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...
He breaks his wheels.
He gets his tail wet in the water.
No blame.

... pressing forward at the beginning is not good; it overshoots the mark and leads with certainty to loss and collapse. Therefore a man of strong character does not allow himself ... He may indeed not remain altogether untouched by the disastrous consequences of the general pressure, ... at the last minute gets its tail wet...

Chinese text (W/B uppercase):
  • yi4: to pull / drag / trail (skirts) on the ground / trace / [HE] BREAKS (1)
  • qi2: his / her / its / theirs / that / HIS
  • lun2: wheel / cycle (like of birth - death) / by turns / WHEELS (2)
  • ru2: to wet / to moisten / [HE] GETS WET [IN THE WATER]
  • qi2: his / her / its / theirs / that / HIS
  • wei3: tail / bottom / TAIL

I wonder why...
... the character yi, that depicts TWO HANDS DRAGGING A PLOW, was translated as BREAK. Maybe the idea was that the man (HE) was pressing forward heavily.
... and why after saying «he gets wet», was added «in the water», maybe for excluding the idea of another liquid?

Using a plow, while the ox drags the man pushes, makes a trench in the earth for scattering seed. A well know symbol of to f_ck, the same as «wetting» or «getting wet».

Maybe instead of an admonition it was an exhortation, even a de-sexualized one:

Move your wheels, wet that bottom. Say, put yourself in action and pay the costs.

Yours,

Charly
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(1) yi4: also could mean «dragging, slow moving» (Schuessler)
(2) lun2 also means «by turns», one after another
...輪姦 to rape by turns.
Lyn Yutang
(3) in my country to wet the bottom means TO STRIVE, to make the necessary.
 

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Line 1: Dragging back the wheel, (and) wetting the tail; no calamity (or fault).
Dragging back the wheel (of a cart) signifies to stop it moving forth.
The fox usually lifts its tail while it is wading across a stream. Wetting the tail (of the fox) signifies the water of the river reaches its tail; the next will be its head if it continues to move forth.

After having successfully crossed the great rivers in the precedent hexagrams, the cart and the fox arrive at the bank (position 1) of another river. The river is so wide, i.e. from position 2 to position 6 (covered by the inner bottom trigram Kan and the upper trigram Kan), and so deep because the tail of the fox is wetted even at the river’s bank.

Confucian commentary on the image: Dragging back the wheel signifies no calamity (or fault), i.e. to stop moving forth in order to avoid calamity or fault. The hexagram will become Jian4: difficulty in proceeding (39), i.e. all will be in difficult conditions if the first step is wrong.

Why is it a fox? A little, inexperienced fox restarts to cross the river in Hex 64 (Wei Ji: Having not crossed the river yet) after the water of the river deluges the head (of the fox) of Hex 63.
Does the cart or the fox take the advice of ‘not to be proud of previous success or not to become reckless in the face of peril after a lengthy period of steadiness’? We will see them at position 2 and position 4, respectively.

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the strange world of chance operations in art . . ("it rained!") :)

THE LINES

Nine at the beginning means:
He breaks his wheels.
He gets his tail wet in the water.
No blame.

In times following a great transition, everything is pressing forward, striving in the direction of development and progress. But this pressing forward at the beginning is not good; it overshoots the mark and leads with certainty to loss and collapse. Therefore a man of strong character does not allow himself to be infected by the general intoxication but checks his course in time. He may indeed not remain altogether untouched by the disastrous consequences of the general pressure, but he is hit only from behind like a fox that, having crossed the water, at the last minute gets its tail wet, He will not suffer any real harm, because his behavior has been correct.
-Wilhelm


I know my associations are rather idiosyncratic, but every time I read this line I am reminded of Rauschenberg's Automobile Tire Print:
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the artist:
. . so I poured (the paint) in front (of the car) and told him to drive . . just as straight as he could . . you know, be careful . . keep going, straight . . and John was fascinated by the fact we were doing this and . . he did a good job

here is the clip from 'making sense of modern art'
 

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Hex 63 is about attending to some things and ignoring others...

What does it mean to have 'completed' something in a world of dynamic flux? How is After Completion in any way an example of The Perfect? The notion of finding out there is no Santa Claus, After the completion or destruction of a childhood myth is a better example. The essence of feeling more adult with that realization is that your focus of attention moves on from your own prior belief to some more objective reality.

The only thing negative to the symbolism of After Completion is the situation of a lack of awareness of anything outside your own consideration. The implication throughout the commentary is that the sooner you move on to attending to this wider reality the less you will suffer the consequences of your prior inattention.

Each of the lines speaks of what happens as you wait to attend to the unintended consequences. In line 1 the realization is immediately at hand, the end of the crossing is noticed to be right now and the brakes applied to stop. The crossing is completed with only the fox's tail getting wet for not having noticed sooner and braked earlier and more gently.

By the fourth line a longer time period of inattention and bad reaction is involved. The finest clothes have completed their cycle and become rags, though the commentary mentions maybe there is a problem like a leaky boat where rags are more useful than fine clothes. In any event the inattention has gone on longer, perhaps longer than the 3 years of line 3, certainly than the 7 days of line 2. By line 5 the entire ritual is completed and it is only the response of the Divine that will play out the consequences of the inattention. In the final line even more time is involved, one has fallen drunk into the water and only action by others will save your life.

There is nothing inherently harsh or negative about hex 63. It is a symbolic description of a lack of objective awareness for the hexagram as a whole. The difficulties that will come out of the environment or the Cosmos as a result are totally a matter of how long it takes to realize YOUR mistake and move to correct it. The various moving lines are indications of how long this inattention has already gone on and how much damage has already been done before you have been warned by this oracle.

Of course, saying that in one's own divination this hexagram as an oracle has nothing to do with any lack of attention to things outside yourself is its own personal statement.

Frank
 

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To avoid misunderstanding of my interpretation on the I Ching, I would like to take the opportunity to say the following at this stage:
From the perspective in studying the I Ching, we must understand the essence of the I Ching and each hexagram from a holistic view. I hope I can provide you with some enlightenment when we reach the end of this thread.

Best regards
Tuck :bows:
 

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From the perspective in studying the I Ching, we must understand the essence of the I Ching and each hexagram from a holistic view.

Nice to read that. :bows:
 

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63.1

a) He breaks his wheels.
He gets his tail in the water.
No blame.

b) "He breaks his wheels." According to the meaning, there is no blame in this.

K'an denotes

WHEEL,

FOX,

HINDERING.

The first line is at the rear of the fox, hence the tail.

Because it has a connection with the lowest line of the upper primary trigram, K'an, it gets wet.

Since the lower nuclear trigram is likewise K'an, the symbols of the fox and the wheel occur here at the very beginning.

The possibility of overcoming the danger by
HOLDING BACK FIRMLY
arises from the strong nature of the line.
-Wilhelm
 

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Somewhere around the end of hex 62 we've managed to overshoot the end of the runway and here we are in 63.1 land being advised that yep we've overshot the end of runway. We just about applied the brakes in time and although it didn't stop us going over the edge there's no real damage done. It isn't going to stop us having to pull the plane back onto the runway to take off again though. The effort to rectify the overshoot means we've only got our feet a little bit wet this time. The benefits of the overshoot are not outweighed by the consequences. Two steps forward one step back type of thing - we're still better placed than before we started, and maybe a little bit more worldly wise.

Frank - I really liked your last post, echoes of the long and winding road.

The only thing negative to the symbolism of After Completion is the situation of a lack of awareness of anything outside your own consideration. The implication throughout the commentary is that the sooner you move on to attending to this wider reality the less you will suffer the consequences of your prior inattention.
This reminded me of the consequences of the "prior inattention" of the bumble bee buzzing happily along minding his own buzziness as he flew into the car windscreen...( at line one "the realisation is immediately at hand").............for Mr B the last thing that went through the awareness of his mind was his backside.
Perhaps, an extreme case of moistening the tail:)

Mike
 
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Hi Mike,

Rosada often likes to see reflections of the hexagram under discussion in current events, so if the discussion of hex 62.6 went to excess, ending it and starting hex 63 would be an illustration of hex 63.1.

Not so clear to me that an insect being hit by a car, mistaking the glass for air is on the same order. Hex 63 is about conscious action and problems of being a bit slow to attend to the consequences of your prior actions. The bee getting caught by the speeding car is a very different situation where the bee is the clueless victim of circumstances beyond its control.

There is a clear element of fault or at least personal responsibility for the difficulties you are now experiencing with hex 63 since they objectively follow from inattentive actions upon your part which you are now being obliged to recognize and deal with as soon and as well as you can.

Frank
 

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The bee getting caught by the speeding car is a very different situation where the bee is the clueless victim of circumstances beyond its control.
Hi Frank
This is not so clear for me either but .......
Who said anything about the car speeding or even moving? Indeed was the windscreen even attached to a car???
Have you jumped to an assumption here?
Maybe it was the bee going too fast or maybe the bee was just bee-ing.

MIke
 

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0 Six in the second place means:

The woman loses the curtain of her carriage.
Do not run after it;
On the seventh day you will get it.

When a woman drove out in her carriage, she had a curtain to hide her from the curious. It was regarded as a breach of propriety to drive on if this curtain was lost. Applied to public life, this means that a man who wants to achieve something is not receiving the confidence of the authorities which he needs, so to speak, for his personal protection. Especially in times "after completion" it may happen that those who have come to power grow arrogant and conceited and no longer trouble about fostering new talent.

This as a rule results in office seeking. If a man's superiors withhold their trust from him, he will seek ways and means of getting it and of drawing attention to himself. We are warned against such an unworthy procedure: "Do not seek it." Do not throw yourself away on the world, but wait tranquilly and develop your personal worth by your own efforts. Times change. When the six stages of the hexagram have passed, the new era dawns. That which is man's own cannot be permanently lost. It comes to him of its own accord. He need only be able to wait.
-Wilhelm
 

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Dragging back the wheel (of a cart) at position 1 signifies that it is an external force which intends to stop the cart moving forth, and wetting the tail is just a warning (to the fox). How could people stop acting when they are so faithful and tend to take another challenge? The cart keeps on moving forth and into the river.

Line 2:
The text: A female loses the curtain of her cart; do not to chase it, (as) it will be retrieved in seven days.
Confucian commentary on the image: It will be retrieved in seven days by virtue of the principle of moderation (i.e. 中道 zhong1 dao4).

The cart loses its curtain. Although it can still move forth, it remains still. No need to chase the curtain, as it will return by itself. The cart can move ahead after the curtain is retrieved. One who possesses the principle of moderation will be neither radical nor conservative to maintain what has been achieved and wait for the timing to make a further success. Position 2 is the middle of the bottom trigram, the line of which possesses the principle of moderation.

Not to rashly proceed but maintain current results, to prevent them from disorder and prepare for accomplishing one's goal … all depend on oneself, i.e. one’s own consciousness, self-governing, self encouragement, restraint and adjustment ….

Regards
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63.2
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The woman loses the curtain of her carriage.
Do not run after it;
On the seventh day you will get it.
...
63.2: who did lose what?

The character fu, here translated WOMAN, is composed by at the left and broom at the right. Nobody's sure about the original intended meaning.

Something curious passed wit this character: the modern character has the woman at the left, like the small seal one. But in earlier characters, bronze or bone, the woman was at the right.

Now the upper part of the broom component looks like a hand and the lower the broom, but in earlier characters the upper part was the broom and the lower part the handle.

Some authors think that the conflictive broom was not a broom but a rank emblem, maybe a hair adornment with some special meanings attached.

Among the meanings of 婦 fu there are:
  • woman of high rank, a LADY, with her hair adornment
  • woman with a broom in her role of HOUSEWIFE, housekeeper, almost a SERVANT
  • woman with a magic broom as emblem os secret powers, a WITCH or a HEALER
  • woman with whom men fall in love, that have irresistible appeal, a VAMP. (1)

If we have to trust Wilhelm, this woman was a LADY, because she moves on a carriage with curtains, one of wich was lost. Maybe to lose the back courtain of the carriage is like to say that the lady was fleeing too quickly. (2)

This would exclude the other meanings of fu, say housewife, witch, and vamp. But is not sure that the lost thing was a carriage curtain, some translators, like Wu Jing Nuan, say that was a type of HAIR ADORNMENT.

And this will bring us back to sorcery and love:

Broom: In ancient China the broom came to be identified with insight, wisdom "...and the power to brush away all the dusts of worry and trouble."
"The manifold evil spirits are supposed to be afraid of a broom." de Groot in his Religious System of China (vol. 6, p. 972) states "Many families are in the habit of performing a kind of pretence sweeping with a broom on the last day of the year, rather than intending the removal of evil than that of filth."
Source and quotes from: Chinese Symbolism and Art Motifs, by C.A.S. Williams, Castle Books, 1974 edition, pp. 50-51.
Like the Chinese the Japanese saw the broom as an instrument of expelling evil. However, it has another use too: Placing a broom upside down is a sign to a guest that they have overstayed their visit. [My friends have either put on music they thought I would hate or they would change into their jammies.]
In the West it is walking under a ladder or breaking a mirror, but in Japan the simple act of stepping on or over a broom "...is believed to invite a curse or punishment."
"Hoki has also been used as a charm for a safe and easy child delivery in many parts of the country. It is placed upside down at the foot of the mother-to-be in prayer for successful childbirth, as it sweeps away all evil spirits and sickness."
In some locations the broom is offered a bottle of saké until the child is born. Then it - the broom and not the baby - is taken to a shrine and tied to a tree for three days.
Another superstition borrowed from the Chinese was the belief that a broom could keep the dead from moving about on their own.
Source and quotes: Mock Joya's Things Japanese, the Japanese Times, Inc., 1985 edition, pp. 19-20.

From: http://www.printsofjapan.com/Index_Glossary_Hil_thru_Hor.htm

If the woman lost a HAIR ADORNMENT, sure it was not a trivial one, this type of adorn was part of a rite, come from the Zhous time, performed when the girl arrived to the appropriate age for being marriageable. To lose it maybe is to lose something very much important.

Maybe in fu, instead of a broom the lady was honoring this head adornment with plumes or crests, after being initiated, say after the girl became a woman?

Another curiosity:

I was said that BIRD means PENIS not only among chinese or southamericans but also among other peoples, like GREEKS. And that in th U.K. is used for GIRLFRIEND. (3) In Sears'ChineseEtymology you can see a bronze character for fu with the kneeling woman at the right, the plumed emblem at the left and above all A BIRD HOLDING HER BRASSERIE WITH THE BEAK:


This story merits to be continued.

Yours,

Charly

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(1) In my country a woman with whom men fall in love is called a WITCH, maybe the sense is that all women are witches.
bewitched.jpg

From: http://www.museum.tv/eotvsection.php?entrycode=bewitched

(2) If I remember well this was the Mary «Middaughter» Halpin idea.

(3) Personal communication.
 

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More stuff for FU=WOMAN:

From:
Keeok Lee: Warp and Weft - Chinese Language and Culture.
Partially available at Google Books.

Ch.
 

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63.2 - So here the transition process continues, we have hauled ourself back on the runway and we are now overtaken by this lady in a carriage. The curtains have been pulled back on the inner world of the carriage, where we can see right inside. The protection has gone and the lady sits exposed. Vulnerable to the outer elements. First reaction may be to run after the curtains, but there is no need this is a 2010 model with electric windows...the only problem is they take seven days to close up.(must be a Ford !!) Never mind just sit and watch them rise up. After all you are getting an upgrade.

This could be about a vulnerability in our new state, we've had our old beliefs and ways wrapped around us and now they have been whisked away, our world is different more open and we are feeling and experiencing a number of insecurities. Take these for what they are, just enjoy the ride, sit back and look forward to the new view that you will have on things.

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63.2

With the second line changing, the middle line of our inner view is changing. Fire the trigram of consiousness is changing and especially the middle line the one that has the strongest connection with our etherial soul is changing. The soul that is also connected with humankindness. that makes our heart warm.
With trigram fire changing in heaven we also get the connection between our outer and inner world. (trigram fire and heaven are on the same position in the King wen and Fu Shi sequence, both in the southern position). Changing into heaven is bringing us consiousness in the outside world.

And probably that's necesarry before we are comming into our deepest centre(line3 and 4). there we have to live it than it is not only consiousness there it's for real.

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0 Six in the second place:

a)
The woman loses the curtain of her carriage.
Do not run after it.
On the seventh day you will get it.

b)
"On the seventh day you will get it," as a result of the middle way.

The primary trigram, Li, in which this is the middle line, is the middle daughter, hence a woman as the symbol. The same idea is suggested by the fact that the line is yielding and in the relationship of correspondence to the husband, the nine in the fifth place.

K'an means wagon, Li means curtain.

K'an also means robbers, hence the theft of the curtain.

"After seven days" means after the complete cycle of change in the six lines of the hexagram; at the seventh change the starting point recurs. The line is yielding and stands between two strong lines; it can be compared to a woman who has lost her veil and is consequently exposed to attack. But since she is correct, these attacks do her no harm. She remains true to her husband and also obtains her veil again.
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When a woman drove out in her carriage, she had a curtain to hide her from the curious. It was regarded as a breach of propriety to drive on if this curtain was lost...
-Wilhelm
Rosada:

I wonder if ancient chinese women drove carriages. I believe it wasn't appropriate for women, even maybe unhealthy. (1)

Of course, the chinese text says nothing about driving women nor about carriages.

...
The woman loses the curtain of her carriage.
Do not run after it;
On the seventh day you will get it.
... [W/B]
Chinse text (W/B in uppercase):

fu4: woman / [THE] WOMAN
sang4: mourning / funeral / downcast / to lose (2) / LOSES
qi2: his / her / its / theirs / that / such / [OF] HER [CARRIAGE]
fu2: carriage curtain // headdressing // luxuriant growth / (3) [THE] CURTAIN

wu4: do not / DO NOT
zhu2 : to pursue / to chase / to expel / RUN AFTER [IT]

qi1: seven / 7 / [ON THE] SEVENTH
ri4: day / sun / date / day of the month / DAY
de2: obtain / get / gain / proper / suitable / [YOU] WILL GET [IT]



LADY MISSING HER «FU», DON'T PURSUE.
Don't run after ladies that have lost their curtains / hair-dress

SEVEN DAYS WILL GET.
Who? What?
In seven days she will recover the lost things.
In seven days you will get her.


Maybe Wilhelm made understand that the woman has LOST his REPUTATION, be for riding a carriage, be for being exposed to the eyes of people.

But also the curtain could have been lost because the woman was escaping from robbers or enemies, say she was fleeing, maybe she had to choose between reputation and life and she preferred not to stop for recover the curtain.


Temporary morals:

For girls:
Sometimes is better not stopping for reputation, after a while it will return.

For boys:
Don't run after tempting women, run before, in due time they will fall like ripe fruit.

...
That which is man's own cannot be permanently lost. It comes to him of its own accord. He need only be able to wait.

Or maybe it isn't but another bedchamber advice for aware men.

Still working in it.

Yours,

Charly


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(1) Hypatia was captured in 415 while driving her carriage by the streets of Alexandria, later she was brutally murderer for different points of view about religion and things proper for women. Of course, she not only drove her own carriage, she was also a good mathematician and philosopher. All roles unhealthy for women. Even in our times most guys seeing women driving cars jeer them «better go to clean the dishes».

(2) not to lose trivial things, but sensible ones,like life, parents, relatives, country. Some authors see in seal character two dogs howling to death (Howell & Morimoto).

(3) ancient meanings for Lin Yutang were: CART SCREEN and GOOD LUCK. 茀茀 repeated mean VIGOROUS.

Another fu [拂] of similar spellig but with the radical hand instead of grass means DUSTER / TO BRUSH OFF.
 
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Rosada:

I wonder if ancient chinese women drove carriages. I believe it wasn't appropriate for women, even maybe unhealthy. (1)

Of course, the chinese text says nothing about driving women nor about carriages.



Still working in it.

Yours,

Charly




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To say she 'drove out in her carriage' doesn't have to mean she herself drove it. Reading older novels for example women (usually ladies ie of high social standing) are often said to take a drive in their carriage...but it does not mean they drive it themselves.


So I've never taken it that Wilhelm is saying the lady drives the carriage herself. Afterall if she drove the carriage herself she wouldn't want a curtain as she would need to see where she was going.

I'm suprised you say the Chinese text says nothing about carriages nor ladies within them ?

I see the line as to do with vulnerability to exposure.
 
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I got called away as I was posting the last of the Wilhelm comments above. I think they are significant so while I added them to the earlier post i am also going to state them again here:

"The line is yielding and stands between two strong lines; it can be compared to a woman who has lost her veil and is consequently exposed to attack. But since she is correct, these attacks do her no harm. She remains true to her husband and also obtains her veil again."

I think "woman" in the I Ching represents the Unconscious and "veil" is the facade we erect to keep from knowing, to keep from seeing all that is really going on, least we go crazy. Every so often something happens and whether it's an earthquake in Haiti or a bug hitting the windshield, we see The Truth - and we know we are all equal, all reflections of each other and that we will all die.

That we will all die is The Truth in the largest sense, but i could see in a personal reading the veil could represent whatever "truth" one has not been seeing and which knowing might cause one to go into crisis. The advice then "She remains true to her husband and obtains her veil again" suggests one must not freak out with these unbearable moments of revelation, but remain true to our protection, our beliefs and affirm instead that we are eternal beings. If one does this I think the promise the veil will be returned means that we will be able to once again have the protection of Love and be able to function in this unfeeling Universe of random chance and no guarantees.
-rosada
 
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Hex 63.2 >>5 not much now...wait till later results come about

Hex 63 is about focusing upon one's own actions without noticing the reactions of others. Each line from 1 to 6 shows a longer time of inattention and a more serious result. In line 2 things are still pretty mild and minor.

63.2 takes this theme in terms of a lady going out in her carriage more concerned with her trip than in the detail that she doesn't have her privacy curtain or veil and therefore subject to criticism and gossip as folks can see her and recognize who she is. Nothing is actually going on, just the automatic chatter of the folks on the streets, so by next week the buzz will have moved on to the next topic.

In more general terms this refers to the focus upon your own initiative without concern for the resistance that arises to anyone's new initiative. Things will calm down on their own after the reaction to the new waves or wake of your actions pass. Of course this also indicates that there probably won't be much show of support for your initiative until both the instant reaction subsides and your initiative actually shows some results.

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To say she 'drove out in her carriage' doesn't have to mean she herself drove it. ...
I'm suprised you say the Chinese text says nothing about carriages nor ladies within them ?
I see the line as to do with vulnerability to exposure.
Hi, Trojan:

I manage too little english, I didn't understand that to drive migh be used for to take a walk in a carriage.

But:
Why the curtain got lost?
  • If lost, why was not recovered? If the woman was not alone in the carriage, the driver could descend.
  • Why is said that she was who lost the curtain?
  • Maybe the woman was hurried and preferred not waste time.

Speaking of the ZhuYI, the carriage doesn't appear in the text, only that we believe that FU describes a CARRIAGE CURTAIN. If there is no carriage there is no lady inside.

What if FU designates a CURTAIN in general, or maybe a metaphor for woman's dress, say a VEIL.


LADY THAT LOST HER VEIL, DON'T PURSUE.
Don't run after unveiled women.

I agree that can be understood as VULNERABILITY TO EXPOSURE. I only hold that the text allows multiple readings and, of course, multiple morals.

The more important are hidding, nothing to do with public opinion, official story o dominant ideology, for these uses there are another sort of texts.

Most guys run after naked women only because they are so. The YI exhorts not to do this, but look for sometingh else. And must speak not only to guys but also to girls.

[Gurdjieff]... after a long time of staring around, he turned suddenly and said: «Suppose, example, you out there, no clothes, I here; I choose you, why? Because I see ... something else»

From Jane Heap, quoted at: http://www.gurdjieff.org/rope.htm

But even losing the FU the lady had not to become naked although maybe no less vulnerable:
  • Legge: (CARRIAGE) CURTAIN
  • Wilhelm/Baynes: CARRIAGE CURTAIN
  • Blofeld: CHARRIOT BLIND (maybe a bamboo blind)
  • Feng/Kegan: CURTAIN
  • Rick Kunst: WIG
  • Kerson Huang: WIG
  • Wu Jing Nuan: HAIR ADORNMENT (not sure, to be checked)
  • Richard Lynn (not suspected of modernism): HEAD-DRESS

No less vulnerable because how can a woman lose the WIG, the HAIR ADORNMENT or the HEAD-DRESS? Not while she is cleaning the house, not while she is cooking at the kitchen, maybe during the night...

Yours,

Charly

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The covered wagon was mainly taken by women in the Han Dynasty. ...displays the scene of a woman from the rich family of the Han Dynasty taking the covered wagon: the mistress is sitting at the back, while the stableman is driving in the front.
From: http://www.cultural-china.com/chinaWH/html/en/History1968bye4728.html
 
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This line brings to mind a scene from Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, in which a desert
thief steals the young heroine's hair-comb/hair-pin (and she was, at the time, in a veiled
carriage).

The sword, in Crouching Tiger, is contrasted with the comb. The action of combing her
hair triggers Jen's first flashback to the desert where she lived with her lover Lo; it is
Lo's theft of a comb, and her pursuit of it, that leads to her affair with him, and she
leaves it behind with him when she departs. This allows us to associate the comb with
the feminine principle, as we have already associated the sword with the masculine.


I got this line once when there was some work needed to be done in my home, and thus
my home was open at all times to several builders who could come in at will. I had lost
my 'veil', through nobody's fault really, and thus felt exposed for quite a while, ie no
privacy. Something is snatched away and makes one feel vulnerable, however by the
sounds of it, only something 'surface' is lost, and only temporarily.
 

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63.2 . . definitely fallen defences and a loss of privacy while attending to the completion of works in my experience but this was not like the fallen defenses of 11.6 . . somehow different because whatever was lost was obviously to be returned, just a matter of time . .

love the idea of a fallen hairpin too, I guess ladies of rank back then would not appear in public with their hair undone, but also Diamanda's association with the movie makes it even more clear why the hairpin is a token or reminder of return . .

these days a very dear friend from Greece is visiting and I'm showing her around town . . sometimes things get a bit tense since everyday rhythms are disturbed both for me and her but we know that it is mostly a passing mood that causes it and things will feel more comfortable once the tension of the trip calms down . . Frank's post reflects that quite vividly . .

fkegan:
63.2 takes this theme in terms of a lady going out in her carriage more concerned with her trip than in the detail that she doesn't have her privacy curtain or veil and therefore subject to criticism and gossip as folks can see her and recognize who she is. Nothing is actually going on, just the automatic chatter of the folks on the streets, so by next week the buzz will have moved on to the next topic.
 

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63.2 Perhaps it's also in a sense about your halo slipping, but if you don't make a big thing of it it no one else is going to and things will transpire to bring it back on the level. A bit like a self-righting mechanism.
 

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Perhaps we should consider how 63.2 might manifest.
I was watching some old Seinfield reruns and saw the one where Kramer inadvertently comes in on Eileen while she is dressing. She runs to Jerry and wails, "Kramer saw me naked! How can I go on?"
Very silly and very funny. A true 63.2 moment.

Yet while it can be argued that worse things happen in life than losing a hair pin, I don't think we should underestimate the lesson here. We have just come from studying a whole hexagram devoted to recognizing the importance of Small Details. Now we are given the example of a woman losing a small thing to illustrate it doesn't matter if the actual loss is minor or life threatening. The point is there is an appropriate way to handle such a situation. The I Ching is counseling us here that when we feel robbed or mistreated or for some reason feel we have lost the protection of those we rely on, we need not look outside ourselves to return to us that which is ours. So whether we have lost a small thing or received a death sentence, 63.2 comforts us that we have within ourselves the power to create all that we need. "Seven days" promises we can rebuild our life relatively quickly and meanwhile 63.2 - 5, "Eat, drink and be of good cheer."
-rosada
 

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Hi Rosada, Mike, et al.

I would not agree that the Seinfeld rerun you recount is in any way a hex 63.2 moment. Kramer was the active one who walked in on Elaine as part of his usual behavior of doing his thing without any concern for anyone else or their boundaries. He has changed his fundamental relationship with her in ways she did not want and the effects may continue for a long time. It is like the humor of laughing at someone falling down, the incident is brief, but the possible damage of the fall is a different matter with its own consequences. Elaine can never again change her clothes totally in Jerry's apartment peacefully and her interaction with Kramer will forever be altered as he has now joined the group who have seen her naked something she clearly did not want to ever happen.

The emphasis in hex 63.2 is not at all upon just being exposed. It is about focusing only upon your own actions while ignoring the consequences set loose. In line 2 it is a minor problem, just one stage beyond a rough landing after a long river crossing, so the problems will swirl not for a day but a week.

They do not disappear of themselves, rather the curtain will be returned without searching for it when a complete cycle of changes have passed. Just as the lady can be identified traveling without her curtain so folks do know who owns the curtain lying in the road and will return it to her family. This does not mean it all just goes away, rather that the fact that she drove off without the curtain firmly in place will be reported to her husband or household. But running after it now won't do much good, and the consequences should be all worked out in a weeks time. The lady is responsible for her actions, though not for her carriage curtain coming off while she is on her way. The curtain will be returned in a week and by then all will be worked out; not as some automatic matter, rather as an expression of how the household is run. Probably not a unique or even a new event; however the scale of the incident is all that is indicated. It isn't the size of the curtain or hairpin that matters, it is why it was lost, what the lady was so intent to do and what was seen by the public as a result of the problem that matters.

Nor would I agree with Mike that this line refers to a self-correcting process where just ignoring the problem will cause it to go away. Each of the lines in this hexagrams refer to actions YOU have launched that are having bad consequences which are only now beginning to be noticed and will take some while (longer with each line) to rectify.

It is the lack of attention to the consequences of your actions which is being highlighted. For the first line it is an immediate result quickly resolved. In this line it takes a week and action by others to resolve the problem. Each line involves a longer time frame with the results being more and more serious.

Frank
 

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HI Frank
Hex 63 for me is working mostly up in the spiritual realms, where perhaps we don't have to do anything. We will become illumined as to the error of our ways without having to go looking for it.
Sure we've spilt some milk and there is absolutely no point in crying about it. Indeed in the way we connect with things ,we may not have even noticed that our actions have spilt some milk and as you say the consequences may not be something we are aware of.

But at some point we are going to realise what the hell we've done - that curtain has been whisked away. The milk has been spilt and now we see the error of our ways and the consequences. Now we can hang onto the old view or we can let that go and by working on ourself we are able to self right.
I'm not sure that I've said that one has to ignore the problem, but if I have then I stand corrected as that is not what I see here. Action has to be taken at the right time, this may be internal action or indeed external action, but some action is needed. This action should be embraced as after all you are getting an upgrade.

I'm not sure if this brings our views any closer.
Also I'd be keen to hear you expand on why action by others is necessary to resolve the problem here.

Mike
 

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