given readings, depending on what kind of information you care to derive from the reading.

Gene

 

[gene]

I see I made some spelling errors too. Hopefully it is understandable.

Gene

 

[gene]

Sparhawk

Thanks for that information.

Gene

 

[yly2pg1]

Hi Gene,

About the line of kingship in Europe, I am not surprised at all with your findings. Hope to see you chronicle your work.

Here is some clues for the line of emperorship in the Middle Kingdom:

The ancient Chinese of Zhou come from the northwest of China.The Chinese like to trace it as far as the Kun Lun Mountain Ranges, somewhere above Tibet.

If you interprete the old chinese literature pertaining to the some of the descriptions of Kun Lun, you may find interesting translations as
"The underground city of Huang Ti", "The place of thousands Gods(shen)","Middle Pillar of Heaven". And the ancient Chinese calls the north-west as
the "Gate of Heaven".

Believe me the classic feng shui has a lot to do with the "dragon chi" of mountain ranges.
It is a common practice that the ancient Chinese Emperors employed Yi/feng shui specialists
to damage any talesign of rising challenger simply by drying the "chi" of a particular
hills/mountains. It is always believed that a new emperor is a being receiving enormous
supply of "dragon chi" from a mountain ranges. The chinese calls the emperor body as "the
dragon body".

The work of "dragon chi" may be a bit bizzare but if you come to think with the unearthly
mindset, and correlate this to the "creation technology" of "earthly homo-sapien body",
it may suggest the rejuvenating power of nature to our body (both mentally and physically)
at certain geographic conditions. That explains why Feng Shui is relevent until today.

 

[gene]

Hi YLY2

I really appreciate your information. I also believe in Feng Shui, although I have never used it in my home or such, but I do study Tai Chi when I can. And contrary to so much of the modern stuff, I do put an emphasis on the development of Chi, and Jing. I know when the Chinese first started telling us westerners about that, most of us, especially our scientists and such just laughed. They thought it was ridiculous. Now they aren't laughing any more, except for a few of the old school ones. I was writing on this board recently about the new hyperdimensional physics some of our scientists have come up with, which brings back the old concept scientists two hundred years ago had about an aether, or what is now called the quantum hologram, or zero point energy. So much of what they are describing sounds just like Chi to me. It's a fascinating subject.

And yes, what remains of the old Indian population in this country sometimes tells us stories, (usually they don't tell us because we just laugh at them) but when they do tell us, they tell us of underground inhabitants that they ocassionally talk with. People similar to earth people but not exactly the same. I happen to be part Cherokee Indian myself, and my Dad grew up on the Navajo Indian reservation. He once knew the Hopi Indian language, and once told me that their stories about end time prophecies were almost exactly the same as in the Bible. At that time I was a little surprised.

Keep in touch
It's good to meet a Chinese person who still thinks like or understand the more traditional Chinese ways. Like you said, many of them know more about the Bible now...

Are you from mainland, or Taiwan? Just curious.
Gene

 

[pakua]

Hi Gene,

You wrote a lot, lots to digest.

First, neither girl nor boyfriend - she's my yoga teacher. While I don't have any romantic intentions, I'll admit to having a bit of a crush on her. Her classes really suit me. Also, she needs some help at this particular time. So there are multiple aspects to consider (as usual).

"the subject is trying to please his/her lord with the results of a hunt. In other words, he/she is offering something to the ruler in line 5. However, if we try to overly please, or to flatter with too great a gift, we may still miss the mark."

One of the readings I left out, also during this time period, was 42.5.6. So I didn't think there was too much danger of being too eager to please. Isn't 42.5 the essence of helping? And then 42.6 would keep me from going too far?

"The top line is often a line that has gone too far, and in so doing will sometimes have to, as indicated in the following hexagram, find a new ruler to subjugate himself/herself to."

I find it strange that I receive so many 6th line readings with this person, for example, in no particular order (since I don't have my notes with me) I got
2.5.6
10.2.6
11.6
17.4.6
42.5.6
50.3.6
53.5.6
56.5.6

interspersed were a few others of course. Would this indicate I relate to her more from an outside perspective?

"The sixth line laughs, not that laughing is bad, but it is an inconsiderate, arrogant type of jesting, which the hexagram as a whole is counselling us against"

Very close. And this is what bothers me. Relationship ups and downs are ok, that's just part of life, but what annoys me is, I tried to modify my attitude when I got 56.5.6, and being that it was a weekly reading, after a week or so had passed, and I didn't manifest that line, I thought I'd been successful. It was about 3 weeks later that I made one little joke, and it was obvious that my attitude was not "pure", for want of a better word. It's also clear that a "weekly" reading can last much longer than a week, which really confuses me. If you have a time-line in mind, why won't that work? It also means that I can't distinguish when the "time" or "feeling" of the reading is over. If I can't distinguish that, then how can I use the guidance of Yi correctly?

"I don't think that the idea is to get the superior man feeling... thought, what opinion, what attitude would the superior person have here that I am or am not having...overview of complexes of thoughts and attitudes"

I was thinking, that thoughts, opinions, attitudes eventually coalesce into a feeling. If it feels good...etc. Feeling is the result, no?

"the case of asking about a relationship, then I personally feel that the answer, while relating in a way to the inner world, is also directing us to look at our outer experiences"

Exactly. Except I'm not asking about a relationship per se, I'm asking about what is the best thing to do for the time, with no real goal or outcome in mind, so therefore it's more about the inner, while still being able to see cues and results in the outer. Of course there are unconscious and hidden goals as well, but they should be brought out into the open here.

"don't know if I am making any sense at all, but there are so many dimensions to reflect on "

Lots of different dimensions... it's very helpful to see your perspective.

 

[gene]

Hi Pakua

After my first post, I really wasn't trying to do a reading for you, just looking at different perspectives within a given hexagram. When I get my books with me, I will look at 42.5. I don't have time however, to go through all the hexagrams, sorry. If you are reading about a particular relationship, even teacher student type, I would be careful about reading too often. Weekly readings are normally for wisdom. If for anything else they tend to dilute the field so to speak if there are too many of them.

Not all sixth lines are negative, Pakua, it depends on the interaction of the lines as a whole. In another sense, nothing is negative, but that is a whole different argument. I just don't have time to go analyze all those sixth lines. I do know right off hand that #53 line 6 describes a very pleasant situation.

Personally, I think you are freaking out way to much over this situation. Just let it be. If she needs helpers, and you are one of the right ones, she will let you know. You do say you have a crush on her, and that is pretty normal for guys with someone they work with that often. I think it may be stronger than you realize.

Perhaps the joke didn't go over because she is trying to display a professional image in line with the class she is teaching? Maybe she is playing teacher to you. I don't know, but right now I gotta go, focus on some other stuff. We can talk about it more later if you like.

Gene

 

[pakua]

Hi Gene,

Thanks for all your different perspectives.

Sorry if I seemed to imply I was asking for detail readings on all those hexes... I was just thinking of an overview kind of thing, what kind of pattern having many 6th line hexes would mean, and those were just examples. I love looking for patterns.

The other main things were time-lines of readings, and the superior man and feelings, but they can wait for later.

 

[gene]

Pakua

There seems to be a lot of combinations of fifth and sixth lines, so, I guess, a lot of what I said in the above would apply there too. The combination of a fifth and sixth line is often someone with some authority seeking the counsel of someone who no longer involves themselves with politics, but knows the way, so to speak. This does fit in somewhat as one line can refer to you, and the other line refer to her. That is just one light to put on it though. As she is your yoga teacher, you might be looking to her for light and inspiration. She also may be judging you as to whether you can be a helper to her.

As for a time line, all I can say is, I wouldn't read too often over the same situation. If I have asked a specific question about a specific event, I would give it at least three months, but that is just me. For any individual, it could be different. If you want to read weekly, look for the wisdom the I Ching has to impart, which may or may not impact on your interaction with her.

Gene

 

[yly2pg1]

Hi Gene,

Just back from my hometown 50km away.

You say you develop chi and jing. So what is Jing from quantum hologram point of view? It seems you know something about 'Jing'.

When come to the end-time prophecies, i like the notion of "entropy", though i may not really understand the term quite right. Yi itself dispenses space-time processes (Hex) at min. disorderity. But there will be one day a space-time realm will run out of "fuel" that sustain the very existence a realm. Just like our body will age when deprived of enzymes, hormones etc while the root can be traced to the disorderity of genes in our body.

You and Your Dad experience in India reminds of the decline of GB. I used to be very much interested in the decline of British manufacturing before I know anything about Yi during my college life. There has been quite a number of research and reports in this area, but at last, something come to my mind. The people in the UK at this era are pretty much "poverty of desire", and it has something to do with India in the space-time context.

BTW, I am from Penang, and Cornwallis used be to be the chief resident here after the US independent. I will tell you more if you want to.

Keep in touch!

 

[gene]

Hi YLY2

I actually meant Indians here in America. When America was first discovered, the Europeans thought they were in India so they called the natives Indians, but they were really people who look Asian except the eyes are more like ours, and probably originally came from Asia. They were much better warriors in many ways than the Europeans, but they eventually got mostly wiped out do to superior fire power of the Europeans.

The Mayan Indians of South America actually have a calendar that indicates a rip in the fabric of time coming about around the year 2012. Its all very interesting.

Gene

 

[yly2pg1]

Hi Gene,


About the American Indian, some evidence shows that they are from Asia, and most probably
from China. I personally do not have much problem to believe in that. People migrate for
one reason or another, particularly during warring periods. For example, I belongs to the "Hakka" sect. There are about 50 millions Hakka in China. But they do not occupy a state that can be called their own in China. They are spread out thru out China. There have been a few major migrations for Hakka from the northern China to the rest of China and the process takes up 2 thousand years or longer.

I happen to read a japanese comic (translated into Chinese) about the Warring Periods
somewhere 500 BC in China. The Japanese author make some interesting conclusion about the disappearing of the disciple of one very popular school in China, "the school of Mo".
The fact is there are three major schools of thought in China then namely Confucianism, Taoism and "Mo". The values of "Mo" include discipline, art-of-warrior,and a very resilient and strong sense of survival ... if you know what i am talking about.

In China, the school of "Mo" have somewhat changed after that and preoccupy the Chinese life thru the underground secret societies, which are found in the chinatown throughout the world.

Just like you will not find much direct application of Yi nowadays.
Yi has transformed itself into various school of thoughts and practices, inclusive the acupunture.

 

[yly2pg1]

Acc. to the Buddhist scripture, there are 28 realms, out of which 80% of the realms
will rupture. Start from the bottom realm and move upwards.
A return to the formation of realms will follow.
Start from the upper realms down towards the bottom. It is a periodic cycle.

End-day prophecy for the earth may be earlier than the rupture of the space-time realm
we are existing. Coz it is a local rupture within a much bigger context. The story about
the ancient emperor "Huang Ti" which is said to be about five thousands year ago is believed
to happen million of years ago by the space-time standard acc. to a author
(who give a different version of interpretation to "Shan Hai Jing").

 

[pakua]

Hi Gene,

"As for a time line, all I can say is, I wouldn't read too often over the same situation. If I have asked a specific question about a specific event, I would give it at least three months, but that is just me. For any individual, it could be different. If you want to read weekly, look for the wisdom the I Ching has to impart, which may or may not impact on your interaction with her. "

My weekly readings are done with the intention of cultivating the right attitude, of doing the right thing for the time. In that sense, I see it as perhaps similar to "seeking wisdom", as you mentioned, except in the context of relationship. I'm interested in seeing a larger picture. I'm fascinated in how power shifts around, in the patterns that develop, in the subtle energies that exist between people, and how those are displayed and affect each other.

I don't really have a stake in the outcome, except of course wanting things to be fruitful and positive.

So assuming for the moment that it is a "wisdom" type reading, how does one determine how long it lasts? Can one even put a time frame on it? On the one hand I would say no, since wisdom lasts forever, but on the other hand, the times change. What is appropriate today may be inappropriate tomorrow. But how do you know when tomorrow has come?

 

[yly2pg1]

Hi Pakua,

The danger of Yi lies in its effect that one may tend to become a emotional bystander when one is absorbed to "see" things develop, its development pattern and interactions, coz we are dealing with the worldly. Cherish the right values and doing the right things may not necessary change the course of the development pattern, but it changes its contents.

I like the words "connection" used by Karcher. It imples that the diviner has got the meanings in the process of doing the right thing. Connection is like paving a path when we are really involved in the "process" of making the right choice and doing the right thing when positive result is the fruit of tomorrow.

 

[pakua]

Hi Yly2pg1,

I agree, there are lots of risks. Using Yi to remain uninvolved is one of them. I think somehow a balance is required. There should be a part of you which remains aware and uninvolved, the witness, which simply observes, while the rest of you stays involved. I find that very difficult. If I try to stay aware, I find I sometimes lose sight of actual interactions, and if I get involved completely, I lose my memory of what's really happening. It often ends up that I'm shifting in and out... hard to do two things at once.

re "connection" I suppose it means to get the right meaning and change your attitude completely and correctly before you engage, then you don't need to worry about what happens during the engagement. And yet, there are so many references to being watchful interspersed throughout the lines.

I'm not sure what you mean by "Cherish the right values and doing the right things may not necessary change the course of the development pattern, but it changes its contents."

How can you change the contents and not change the course?