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Trojina

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Apart from the piece you have in quotation marks are you also quoting elsewhere ? I can't tell but it doesn't sound like you.

Eldest Daughter, Lake, flows joyously downwards towards Eldest Son, Mountain, who flows calmly and firmly upwards.

How can a mountain flow 'calmly and firmly upwards' ? Mountains don't flow they are still.
 

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That fits very elegantly with the Sequence of Hexagrams, too - how the book is divided into two Canons, and the Lower Canon begins with 31, corresponding to 1 in the Upper Canon.
 

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Here, it feels as if the two trigrams represent the culmination of progression from their respective sibling and parent trigrams ~ from their young beginnings through their gradual maturation towards wisdom.

I don't understand that, what do you mean ? I don't see anything about 'gradual maturation towards wisdom' by the trigrams here.
 
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I don't understand that, what do you mean ? I don't see anything about 'gradual maturation towards wisdom' by the trigrams here.
I was looking at it from the perspective of imagining the two trigrams as having been through the stages of youngest and middle sons and daughters.

But, that's a pretty shaky take. I decided to try running with it, anyways. -.-
 

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Apart from the piece you have in quotation marks are you also quoting elsewhere ?
No, those are just my own whirling thoughts jumping from one meandering to the next.

I can't tell but it doesn't sound like you.
Well... usually, my thoughts aren't so clear, but occasionally, I have moments like this. They're rare enough, though...

How can a mountain flow 'calmly and firmly upwards' ? Mountains don't flow they are still.
I'd actually thought about that when reading it over, but didn't bother to change it... dunno whether to or not.
 

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No, if you are exploring your thought processes with the reading I see no reason to change what you have written. I don't have to agree with it but that's okay


Even the nuclear Hexagram, 44, Coupling, merely adds to this powerful image ~ while in 44, the woman is too powerful to be taken, here, the woman, still powerful, albeit tempered and wise, finds her place in joyous, peaceful compromise.


I feel you imposed your own ideology/values here in a way that I can't see the reasons for. The woman in 44 doesn't become the woman in 31, if anything it would be the other way around sequence wise. The way you express it, this awful 'compromise' of the 44 woman is not something I'd go along with. Not that we can make hexagram literally about women but I dislike this whole idea of the woman in 44 getting watered down into how you describe here into some kind of dish rag. You can't take the metaphor of the woman in 44 and then say 'ah now she's a nice little compromised wifey in 31'. Well you can say it but I don't think you're right. You're implying that somehow the woman in 44 becomes a much better being and that's adding your own values in, making it very literal with no reason for doing so as far as I can see.
 
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The point is this is marriage from the male POV in 31, he is advised to make room for the wife, that's the counsel of the hexagram. The woman's view of marriage is 54. 31 really is not to do with a woman who cannot be taken morphing into a a compromised woman.
 

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I feel you imposed your own ideology/values here in a way that I can't see the reasons for. The woman in 44 doesn't become the woman in 31, if anything it would be the other way around sequence wise. The way you express it, this awful 'compromise' of the 44 woman is not something I'd go along with. Not that we can make hexagram literally about women but I dislike this whole idea of the woman in 44 getting watered down into how you describe here into some kind of dish rag. You can't take the metaphor of the woman in 44 and then say 'ah now she's a nice little compromised wifey in 31'. Well you can say it but I don't think you're right. You're implying that somehow the woman in 44 becomes a much better being and that's adding your own values in, making it very literal with no reason for doing so as far as I can see.
Compromise does not "to weaken" here, but to come halfway, as it were. To find a balancing point of harmony.

I feel that you've so completely misunderstood the context of my post. And I feel that perhaps you've imposed your own values onto my post ~ that "compromise" is a bad thing. I really shouldn't have to step on eggshells just because someone might get offended at the use of "compromise".

Perhaps I shall have to try and use clearer wording next-time, then...

For context, my comment about 44 was based on the commentary in the Hexagram 31 Wikiwings post. Could have been clearer about that, sorry. I guess I forgot to add it in, for whatever reason. :|

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Hexagram 44, Coupling. Allowing in the influence is risky. 31 has a woman who can be taken, 44 has one who can't. It could be a difference of degree in female/sexual power. There's the power you use to integrate and create relationships, and the power that can take society apart again, undermine the whole structure. It makes and remakes.
 

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I feel that you've so completely misunderstood the context of my post. And I feel that perhaps you've imposed your own values onto my post ~ that "compromise" is a bad thing. I really shouldn't have to step on eggshells just because someone might get offended at the use of "compromise".


Oh I'm not at all offended, just responding with my thoughts to yours but not offended and no offence intended to you either.

No need to add the wiki comment in, you can have that thought without reference to anything else. Don't think I agree with the wiki entry either.
 

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It would seem that I've mixed up my trigrams, somehow...

Mountain is the youngest son, Lake is the youngest daughter. :|
 

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Well, this was a learning experience. It's a start, I suppose. :)
 

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I do think is about emotions and how they put us in motion. The image i have is of a unmovable huge rock reflected on a lake and her ripples make him dance.

for me 31u is when I "stop" the mind /rational and just feel, the visceral thinking, to sense where it leads me, what exists in my guts - pure emotions
This made total sense to me, as today I received 31uc in a reading about a text I wrote on passion and how other people's passions also affect me.
I am also thinking about how, in my reading, the relationship between a mountain and a lake is such an insightful one.
So 31uc feels to me like accepting and understanding the impoprtance and the role of each of these elements together. Imperviousness and liberation. Solidity and elasticity.
And once you really understand and accept those, you see what needs to be done.
But first (hence uc) reaaallly understand and accept them...
 

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