"what is the reason my stomach is like this?" and Yi's answer, 30.4.5.6 to 63.

[Melissa_here]

Hello All.

I have had IBS symptoms for 20+ years. I am at my wits end on what to do, as it is now affecting a new job I have.

I asked the iching "what is the reason my stomach is like this?"

Because I wonder if its anxiety, functional, bad karma... ect ect.

and Yi's answer, 30.4.5.6 to 63.

I am hoping this means it will end soon.

Any guidance help or advice much appreciated!

Ohh... and I also asked... "what is the solution" I got 1.1.4.5.6 to 46

Line 1
'Dragon underwater – don't act.'

anxiety maybe?

Line 4
'Someone dancing in the abyss.
No mistake.'

it has taken me to depths of isolation, but it is not a mistake because i am learning about myself ?

Line 5
'Dragon flying in heaven.
Fruitful to see great people.'

Need to speak to professionals. This week I am seeing a TCM practitioner, my nutritionist and also a dentits to get mercury fillings removed.

Line 6
'Overweening dragon has regrets.'

I am not sure what this could mean!!!!


ps: how cool is the forum now!

 

[Melissa_here]

I also asked this!!!

Is my gut issues food related??" and Yi's answer, 21.

Biting through.

I’m going to say YES.

Any other insight would be so valuable

 

[Trojina]

Weird I answered this days ago

 

[Trojina]

No it was a different thread same questions.

 

[Liselle]

'Biting through, creating success.
Fruitful to use legal proceedings.' (Hilary's translation)

Reading this as an answer, maybe yes, Yi's confirming that you've "bitten through"? It's food-related, you're on the right track.

Or maybe Yi's answering by making suggestions. Maybe it's giving you a picture of the *kind* of food that's causing the problem. Any chance you eat too much fiber, for instance? (Fibrous things are difficult to gnaw through.) Is there any such thing as not too much fiber for most people, but too much for you? Do some people have unusual trouble? I don't know.

Another thought - maybe Yi's suggesting the next step? Okay, it's food-related, now how can you gnaw through and narrow it down? Some sort of elimination process, like people do with allergies? I don't know anything about that, though.

 

[Liselle]

Oh, I do know you had other readings. I don't have ideas about those, though. Which might mean I'm off on the wrong track altogether about this one - plucking one reading out of the middle or end of a series can cause problems sometimes. Hard to tell.

 

[Freedda]

Melissa, you asked 'what is the reason my stomach is like this?' and Yi's answer is 30.4.5.6 to 63.

There are people whom are well-versed in using the Yi in diagnosing illness and heath issues. I am not one of them, and would generally suggest that you rely on your doctor for medical advice. But reading a bit about IBS, it seems that the reasons for this condition are only being guessed at - but not entirely known - and most of the advice is about dealing with the symptoms, so ....

I'll explore some here, but please know I am not giving medical advice, and to take this with a huge boulder of salt. But if any of it rings true ...

The Oracle text for 30 says to 'attend to the cow'. People have been living with and depending on cattle for almost 10,000 years, and so what this brings to mind is advice that you should attend to what nurtures, supports and feeds you. It is not to seek great or foreign beasts but those that are already within our own domains. Perhaps to look closer to home, or within oneself?

Line 30.4 tells me that you should beware of quick 'flash-in-the-pan' cures or fixes (which our media and our culture seem to be filled with) - the solution here might not be found in simply taking a pill, or to simply do this or do that.

Line 30.5 is about 'gushing tears' and grief and lament, so perhaps your condition is tied to some unresolved grief or deep sadness, which you might explore and embrace - to 'bring it into the light.' Also, the Wings commentary talks about 'a departure from the sovereign and patriarch' so could this be about old family issues? Or perhas that you should seek something other than a 'traditional' cure?

Line 30.6 seem to go along with 30.5 - perhaps to not look at one's grief or sadness (or oneself?) as the 'enemy'.

With 30 you have the two 3-line trigrams repeated, so you have Li above Li, or the 'The light appears twice'; Li being associated with light, fire, clarity ...

The lower trigram Li might simply reflect your desire to have clarity about your situation.

But the upper trigram has three moving lines (4, 5, 6) which some would say is showing us that they are 'lit up,' that they are out off balance and in need of attention. So perhaps something - an emotion or memory (and think 30.5-30.6) is too hot, too burning, but at the same time it remains unseen by you (so you only know the symptoms).

The upper part of 63 is the trigram for the Abyss or Water. It might be suggesting that you need to go deep (or deeper within), to confront a fear that right now is hidden. It could also mean that in doing so you are creating choices for how you can respond (besides just the symptoms of IBS).

For 63, there are all sorts of takes on this, as it seems to indicate that you've already finished, crossed the river, the deal is done ... which could mean, look you've already found the cure (and just like Dorothy and her desire to go home) and just haven't realized it, or more direly that your search is already done - and you still haven't found the answer!

But for me 63 is about process, and a first step to seeking a cure or to walk a certain path is to be resolved in doing so. It may sound all too obvious, but to be 'resolved and settled' about the path you want to take is perhaps the hardest part of the journey. Do we 'say' we want to ... or do we actually want to ... ?

Sorry if I've rambled a bit too much. And any feedback - good or bad - is most welcome.

Best, D.

 

[Trojina]

It's the same topic as here https://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/fri...r-and-yis-answer-41-2-3-4-to-30-urgent.28214/

 

[Melissa_here]

Melissa, you asked 'what is the reason my stomach is like this?' and Yi's answer is 30.4.5.6 to 63.

There are people whom are well-versed in using the Yi in diagnosing illness and heath issues. I am not one of them, and would generally suggest that you rely on your doctor for medical advice. But reading a bit about IBS, it seems that the reasons for this condition are only being guessed at - but not entirely known - and most of the advice is about dealing with the symptoms, so ....

I'll explore some here, but please know I am not giving medical advice, and to take this with a huge boulder of salt. But if any of it rings true ...

The Oracle text for 30 says to 'attend to the cow'. People have been living with and depending on cattle for almost 10,000 years, and so what this brings to mind is advice that you should attend to what nurtures, supports and feeds you. It is not to seek great or foreign beasts but those that are already within our own domains. Perhaps to look closer to home, or within oneself?

Line 30.4 tells me that you should beware of quick 'flash-in-the-pan' cures or fixes (which our media and our culture seem to be filled with) - the solution here might not be found in simply taking a pill, or to simply do this or do that.

Line 30.5 is about 'gushing tears' and grief and lament, so perhaps your condition is tied to some unresolved grief or deep sadness, which you might explore and embrace - to 'bring it into the light.' Also, the Wings commentary talks about 'a departure from the sovereign and patriarch' so could this be about old family issues? Or perhas that you should seek something other than a 'traditional' cure?

Line 30.6 seem to go along with 30.5 - perhaps to not look at one's grief or sadness (or oneself?) as the 'enemy'.

With 30 you have the two 3-line trigrams repeated, so you have Li above Li, or the 'The light appears twice'; Li being associated with light, fire, clarity ...

The lower trigram Li might simply reflect your desire to have clarity about your situation.

But the upper trigram has three moving lines (4, 5, 6) which some would say is showing us that they are 'lit up,' that they are out off balance and in need of attention. So perhaps something - an emotion or memory (and think 30.5-30.6) is too hot, too burning, but at the same time it remains unseen by you (so you only know the symptoms).

The upper part of 63 is the trigram for the Abyss or Water. It might be suggesting that you need to go deep (or deeper within), to confront a fear that right now is hidden. It could also mean that in doing so you are creating choices for how you can respond (besides just the symptoms of IBS).

For 63, there are all sorts of takes on this, as it seems to indicate that you've already finished, crossed the river, the deal is done ... which could mean, look you've already found the cure (and just like Dorothy and her desire to go home) and just haven't realized it, or more direly that your search is already done - and you still haven't found the answer!

But for me 63 is about process, and a first step to seeking a cure or to walk a certain path is to be resolved in doing so. It may sound all too obvious, but to be 'resolved and settled' about the path you want to take is perhaps the hardest part of the journey. Do we 'say' we want to ... or do we actually want to ... ?

Sorry if I've rambled a bit too much. And any feedback - good or bad - is most welcome.

Best, D.

Oh my gosh. This was like it was taken from my own understanding.

I have experienced a lot of trauma and pain from my childhood, and even adulthood. This comes with having two parents that are addicts. I love them both dearly and they have both changed in a lot of ways but they caused deep wounds of abandonment and even as I am typing, wounds to how I see myself in the world - linked to my self esteem.

This new job is quite intimidating and I think what is happening is that I a dysfunctional belief that I shouldnt be there , im not good enough ect and as a result start with cyclic thinking about my gut and then it literally turns this thought into a symptom. I get this in relationships also.

I loved your comment about attending to what 'nurtures, supports and feeds you' ... for me this is more than food (I can eat an organic wholefoods diet and still get symptoms - and take out dairy and gluten - and still get symptoms - I do think that maybe its a particular kind of vegetable or something - or not?) but also what nourishes me is my spiritual practise which I have been ignoring - yoga, chanting, sun gazing and meditation.

I will return back to this, and I think its where 63 comes back into it - I know the solution. I have found it. I just need to apply it, and this horror will end.

Your insight here: "a departure from the sovereign and patriarch" - is something for me to meditate on. It could mean family issues. My parents never really worked, or did only part time so my path is very different to them. I do wonder sometimes if I am too attached to not wanting to elevate beyond where they are in life, if there is an unconscious belief that I must stay in poverty to have a connection to them.

For the sake of affirming it to the universe, I will say this: I do not believe this to be true.

Anyway, thank you for your incredible interpretation. I hope one day I am not just trying to understand my own readings, but are able to help others like you have helped me.

 

[Freedda]

Thanks Melissa, and good to know what I said was of some use to you. Just an FYI if you return to use this forum more, you don't have to necessarily use the entire post when you quote me or someone else - you can edit it if you like. But no big deal, just a suggestion for the future. Best, D.

 

[Melissa_here]

Just wanted to say... everything in this thread was absolutely correct - I ended up on journey of healing my self-esteem - and as a result am completely free from these issues now. Just took a very long time. What a gift the iching is!