what does the Yi think of the Covid vaccine 21.3 to 30

[Hypnotist Collector]

I asked (and posted) about the outcome of the vaccine back in March. I thought the response was clear and kind of delightful: 26.5, a line of disarming the dangerous opponent, and going outside the home to eat in hex 26!

 

[Daeluin]

What a great thread!

21.3 came up when asking about the US Presidential Election, along with line 6.

21's lower trigram Thunder with the 3rd line moving, gives us Li / Flame / Fire. Here people want to deal with COVID very quickly, and hence we have had this Thunder-like rush to develop vaccines; however this rush is a bit unbalanced, perhaps being too quick - and perhaps influenced by 21's upper nuclear trigram, Water and it's associated fear and emotions.

Just like the election, where we had thunder like jumps to conclusions about the results and much action invested in projecting a winner that the results did not support.

Here it is the same. By the third line of thunder we really want to be acting on something, even though we still haven't really found the clarity we need to really comprehend what is going on.

There is "no blame" because of the strong proclivity to act, however there is also indication that we aren't getting to the heart of the matter.

In this third place, though one is advancing, one has not yet attained the real. It seems to be right, but isn't; if one acts in error, it will surely bring on trouble, like biting into dried meat and coming upon poison. (Cleary / Taoist I Ching)

The vaccines we have available largely use novel technology that is not fully understood yet.

For example, antibodies made by the mRNA vaccine do not commonly reach nasal mucuses and so one may harbor an infection there even though it may not get one sick. Meanwhile there is a experimental vaccine candidate rMeV-PreS based on the measles vaccine that produces antibodies in the nasal passages just fine.

There are also questions of mutations and boosters that will be needed every year and so on, so I don't think the vaccine situation as it currently stands is a definitive answer to the solution, but, much like line 3 indicates, it is our initial burst into action before we have a full understanding of our situation.

As for what poison we might find, having bitten into this meat, it remains to be determined. It might simply be that it isn't as effective as we thought at stopping the pandemic, or it might be found that there are some side effects that we hadn't known about, or who knows. It doesn't necessitate that the outcome is bad, it just indicates that largely this is a rush job and may not be the panacea people are pretending it is.

 

[Gulpygoo]

Interesting!
I asked this a couple of months ago
"are the covid vaccines a good thing?"

I also got Hex21 but with moving lines

4 Biting into dried, bony meat, gains a metal arrow.
Constancy in hardship bears fruit – good fortune.'and

6 Shouldering a cangue so your ears disappear – pitfall.

Leading to Hex24 Returning.

Any thoughts?

Personally, I don't so much interpret readings as just read the text and in due course a picture of the situation just seems to present itself.......or not.
If the picture doesn't arise I just drop it or maybe return to it in the future.
In this case a clear picture didn't arise.....

 

[Yasmin]

Maybe this is not giving the querent an answer, but asking to clarify the question?

Hex 21: I usually read 21 as discernment, the need to clarify, get to the truth, the bottom of a situation. In that context, I would imagine the conversation with Yi going something like this:

querent: « what do you think of Covid vaccines? »
Yi : « which vaccine are you asking about? For whom, yourself or someone else? What age? Any allergies? And what aspect - safety? Efficacy? Short term? Long term? Etc... »

Line 3: my personal interpretation would be to read it as the very definition of a vaccine: a minute amount of « poison », which can cause some discomfort, but is not an error.

and 30 is to me again about clarity.

 

[BaronAsh]

Maybe "superficial" isn't the right word. Maybe "general" is more accurate as in "when you ask a broad question you get a more general answer." So how about 21.3 tells us that "In general, the Covid vaccine is a poison with minimal side effects and it's not a mistake to get it."? Anyway, I'm feeling more in agreement with your interpretation but what do you say to Hilary's comment that 21.3 means something doesn't have the effect you want and that there are better ways to get the desired results? Or is the vaccine an exception to this because while the vaccine is indeed a poison, in this case a poison is a good thing?
Is there someway 30 can be seen as meaning good health? It's made of the two fire trigrams, increased fire, life? Or "burns up the infection"? I like your idea that "care of the cattle" could indicate a return to work but I think that's a stretch. Maybe we are the cattle and the vaccine leads to Herd immunity...

I find the question ('what does the Yi think...') a little strange, but in terms of your point about various perspectives given so many are involved - both vaccines, nations and individuals etc. - what came to me in response is that rather than providing a single 'objective' Truth which might be obfuscated by the bias of any given interlocutor, rather the Yi provides a lens through which each of us can view the issue and our own journey in relation to it, plus providing some sort of guidance, or wisdom, in that context. So each person viewing the question through the lens of 21,3 > 30 can come up with very different impressions which for each person may provide insight and guidance.

As to bias, there often seems to be the inference that bias is bad so we should strive to rid ourselves of it. Perhaps that is a good thing, but also without taking a stand one way or another it is hard to make any decisions, to plot a course. Here again the Yi can provide a lens through which we can examine that stance - or 'bias' - including the conclusions or expections involved. For example, if you believe that these mRNA shots are not vaccines in the officially defined sense and so it is risky to be providing them to billions so quickly before extensive trials (which happens to be my personal bias), the Yi's 21,3>30 may provide some insights; that said, if you believe that they are a gift to society at large and everyone should be taking them as soon as possible including children etc. then you may be provided with some no less valuable, albeit quite different, insights.

I personally have found most of the commentaries about 30 hard to understand. My first thought is that double Fire (like double anything) is sort of potent, but I don't get that from the commentaries. Trigram-wise it seems to have to do with heart and clear insight within, with some sort of protection-principle and social interdependency without. The insight/heart/inner part was unbalanced in the first throw in the third line, which has to do with society generally in the Man (versus Earth or Heaven) zone, where the key fourth line - that which needs to be bitten through - is also found. The 'pandemic' and 'vaccines' have been agents of great shock and change on all sorts of levels, but perhaps principally societal and governmental (Man); perhaps what is needed is more warmth and clarity of Fire to process and provide salve for the turbulence of the initial lower Thunder. That turbulence is experienced on the inner level - each of us - so the clarity has to be experienced on that level too. I read this as a warning not to put too much faith in the authorities necessarily, especially the fourth line administrative level types, aka 'experts.' We have to handle the challenges of the actual as well as the over-hyped illness, as well as the unprecedented levels - at least during peacetime - of severe economic and political damage.

So my takeaway from this reading is that what has to be cut through in the fourth line has to do with the general populace finding a way on the personal level of handling the lower/inner trigram's shocks, which include needles being stuck into a body to rescripting genetic instructions for spike protein generation which for some people can be dangerous - as dangerous as covid itself which also provokes spike protein generation - and what is needed is further clarity, warmth, heart, interconnection, insight. If the haste and fear and toxicity can be dealt with in this way, then that will provide the sort of Cutting Through that will lead to an overall healthier herd.

As to 30, maybe in this context it is hinting at 'as above so below.' We the people need to find ways to deal with this on our own level with clarity and warmth, but also the professional classes handling so much of this - government, media, medical experts etc. - also need similar clarity of warmth so that they provide proper protection. It's time for less shock and awe and more heart and kindness, basically. Then the toxicity of the whole thing, outer and inner, can be dealt with, so that things will end up alright, though personally I suspect a LOTR ending: goodness will win in the end, but not without great cost. I fear that western civilisation has essentially fallen these past few years, and perhaps it is beyond repair. All the more reason for clarity and warmth both above and below.

Afterthought on toxicity: generally we have had to deal with the virus itself, then the extreme reactions to it, also the illnesses and deaths, then the extraordinary socio-political repercussions, still ongoing, and now the issues around the 'vaccines' themselves with many arguments ongoing about whether to force them, or to issue 'passports' to control traffic into and out of various institutions, buildings, services (like transport) and so forth. All of this is confused, confusing, stressful and thus toxic. All of this needs to be taken care of somehow so that some sort of warmth and clarity can shine through in contrast to the current shock and awe.

But again, my main initial point was that the Yi, rather than providing objective truth from on high, provides a lens for each of us to examine our own relationship and process to various inner and outer aspects of the issue which is the subject of enquiry, in this case the covid 'vaccines.'

 

[dfreed]

As for what poison ... having bitten into this meat, it remains to be determined. It might simply be that it isn't as effective as we thought at stopping the pandemic, or ... there are some side effects that we hadn't known about .... It doesn't necessitate that the outcome is bad, it just indicates ... a rush job and may not be the panacea people are pretending it is.

I do not disagree with anything here, except when you say, it '... may not be the panacea people are pretending it is.'

I don't know of anyone who is 'pretending'; in fact, many people - including those in the scientific and medical communities - are concerned and are watching to see what happens. To say that it's a 'panacea' implies that we all think - or are 'pretending' - that this is a done deal. I think it does provide immunity, and it does help us achieve 'herd immunity' but that doesn't necessarily mean I think it is the end-all, be-all cure.

But perhaps to prove or confirm any of this, we'll need to revisit this reading and this question again in 6 months, or a year, or 3 years .... But then again, look at where that's gotten us with our election - the issue has been decided dozens of times both in the courts and with the recounts (and recounts of recounts), but still, a make-believe, fairy tale character named 'Q' doesn't believe the results.

Best, D.