When does Yi stop speaking to you? 5: 6 <> 9

[my_key]

Hi All
I started a post HERE hoping for some input from others in and around this question.

I have had some weird and wonderful replies from Yi over the years and have on occasions been astonished and at times shocked by the way answers, insights delivered piece by piece or synchronistic confirmations have been presented for my inspection. e.g. Shortly after receiving 7.3, I am driving along the motorway, when a hearse zooms past me at a rate of knots. I briefly catch a glimpse of the glass windowed rear of the car, in time to notice that there is no coffin (and I assume no corpse had been propped up in the seat next to the driver).

This and other similar events have brought me to wondering about the imagery in the response and whether it remains firm and fixed. If it isn't fixed and is free to morph, then how long does the transitioning stay with and when doe the echoes of a single reading actually stop. A complex conundrum, which I think the synchronicities demonstrated, in the contributions to the original thread in Imagery goes a long way to providing insight. the thread of Imagery appears quite stretchy.

I have therefore asked Yi, as who better know's the techniques it employs and for how long it employs them -

Question: When does Yi stop speaking to you? (you meaning anyone or everyone)
Answer: 5: 6 <> 9

'Needing' through ' Little Accumulation'

This immediately spoke to me as saying 'Yi keeps speaking to you little by little until your needs behind asking the question have been met'.

I'm interested, based on your own experiences with Yi, to hear how you would interpret this response, particularly the nuances offered by line 6 or different hexagram names.

Many Thanks

 

[rosada]

My experience has been that 5.6 is one of the most amazing-guaranteed-to-manifest lines in the whole I Ching. Whenever I’ve gotten it uninvited, unexpected guests actually do show up! So I would interpret it in this instance as meaning something very similar to yours. Something to the effect that you Wait and ultimately, unexpectedly, the situation changes to exactly what the I Ching said it would be. And meanwhile 9 - just keep on doing you and also it might be good to dress nice…

 

[rosada]

btw, I’ve experienced 5.6 to represent news of someone’s unexpected passing. Like Death showing up on your doorstep uninvited. Also the old adage “Death comes in threes” fits with there being not just one but three uninvited guests. Changing to 9 could represent the sense of then the noble one has to carry on alone.

 

[my_key]

My experience has been that 5.6 is one of the most amazing-guaranteed-to-manifest lines in the whole I Ching. Whenever I’ve gotten it uninvited, unexpected guests actually do show up! So I would interpret it in this instance as meaning something very similar to yours. Something to the effect that you Wait and ultimately, unexpectedly, the situation changes to exactly what the I Ching said it would be. And meanwhile 9 - just keep on doing you and also it might be good to dress nice…

Hi rosada

It's always important to dress nice!
I've not really had that image so much. For me, in 5.6 the focus is on the unexpectedness of the 'process' rather than the outcome. My idea of this line settles more on the unexpectedness of what arrives while I am waiting. Normally I have a "What the hell is going on here?" period either before or as the guests arrive. Wilhelm describes the guests as 'shadowy', and it is, perhaps, in this context that the line could be viewed: one of shadowiness (or 3) that needs to be tamed first before the waiting period ends and the nourishment from above can come into effect,

The change, I've not always experienced as being positive in the short term. However in the longer term, ultimately, the silver lining of the cloud often shines in unexpected ways. Maybe it is only here where the silver lining is fully unfolded that Yi stops speaking to you in response to your original question.

 

[rosada]

Going back looking at hexagram 4 and the Yi saying “Stop asking me questions! I’ve already told you the answer: Perseverance furthers!” So 5. Waiting is us persevering by waiting for understanding to dawn? And 5.6 is the understanding finally kicking in? So 5.6 means the Yi’s answer is valid until you understand it - so don’t ask more questions until you understand the hexagram you got for your first one. Sort of what you were saying I think my_key.

Thoughts about 5 which may not have anything to do with the original question…
Noting how line 5.4 is the galloping horses, did we escape? Is that why the celebration at line 5? But then who are those uninvited guests at line 6? Could they be the horseman we thought we had avoided but - uh oh - now they’ve found us? Is that why Wilhelm says “honor them” and not “welcome them’? Like honor them, treat them with respect as you might a policeman or dangerous soldiers coming to your door? No wonder the next hexagram warns of 6. Conflict!

 

[my_key]

Hi rosada

Going back looking at hexagram 4 and the Yi saying “Stop asking me questions! I’ve already told you the answer: Perseverance furthers!” So 5. Waiting is us persevering by waiting for understanding to dawn? And 5.6 is the understanding finally kicking in? So 5.6 means the Yi’s answer is valid until you understand it - so don’t ask more questions until you understand the hexagram you got for your first one. Sort of what you were saying I think my_key.

There is certainly a purpose to the waiting process outlined in 5, that's for sure. It's not about sitting around twiddling your thumbs aimlessly. By the time 5.6 is reached, this being the line for mental process and revealed wisdom, the 3 guests by hook or by crook will have shown you what it was you were missing. The new understanding of your originally unmet needs has been reached. So yes, I believe that we are singing from the same hymn sheet.

Thoughts about 5 which may not have anything to do with the original question…
Noting how line 5.4 is the galloping horses, did we escape? Is that why the celebration at line 5? But then who are those uninvited guests at line 6? Could they be the horseman we thought we had avoided but - uh oh - now they’ve found us? Is that why Wilhelm says “honor them” and not “welcome them’? Like honor them, treat them with respect as you might a policeman or dangerous soldiers coming to your door? No wonder the next hexagram warns of 6. Conflict!

Not just 5.4 alone, but perhaps with 5.3 providing first the new muddy restrictions and then the escape from the dangers of these restrictions. 5.4 could be where we first see the light of day,

Yes what comes to to us may be a harsh measure of tough love,hence enduring and persevering is the order of the day. Also why Wilhelm is specific in saying to honour, rather than to welcome. Here at 5.6 we fall into the pit that has been crafted by our 3 guests. As Wilhelm notes " The waiting is over; the danger can no longer be averted. One falls into the pit and must yield to the inevitable.".

6 is the stage where, according to Wilhelm, 'in all his transactions the superior man carefully considers the beginning.'
We've just been given a new bike to ride. If we try to ride it with the stabilisers off then we are, sure as eggs are eggs, in for a rocky ride.

Luckily, 5.6 knows a short cut to 9, by passing 6. Here in 9 we have to be thankful for small mercies; not get ahead of ourself and take one step at a time. In this way we know when enough progress is enough and when to call a halt on matters when necessary. Perhaps, not all 3 guests were left struggling to climb out of the pit. Taking the stabilisers off the bike may well be a step too far here,

 

[my_key]

A further thought.....

The Shadow site of 5 is Hexagram 60 'Articulating the Crossing' (Karcher) and 'Restricting' (Huang)

60 represents the negative screen that is blocking the transformative energy in the situation. The thing that is blocking a swift and expedient communication with Yi.

This adds, when looking from the shadow perspective, that any insights only become clear when the time is right for them to be clear. Until the time is right they remain blocked. The numbers and measures, the images, the new codes and rules to live by all need to to align before it is possible to articulate the crossing into a new state of awareness. Then Yi knows the job is done and stops speaking to you on the subject of your question.

Another way of looking at this situation is through the lens of the Ideal hexagram which represents the most effective way to think about this entire situation, the ideal way to visualize it and act on it.

The Ideal of 5 is 15 'Authenticity'.

So the best picture to draw in order to most effectively see the process associated with you asking a question of Yi is that Yi in the way he answers has to allow for a decreasing of what is excessive and an increasing of what is scarce. He works in mysterious ways to weigh everything as it is and then brings them to a new state of balance. (15 - image)

As it says in the judgement of 15 the road to Authenticity, paved by Yi is prosperous and smooth and when the position of 'superior person' has been attained then the process of Yi speaking to you reaches a natural end. When you get the message and start to think, feel and act in wiser ways then Yi knows the message has been received and stops.

 

[marybluesky]

5.6>9

When you need to gently tame your curiosity until an unexpected answer shows up in real life.

P.S: this line isn't likely to indicate an interesting event in my eyes. Rather one of those disappointing reality checks.

 

[my_key]

Hi Mary
Thanks. Unexpected answers are invariably the carry the greatest weight.

5.6, I think, does carry a responsibility for remaining present and mindful. While, from your perspective, the line doesn't indicate 'interesting events' there is, perhaps, a call for us to make the most, or get the most, we can from them.

'Disappointing reality checks' have, for me, been some of my greatest teachers. Yi, it seems, cares not one jot how the message gets through. He keeps sounding those trumpets while walking around the Walls of Jericho, until the walls have most definitely been breached.

 

[my_key]

For those interested, 2 interpretations using Wilhelm and Bradford Hatcher texts have been created by AI (GPT4) in this thread in Exploring Divination HERE (post #61)

These are both worth reading. There are also a couple of powerful images of the reading that have been created by the AI for those that like a visual prompt.
Great thanks are extended to @remod for running these and posting in the thread.