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And if there are a million patterns...There's no logic to it. If there was a pattern, a million people would have seen it by now.
Why isn't anyone talking about the Mawangdui sequence, which has impeccable archaeological credentials predating all this heady speculation about King Wen? There is no proof I know of that the King Wen sequence was the original one, the one intended by the framers of the Yi.
Why isn't anyone talking about the Mawangdui sequence, which has impeccable archaeological credentials predating all this heady speculation about King Wen? There is no proof I know of that the King Wen sequence was the original one, the one intended by the framers of the Yi.
There's no logic to it. If there was a pattern, a million people would have seen it by now.
And if there are a million patterns...
But the question of what's original isn't half as interesting to me as the question of what makes sense and works well.
As a picture of where you're coming from/ how you're getting here, the 'King Wen' sequence is superb.
Why isn't anyone talking about the Mawangdui sequence, which has impeccable archaeological credentials predating all this heady speculation about King Wen?
Dobro - I don't think the Mawangdui Yi is just a sloppy and botched copy of some purer original. That sounds like the kind of put-down we use about things we do not want to consider.
I would like somebody to explain to me the benefits of this speculation about the King Wen sequence, since you all seem to hold it in such high regard.
What is all this business of "making sense" and "working very well"? It doesn't make sense to me, just like Chris Lofting's theories didn't make sense either.
It doesn't help me in my readings.
I see no evidence of extraordinary cleverness in the ancient Chinese.
Help me out here.
That's one way of looking at things: the words are just an interpretation of the hexagrams and lines. Having tried that one on for size, though, let's also try:martin-squared said:Whatever the Chinese, Confucians or not, wrote about the hexagrams and lines, it's only their interpretation and their (necessarily imperfect) wording of the meaning of the hexagrams and lines.
Neither way of looking seems to me to have much mileage in it - either seems to throw out whole families of babies with the bathwater. Unfortunately, it's pretty much impossible for any normal human brain to encompass the whole picture of the thing, so we have this distressing tendency of promoting the part we have an affinity with to be 'the true I Ching', and demoting the rest to be an add-on. Oops.
Yes, I agree. But I think that neither the text nor the hexagrams are the 'true I Ching'.
I'm telling you people, nowadays we have so much cattle around in the world, emitting so much methane, for what? Only to provide us with milk and beef? Hmmm, all those bones going to waste... We should go back to scapulimancy!!!
Of course, we should ban the use of any Brit cows. Those are just "mad cows"...
But seriously now for 1 moment, lol, the common root would be, umm, not cattle but experience (with the Yi and life), feeling, intuition? Analysis (textual or structural) is useful, necessary sometimes, interesting and fun, but it's not everything. That's all I'm saying.
Now, don't fight, simply nod, because I'm right, isn't it?
Dobro--and anyone else who finds nothing insightful in the KWS in light of personal experience with the Oracle, let's try the challenge you seem to imply.... take an oracle, perhaps one involving this thread, conversation or community so that we could each and all have personal experience of what the oracle is talking about. You interpret it your way ignoring the sequence, and I will comment from only the Sequence number, and moving line position and we shall see how useful the structural approach is in actual Oracle use.
:bows:martin said:But seriously now for 1 moment, lol, the common root would be, umm, not cattle but experience (with the Yi and life), feeling, intuition? Analysis (textual or structural) is useful, necessary sometimes, interesting and fun, but it's not everything. That's all I'm saying.
Now, don't fight, simply nod, because I'm right, isn't it?
A friend of mine was celebrating her 48th birthday, and asked “How can I achieve happiness and contentment in the year ahead?” Coins were tossed, and the result was 59.5.6 > 7.
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