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I concluded that the reading was trying to say two things at once, but I actually don't know if that's even something Yi does. (Which of course is not a matter for this thread either...)
Okay, whew!Oh I think it can say 7 things at once...or more.
I think in the future I'll post readings in threads like this only if I've pretty much worked them out already. You know, once they're actually proper examples . We didn't know in the beginning what this would grow into, but as it turned out it would have been better as a thread in Shared Readings. Then IF it would have turned out to be illuminating of 37uc, it could have been linked here.What I am finding funny is we have several pages now in the 37uc thread about a washing machine or tumble dryer
What I was artlessly trying to get at is that you flat-out said you find lost item readings "completely meaningless," and as far as I can tell you rarely make that sort of blanket statement.
As a house elf Dobby deserves a place in this thread
Well, if Dobby is what you think of, then that is abundantly true.Yi is much too dignified to be Dobby
(Prolonging this argument...) But is Dobby a reasonable comparison? I mean, I know there's a school of thought which says we should never ask Yi about ordinary mundane things. There are also schools of thought which say you should go through an entire ritual with incense and the like when consulting, or that Yi should properly be consulted roughly once every two years. And so forth.
And, I mean, I do ask Yi the big, deep, questions. But I also ask a lot about things like shopping for the now-infamous washing machine (when it cleverly gave me 29uc to indicate Whirlpool).
So where is the line drawn? That is largely where I got the "arbitrary and capricious" thing from. Yi will helpfully answer this question, about shopping, but not that question, about misplaced keys? I've gone on about this before, but how can we ever trust it in that case?
.Hilary does not remind us to go and read commentaries. She suggests looking at the text, the translation of Yi, but not commentaries. I can honestly say I have never heard Hilary tell anyone to go and read a commentary
For myself I'd say I intuit, I feel, when an answer has not quite answered the question I put, or when my question has been evaded somewhat. Intuiting this cannot be learned by any book of rules, it develops in each person naturally.
One last thing...thank you for saying this. When I asked how we could trust the I Ching, if it arbitrarily (my word) decides to answer certain questions but not others, what is closer to what I meant is does it play fair? I am much less worried about Yi not quite answering the question I put to it, if there's a fair chance that I'll know that's what it's doing. You're saying yes, you have developed an intuition about it. And I do know what you mean.
I am much less worried about Yi not quite answering the question I put to it, if there's a fair chance that I'll know that's what it's doing. You're saying yes, you have developed an intuition about it. And I do know what you mean
Occasionally it can be read clearly like a road map...other times it's more like straining to hear fragments of music on the wind, waiting for them to blow into your ears and mind.
It used to be that the stove was considered the heart of the home. I wonder if now that man has pretty much tamed fire if now water is to become the universal symbol for the shared resource the human Family now holds in common?
Question: Where are my car keys and envelope?
Outcome: Keys and envelope had fallen inside my washing machine.
Could someone please explain that to me?
You say you have no recollection of putting the keys on the washer. I wonder if that is significant. Perhaps the I Ching could not give you The Well or some other hexagram having to do with water because that image would not mirror anything in you. Perhaps because there was nothing in you that knew where the keys were the only help the I Ching could give was to tell you to retrace your steps.
In hindsight I see 37uc as the perfect answer for Lisa's keys. It's a kind of holistic answer. I am not explaining what I mean by holistic....it just is an holistic answer. Keys and Home are one if you think of it. A new neighbour moved in next door to me yesterday and told me at first he could not get in , he had the wrong keys. From his POV before that first step through the door those keys symbolised his whole house. When I go out I carry my house keys next to my body. I'm a Cancerian, a crab, I need to carry my house/covering with me, to me these are symbolised by keys to the house.
Keys = Home
This is a good point. Some survey showed the British hardly eat anything at home that they cook from scratch. Despite liking cooking shows on TV they don't cook ! So what do they still do that is utterly central to domestic life in a home....wash their clothes ! Also washers do run on fire, electricity.
Now to see if this theory holds water ( no pun intended) we need to find out how often Lisa cooks at home ?
Yes, they were inside the washer (the washer, not the dryer, despite the trigrams being very dryer-y). They had to have fallen in - my best guess is that the keys, on top of the envelope, on the edge of the open washing machine, was all just slightly unstable, and at a certain point in time they tipped over the edge.Also I thought Lisa found her keys in the washer/dryer not on it. How on earth they got in it is a mystery !
I can suggest possibilities. 1. There is a resemblance between a washing machine and a mailbox, so your unconscious mind led you to put those items in the mailbox similitude, thereby completing your delayed task (the Zeigarnik effect).
This isn't factually what happened. The keys and envelope were in the washer by themselves. (But it is the kind of thing I could easily see myself doing. Not completely off-base there, not at all .)2. You had picked up something that needed to be washed -- maybe a towel or cloth in the kitchen -- and in putting it in the washing machine released keys and envelope also.
Yes, they were inside the washer (the washer, not the dryer, despite the trigrams being very dryer-y). They had to have fallen in - my best guess is that the keys, on top of the envelope, on the edge of the open washing machine, was all just slightly unstable, and at a certain point in time they tipped over the edge.
< googles Zeigarnik effect >
...the Zeigarik effect, a compulsion to complete incomplete tasks. Memory is only part of it. When you put the envelope into the washing machine, you symbolically completed your task, I speculate. The incomplete task that now calls me is to push-plow a section of my garden.
I'm trying to remember how I felt about the envelope, separate from the keys.
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