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What do you think the Yi is trying to tell me by continually giving me 64...static or with moving lines..when I ask about a particular issue? (My first question was, 'What do I need to know about this issue now?'. The answer was: 64)

This is the issue I asked about a few weeks ago and received 1->49 when I asked what I should do about it.
 
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64.. a new age... a new begining... but you need: a) determination to leave the past in the past; b) clarity to discriminate all the elements interacting for a new situation; and c) act only when the time is correct to do it.

Seems that the "issue" is something that is over now; and you need to leave it behind your path, in order to open yourself to something new.

Best wishes
 

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IMHO your a bit off track here Jesed. 64 covers the notions of (a) making mistakes and not completing and (b) avoiding closure, remaining open, intentionally 'not completing'.

The skeletal form is described by analogy to:

010101 (64)
100001 (27)
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110100 (54)

What this indicates is an issue here with generic 54 and so on issues of general immaturity where for 64 the focus is on (a) not getting something 'right' and (b) on closing/completing too soon. (both reflected in the fox getting its tail wet - it makes a mistake in crossing, a mis-step, too 'confident' in closure, in completing the crossing, and so physical and mental get 'out of step')

As a hexagram of two trigrams 64 reads : with containment comes direction-setting.

OTOH 63 reads : with guidance comes control.

Trigrams in the top position reflect refinements of their natures when in a bottom position.
 

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BTW - this makes 64 the skeletal form of 54 and covers the issues of closing too soon, immature actions but also exploiting that, to avoid closure, get more information and so move from expending energy 'immaturly' to being more mature - be it by choice or context forcing the issue.
 
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to me 64 is a little bit different from both of the above viewpoints, very often to me it represents an incomplete/unfinished situation, nearly always it calls for careful consideration of the situation, i always feel it is important to discern the factors that affect the situation and how they affect the situation, nearly always some adjustment to the situation is required to bring it to completion,
all the best,
paul
 
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Yet another view, though I believe Chris covers it, is the "ah" moment, such as when beholding a beautiful sunset or a work of art which speaks to you, but you can't quite say why.
 
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Yeh, Chris! 54 - out of your comfort zone, or your ability (or willingness) to bring closer.
 

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Given the self-referencing of the IC (brought out especially well in the natural binary ordering such that the XOR-derived descriptions above stem directly from the universal IC 'free' of our local interaction) we can take the XOR pairs of 27-ness and form quartets that then form an octet (and so on into another 64 (32pair) sequence. The octet for 64-54 is:

((64<->54), (53<->63)),((29<->61), (62<->30))


Each reflects a qualitative aspect that is grouped with another pair to form a quartet and that in turn is grouped with another quartet etc etc

What all of this covers is the STRUCTURE of the hexagram meanings, not the methodology of 'random' derivation of those meanings.

Here is the full sequence of the 27-ness ordering of the IC where we XOR 27 with the binary sequence and so we have ordered these in binary sequence down the context column, from 000000 to 111111 (1/0 ordering left-to-right = bottom-to-top)

The 53->63 and 62->30 pairs are in the second octet below and 'opposed' by the 54->64 and 61->29 pairs in the 7th octet (the first four octets 'map' to the last four octets as reflections ('opposites').

archetype => context => expression

100001 => 000000 => 100001 (27=>02=>27)
100001 => 000001 => 100000 (27=>23=>24)
100001 => 000010 => 100011 (27=>08=>42)
100001 => 000011 => 100010 (27=>20=>03)
100001 => 000100 => 100101 (27=>16=>21)
100001 => 000101 => 100100 (27=>35=>51)
100001 => 000110 => 100111 (27=>35=>25)
100001 => 000111 => 100110 (27=>45=>17)

100001 => 001000 => 101001 (27=>15=>22)
100001 => 001001 => 101000 (27=>52=>36)
100001 => 001010 => 101011 (27=>39=>37)
100001 => 001011 => 101010 (27=>53=>63)
100001 => 001100 => 101101 (27=>62=>30)
100001 => 001101 => 101100 (27=>56=>55)
100001 => 001110 => 101111 (27=>31=>13)
100001 => 001111 => 101110 (27=>33=>49)

100001 => 010000 => 110001 (27=>07=>41)
100001 => 010001 => 110000 (27=>04=>19)
100001 => 010010 => 110011 (27=>29=>61)
100001 => 010011 => 110010 (27=>59=>60)
100001 => 010100 => 110101 (27=>40=>38)
100001 => 010101 => 110100 (27=>64=>54)
100001 => 010110 => 110111 (27=>47=>10)
100001 => 010111 => 110110 (27=>06=>38)

100001 => 011000 => 111001 (27=>46=>26)
100001 => 011001 => 111000 (27=>18=>11)
100001 => 011010 => 111011 (27=>48=>09)
100001 => 011011 => 111010 (27=>57=>05)
100001 => 011100 => 111101 (27=>32=>14)
100001 => 011101 => 111100 (27=>50=>34)
100001 => 011110 => 111111 (27=>28=>01)
100001 => 011111 => 111110 (27=>44=>43)

100001 => 100000 => 000001 (27=>24=>23)
100001 => 100001 => 000000 (27=>27=>02)
100001 => 100010 => 000011 (27=>03=>20)
100001 => 100011 => 000010 (27=>42=>08)
100001 => 100100 => 000101 (27=>51=>35)
100001 => 100101 => 000100 (27=>21=>16)
100001 => 100110 => 000111 (27=>17=>12)
100001 => 100111 => 000110 (27=>25=>45)

100001 => 101000 => 001001 (27=>36=>52)
100001 => 101001 => 001000 (27=>22=>15)
100001 => 101010 => 001011 (27=>63=>53)
100001 => 101011 => 001010 (27=>37=>39)
100001 => 101100 => 001101 (27=>55=>56)
100001 => 101101 => 001100 (27=>30=>62)
100001 => 101110 => 001111 (27=>49=>33)
100001 => 101111 => 001110 (27=>13=>31)

100001 => 110000 => 010001 (27=>19=>04)
100001 => 110001 => 010000 (27=>41=>07)
100001 => 110010 => 010011 (27=>60=>59)
100001 => 110011 => 010010 (27=>61=>29)
100001 => 110100 => 010101 (27=>54=>64)
100001 => 110101 => 010100 (27=>38=>40)
100001 => 110110 => 010111 (27=>58=>06)
100001 => 110111 => 010110 (27=>10=>47)

100001 => 111000 => 011001 (27=>11=>18)
100001 => 111001 => 011000 (27=>26=>46)
100001 => 111010 => 011011 (27=>05=>57)
100001 => 111011 => 011010 (27=>09=>48)
100001 => 111100 => 011101 (27=>34=>50)
100001 => 111101 => 011100 (27=>14=>32)
100001 => 111110 => 011111 (27=>43=>44)
100001 => 111111 => 011110 (27=>01=>28)



Chris.
 
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So, you are saying that:
a) a New begining is not something "not completing" (Chris)?,
b) a new Begining is not something that is "remaining open"? (Chris)
c) a New Begining is only completing something (Chris), so, 64 is not a New Begining because 64 is not about complete something?
d) a new Beginging is not something incomplete/unfinished?(Waveringdragon)


I mean, I'm not saying that what Chris and Waveringdragon said about 64 is wrong.. what I'm saying is that wht they said don't contradict 64 as a new Begining.

Now, I think that what they don't seems to "fit" in my comment is about "leave something in the past" (are you understanding this sentence = to complete something? = something is finish?)

I try to explain better..

Had anyone wonder why AFTER CROSS THE RIVER arrive first than BEFORE CROSS THE RIVER in the pair secuence from "Heaven" to "Before completation"?

Why first is "After" and later arrive "Before"?

Doesn't the logic points in the other direction?
Fist you are like "before crossing" and then you are like "after crossing"?

This order in Yi Jing is Because 63 is about "after crossing" age A and 64 is about "before crossing" to start age B.
So, 63-64 pair is about a transition from age A to age B. But, you can get age B before you leave age A in your past.

So, when you are in 64, age A is alredy over, altough age B isn't arrive completely. That's why you need so much caution; and that's why you need leave past in the past.

If you try to go back from 64 to the past (63), you arrive to 63.6 (previous line in this secuence).

So, yes: you must not complete too soon age B (Chris), and the New age B is unfinished alredy ( Waveringdragon).

But the fisrt precaution is not go back to age A.. let past age A in the past.

Best wishes
 
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ps
error in paragrah 8
It said: "But, you can get age B before you leave age A in your past."

It must say: "But, you can NOT get age B before you leave age A in your past."

sorry for this error
 

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I like the name that LiSe gives to hexagram 64: "Not yet across".
If I remember correctly Wilhelm calls this hexagram "hopeful" and that is the feeling that it gives me. Something is building up and it is not yet completed, but it can be completed.
Based on the trigrams 64 could be read as "from darkness into the light" or as "from confusion to clarity". Or as a process in which focus and coherence are increasing.

All very hopeful.

Subjective? I guess we all write our own I Ching.
 
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Hi Martin:

I agree with your sense of 64 as "hopeful" and something that is "building up".

There is only one thing I see diferent from you:
"Based on the trigrams 64 could be read as "from darkness into the light" or as "from confusion to clarity". "

Actually, any line and any trigram "came in" from the bottom, and "go out" from the top.

So, in 64 light and clarity (Li) is the one that is going; and danger (Kan) is coming. Li is the old and Kan is the new. Clarity is going, not achieved.

"from darkness into the light" describe well, on the other hand, 63: from stagnation (12) into Order (63)
 

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Ah, that's interesting Jesed. I read hexagrams bottom up, as a transition from the bottom to the top trigram. So the state or the situation that is depicted by the bottom trigram is going while the state/situation that corresponds to the top trigram is coming.
But maybe that is also subjective!
 
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Well, again diferents levels:

a) when searching for calendaric time frame, inner trigram is when the time started, and outer trigram when it would end (in this specifyc technique, th "rule" is something like you do)
b) when searching for a subjective qualification: inner trigram is the thoughts and outer trigram is the actions
c) when serching for the "nature" of one person, inner trigram es Macrocosmical fate and outer trigram is microcosmical fate
d) when searchig for the personality of one person, inner trigram in temperament and outer trigram is character
e) when searching for an objective qualification, inner trigram is what is coming and outer trigram what is going.

Of course, One must not "believe" all this techniques just because someone say them.

So, confirm or disconfirm this techniques contrasting them with reality;


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From the perspective of the Universal I Ching and the emphasis on self-referencing, the hexagram AS A WHOLE is described by references to all of the other hexagrams.

The hexagram can also be broken down into trigrams, diagrams, or line analysis but in that process, we are moving from general to particular, raw to refined, beginning to ending etc etc etc such that there are qualitative differences between a trigram in lower vs the same trigram in upper. (see general comments on this dynamic in http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/wavedicho.html as well as http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/WaveInterpret.html )

To use the IC to extract the description of a hexagram you XOR the hexagram under review with each of the others to give an analogy used to describe. Thus, using hexagram 64 we XOR it with all of the other hexagrams to give us analogies about it.

For example, XOR with 27 gives us an analogy of 64s skeletal form, core infrastructure etc (here described by analogy to 54) The others are listed below in summary form. Note that the analogies are GENERAL, VAGUE, DIFFUSE, in that being universals they cover a wide area. WE then LOCALISE the meanings by grounding the hexagram in some local context and so the variations we see in personal descriptions.

As for 'new beginnings' etc, if we take 24 as a marker of beginning then that is expressed in 64 through analogy to 38. OTOH we could use 51 as the core sense of 'new' and get the 51-ness of 64 described by analogy to 41. etc etc

As for such notions as personalities etc that is covered in recursion of the MBTI categories that map to the same space as the I Ching and so we can use one to aid in fleshing out descriptions of the other. In the MBTI the hexagrams develop bottom to top and so each adding of a line gives finer resolution power. (e.g. see:

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~ddiamond/mbti.html or the later http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/type.html


Chris.
========= hexagram 64s "Spectrum" ==============
00 :: (02) : What is this hexagrams's potential form? :: 64
01 :: (24) : How does this hexagram 'start', express 'beginning'? :: 38
02 :: (07) : How does this hexagram express uniformity, establishment of? :: 35
03 :: (19) : How does this hexagram express approaching the 'high'; defer to the 'low'? :: 21
04 :: (15) : How does this hexagram level things out, keep words close to facts? :: 50
05 :: (36) : How does this hexagram protect its 'light' when not its time? :: 14
06 :: (46) : How does this hexagram become more entangled with something/someone? :: 56
07 :: (11) : How does this hexagram balance/harmonise, mediate? :: 30
08 :: (16) : How does this hexagram express foresight/planning? :: 4
09 :: (51) : How does this hexagram express surprise, enlightenment, shock? :: 41
10 :: (40) : How does this hexagram express tension release through relaxing structure? :: 23
11 :: (54) : How does this hexagram expend early energy, imaturity? :: 27
12 :: (62) : How does this hexagram express overacting to establish unconditional loyalty? :: 18
13 :: (55) : How does this hexagram deal with abundance/overflowing? :: 26
14 :: (32) : How does this hexagram express commitment? :: 52
15 :: (34) : How does this hexagram actively invigorate others? :: 22
16 :: (08) : How does this hexagram passively attract? :: 6
17 :: (03) : How does this hexagram 'sprout'? :: 10
18 :: (29) : How does this hexagram assert containment/control? :: 12
19 :: (60) : How does this hexagram standardise? :: 25
20 :: (39) : How does this hexagram obstruct, go against, stand up to, the flow? :: 44
21 :: (63) : How does this hexagram complete, 'get it right'? :: 1
22 :: (48) : Where does this hexagram get its nutrition, what sustains it, keeps it going? :: 33
23 :: (05) : How does this hexagram wait for opportunity to come? :: 13
24 :: (45) : How does this hexagram celebrate its 'faith'? :: 59
25 :: (17) : How does this hexagram find a faith? What is its faith? :: 61
26 :: (47) : How does this hexagram integrate with the context, be it by choice or otherwise? :: 20
27 :: (58) : How does this hexagram express itself intensely, self-reflect? :: 42
28 :: (31) : How does this hexagram 'woo', express restrained enticement? :: 57
29 :: (49) : How does this hexagram reveal, unmask? :: 9
30 :: (28) : How does this hexagram express excess, go beyond what is required? :: 53
31 :: (43) : How does this hexagram 'seed', spread the word? :: 37
32 :: (23) : How does this hexagram 'housekeep', clear chaff to bring out the wheat? :: 40
33 :: (27) : What is the basic, skelatal form of this hexagram, The mud from which it has emerged? :: 54
34 :: (04) : How does this hexagram learn social skills? :: 16
35 :: (41) : How does this hexagram achieve clarity, concentration, distillation? :: 51
36 :: (52) : How does this hexagram express blocking, discernment? :: 32
37 :: (22) : What does this hexagram look like, how does it present itself to the outside? :: 34
38 :: (18) : How does this hexagram correct corruption, express that correction? :: 62
39 :: (26) : How does this hexagram express 'holding firm' to traditions? :: 55
40 :: (35) : How does this hexagram bring something into the 'light'? :: 7
41 :: (21) : How does this hexagram resolve problems? :: 19
42 :: (64) : How does this hexagram remain 'open', mis-sequence? :: 2
43 :: (38) : How does this hexagram 'mirror', deal with opposition? :: 24
44 :: (56) : How does this hexagram demonstrate conditional loyalty; loyalty at a distance? :: 46
45 :: (30) : How does this hexagram express guidance/direction setting? :: 11
46 :: (50) : How does this hexagram express conversion of the raw to the cooked, transformation? :: 15
47 :: (14) : How does this hexagram manage from the centre? Direct operations? Push ideology? :: 36
48 :: (20) : How does this hexagram elicit admiration and so invigorate others passively? :: 47
49 :: (42) : How does this hexagram reflect augmentation? :: 58
50 :: (59) : How does this hexagram make things clear, dispell illusions? lift the fog? :: 45
51 :: (61) : How does this hexagram express empathy? yielding, soft core, hard exterior? :: 17
52 :: (53) : How does this hexagram express gradual development, maturity? :: 28
53 :: (37) : How does this hexagram reflect rigid structure as a form of tension release? :: 43
54 :: (57) : How does this hexagram cultivate and become influencial? :: 31
55 :: (09) : How does this hexagram express making small gains to be noticed? :: 49
56 :: (12) : How does this hexagram neutralise attacks on its core beliefs? :: 29
57 :: (25) : How does this hexagram stand up to say its piece, ignoring consequences, disentangle? :: 60
58 :: (06) : How does this hexagram compromise, meet half way? :: 8
59 :: (10) : How does this hexagram traverse a path carefully? :: 3
60 :: (33) : How does this hexagram draw-in its enemies, competitively entice? :: 48
61 :: (13) : How does this hexagram express association with the likeminded? :: 5
62 :: (44) : How does this hexagram persuade/seduce? :: 39
63 :: (01) : How does this hexagram express singlemindedness, competitiveness? :: 63
 
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Hi Chris

In order to understand you well...

What is your direct answer to the question that started this post?
"What do you think the Yi is trying to tell me by continually giving me 64"
 

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BTW - in the context of 'groking' the universal aspects of 64 note how the 'beginning' analogy (24-ness) is to 38 and so a sense of opposition, either reactively or proactively, starts it off. This is 'vague' in that we are dealing with a general 'vibe' that then gets particularised by the local context.

The duality present in all hexagrams means we can, in the context of 64, experience issues with incorrect 'closure' (we get our tail wet etc, we mis-sequence) OR we intentionally DELAY closure; hold out for more information etc etc. and so avoid closure.

The GENERIC form, the 'waving of hands' level, of 64-ness is covered by analogy to 54 that covers both wasting of energy at the beginning (and so the sense of 'beginning' is present but from the analogy of 54, not 64 itself) as well as being forced to 'grow up' quickly due to circumstances outside of one's control.

All of these cover issues of mis-sequencing, not getting something 'right' or on intentionally avoiding closure. This feeds into the GENERIC form of 54 which is described by analogy to 64 where the sense of 'incompleteness' etc feeds the explicit form of 54 - 'immaturity'.

Once an archetype is 'started' so it has a particular path to follow to completion unless interrupted or suspended or 'dies'. From a GENERAL perspective all 64 states have a 'goal' but there in no guarantee each state will complete!

For details on the use of small network analysis to understand this, see my pages on history in the .pdf file:

http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/Vague.pdf

Chris.
 
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jesed

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Yes, i now that... but now I'm asking you if all your work CAN HELP Clarissa...

best wishes
 
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jesed

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Just to avoid misunderstandings (is funny how someone that give so much importance of the way whe derivate meanings missunderstand so easy what others mean):

I'm not interesting in an "abstract" or "speculative" use of Yi Jing... I'm interesting in use Yi Jing as a help to people.

If any knowledge of Yi Jing CANN'T end in a helping apllication to ordinary people (ordinary = not specialist people), then that knowledge is only an elitist 'mumbo jumbo' as you said (no mater if is a traditional, esoteric, academic or neuroscientist 'mumbo jumbo')

On the other hand.. if your words aren't to help people in concrete problems and doubts, but to probe your opinion... is ok (only I'm not interesting in following that)

Best wishes
 

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I get the vibe from your comments so far that you seem to resent being 'corrected'! ;-) LOL! -

(1) I have no idea whether my work is helpful to Clarissa or not since I was not posting to her, I was posting to, IMHO, YOUR 'unhelpful' or 'misleading' or 'stretched' comments on 64.... and further conversation took place with others also focused on 64 (and no longer on Clarissa's particular issue) - I emphasised that we can now get the IC to tell us, to describe to us, what each hexagram 'means' as a direct understanding of its self-referencing abilities (discovered working on recursion and XOR etc)

(2) everything I write re the I Ching is helpful in that it gives a view of the I Ching as a universal and so a view of the 'bigger' picture that extends/transcends the 'traditional' perspectives.

In that 'helpfulness' is included material that shows how the IC can work profitably for all if used from a universal perspective and that includes recognising that:

(a) using the 'traditional' methods ANY hexagram will be found meaningful for a question but within that are the hexagrams sorted from best-fit to worst-fit. There is no guarantee of constently getting the 'best fit' nore being able to derive the complete order of the 64 hexagrams for the question. We can 'skew' the 'random/miracle' methods to bias yin or yang but that is still context-sensitive (in space and in time - e.g. yarrow stick bias to yin fits more the times of ancient china - these days we move into coins and on into a yang bias)

The WHOLE of the IC acts as a filter and operates as a WHOLE is perceived unconsciously - see comments etc in:

http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/wavedicho.html

(b) through analysis of neurology etc we can map out how our brains derive and communicate meaning and in so doing identify methods to get the 'best fit' more consistantly than the traditional methods - as covered in the links I supplied earlier.

IOW the ICPlus material validates the properties and methods of the IC outside of its 'Western' interpretation of some esoteric, mystical, 'divination' tool - and at the same time brings out properties of the 'traditional' not covered, or weakly covered, in the current I Ching texts we have in the West (gets into my comments that 'they' had no idea what they were dealing with but did a good job in trying to identify what was going on)

To focus on Clarissa's "problem" I would suggest the use of the questions method to aid her and let us know what she gets in the context of her question - general probability is based on an infinite time span and so allows for repetitions of a hexagram by chance alone!

Note that the questions method favours identifying the CONTEXT and so what elements in that context will PUSH her (recognising that our instincts/habits reflect adaptations to context from the species-nature position, our primate-ness etc)

GIVEN the context hexagram we can XOR its details and see how it will develop regardless of our input. THEN comes the choices:

(a) adapt to the context by responding to its stimulus with the preferred response
OR
(b) try and assert one's own context to 'replace' the existing (more so 'overlay' the existing with one's own 'small world')
OR
(c) move on.

All the above three points reflect the possible actions of CONSCIOUSNESS in its role as mediator with the environment and so the ability to CHOOSE - even if general/limited ;-) (by knowing what is pushing you can adjust accordingly as well as pre-empt the push)


- and so ICPlus is all helpful and, with some effort, totally understandable and usable to the level of being revolutionary in our understanding of how 'divination' material has come about other than through 'ad hoc' methods of the ancients (and that included novel, local, labels etc that can serve to hide the nature of the underlying universals in their fullest form)

Chris.
 

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Chris! Can you clarify something for me please sir, you said;

"general probability is based on an infinite time span and so allows for repetitions of a hexagram by chance alone!"

Does this mean you acknowledge chance/coincidence over the existance of synchronisation?

And wow its cold here, England is having the 'big freeze' at the moment, coldest winter in years!
 
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Hi Jesed,

Though I?ve found your contributions here to be interesting and helpful, I too must disagree with your assessment on this one: 64 as a new beginning. I follow your reasoning but for me, at least, it doesn?t hold up well.

As it relates to Clarissa?s repeated readings of 64, either the time has ?not yet? come to resolve the matter in question, or else the matter is to be accepted without trying to bring closure to it - such as when admiring a flower without the need to own it or explain it. Her will and even her paws may have already touched the other side, but not yet her tail, which is the last thing to cross. There is still an unrelatedness between her vision and her reality.

At least that?s how I see it.
 

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I'm going to toss something out for discussion...

There are two things going on in my life that are connected in a way: situation x and situation y.

A few days ago I asked what I should do about x. The Yi's answer was 33..no moving lines. When I later asked a related question about x...I received 33 again, but I can't remember the moving lines. It wasn't a good reading anyway.

At the same time I asked what I should do about y. The Yi's response was 1 -> 49...which I found puzzling. Was the 49 related to what was happening with x? I say that because there most definitely WAS a 49 going on with x. I retreated (33) from situation x and it appears to be very 49. That leave...situation y. Therefore, I asked what I needed to know right now about situation y. The Yi's first response was 64, no moving lines. I asked some related questions and also received 64..with moving lines. So, I'm wondering....

Does the repeated 64 regarding situation y signal a new beginning? I don't know...because 64 is one of those hexagram's that I really don't understand at all. Yes, I'm certainly 'not across' with situation y....but I wonder why the Yi seems to be shouting that at me.

Btw, I've also received 12.6 quite a few times regarding situation y...even though I don't actually see any movement overcoming a standstill. Perhaps it's going on beneath the radar?
 
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Hex. 1 lines 2 and 6 seem to express similar ideas as your 64 readings. There is a process (a creation) going on here that is "not yet" ready to fully reveal or express itself, and forcing the matter (1.6) brings danger (as in getting your tail wet).

If the time isn't right, action born of anxiety can only make trouble.
 
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Be in and enjoy the moment, even if it does feel a bit suspended.
 

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This is an interesting discussion! A 'new beginning' is that which comes after the completion of something/a cycle. I think Jessed was trying to indicate 64 means a new beginning once all the elements of a situation have been understood, for after completion, there is always born a seed of beginning. 64 represets the process of transformation, something 'not-yet' completed (as depicted in 49 Skinning away old forms), whereby the former situation is fording into a new stream of events. Like winter crosses into Spring, the end of something is also the beginning.

Just a side thought - 63 and 64 feel a lot like Einsteins E=MC2 equation to me. The process of energy constantly renewing itself. 63 is the conversion of matter to energy, symbolised from the bottom line upwards, yang to yin, yang to yin, yang to yin. And 64 is the conversion of matter to energy, yin to yang, yin to yang, yin to yang. So looking at it this way, 64 is the breaking down of exisiting foundations, releasing energy for the birth of a new Spring. In essence, Jesseds interpretation is correct.
 

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sorry correction:- that should be 64 is the conversion of energy to matter. So looking at it this way, 64 is the breaking down of exisiting foundations, releasing energy for the birth of a new Spring. In essence, Jesseds interpretation is correct.

Cold hands, cold mind, can anyone convert some energy into a warm blanket for me?
 

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Matt - the point I was making re probabilities is that due to the infinite time span so 64 could appear 10 times in a row and still be a 1 in 64 shot - IOW nothing 'special' is necessarily going on.... that said the coins/dice etc could be 'biased' ;-)
 

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