Can the Yijing cause you to lose your personal power?

[autumn]

And when now and then there is no understanding,

Of what? What is it that "others" just aren't cool enough to "get" here? How about one clear statement about what the point of this thread is really supposed to mean for individual lives? **** Jesus, embrace demons. And if you don't wholeheartedly agree, well, then you just must not be cool enough to get it.

 

[bruce_g]

How about one clear statement about what the point of this thread is really supposed to mean for individual lives?

It’s about keeping your color, Autumn. Yours looks bright red from here.. rather like fire. Good for you!

 

[Sparhawk]

It’s about keeping your color, Autumn. Yours looks bright red from here.. rather like fire. Good for you!

Great! We are starting a conversation on "aura readings"...

Hmm, perhaps that was the intention of the thread to begin with...

 

[nicky_p]

Of what? What is it that "others" just aren't cool enough to "get" here? How about one clear statement about what the point of this thread is really supposed to mean for individual lives? **** Jesus, embrace demons. And if you don't wholeheartedly agree, well, then you just must not be cool enough to get it.

I may be wrong but I don’t think that that was what LiSe was trying to say. I read what you had to say about the mentally ill with interest – especially in just trying to purge my own demons I landed myself a stay in a mental health clinic (not voluntarily) The people that I met in there, well there are various words you can use to describe them: disturbed, some; grieving, most; misunderstood, definitely. It’s not that I have a problem with counselling at all. But in having to qualify your feelings and explain why you feel that way sometimes makes you numb. And it’s not that I have a problem with Jesus – I’m baptised and confirmed Church of England but I was confirmed by a man that suggested to me that Jesus may have been a time traveller who possessed esoteric knowledge (very open-minded! Lol) Going back to myths and thinking on hex 18 (LiSe's description of a can of worms) – it’s a bit like Pandora’s Box.

 

[hilary]

I think Bruce sort of tied his own bootlaces together to start with. On the one hand, the thread is inspired because of something he's noticed in some people. On the other hand, because he's more interested in discussion than bashing, he doesn't name them and can't get very specific in examples.

Of course we don't 'get' each other a lot of the time (though remote aura-reading could change all that...). I've had a few people look at me over the years, not see colours, and assume I wasn't quite real. It makes me a bit miffed .

 

[bruce_g]

Hilary, you're absolutely right, I tied my own laces. I also put on the mask of the devil , who means something different when you think he may be looking at you personally . But that's just your reflection off of my own color: abysmal blue.

 

[autumn]

Nicky,
The question I tried to ask from the beginning was, "what is color? what is the point here?" If you try to follow a non-destructive life path, then you don't *experience* enough of life? Is that what color is supposed to be? How does anyone know how another person's inner world is experienced? Certainly noone said, "I feel a lack of color", so the problem isn't orginating in this person's inner world. It's orginating in someone else's world. It's just a judgement. I was simply asking for someone to flesh out the argument, because it doesn't look like an argument at all.

If it isn't really an argument, then it's just a bunch of people getting together and saying-that person is really cool, but I don't like that other person.

 

[hilary]

"Can the Yijing cause you to lose your personal power?"
No. It's a book, it can't cause you to do anything.

"Can you forfeit your personal power by using the Yijing in certain ways?"
Absolutely. You can use it as a substitute for listening to your self, as a replacement for your power to take decisions, and as a way of endlessly second-guessing your gut feeling until your gut goes to sleep.

"Can we tell when someone else is doing themselves harm with the way they use the oracle?"
Sometimes, maybe.

"Can we tell whether another person is lacking the full spectrum of emotion and character?"
No. The colours we can see depend on the tint of our own spectacles.

"Does Bruce enjoy hopping round with his bootlaces tied together and wearing a mask with horns?"

 

[Sparhawk]

"Does Bruce enjoy hopping round with his bootlaces tied together and wearing a mask with horns?"

For his own sake I hope not. He lives in rattle-snake country. He can keep the mask though...

 

[nicky_p]

Nicky,
The question I tried to ask from the beginning was, "what is color? what is the point here?" If you try to follow a non-destructive life path, then you don't *experience* enough of life? Is that what color is supposed to be? How does anyone know how another person's inner world is experienced? Certainly noone said, "I feel a lack of color", so the problem isn't orginating in this person's inner world. It's orginating in someone else's world. It's just a judgement. I was simply asking for someone to flesh out the argument, because it doesn't look like an argument at all.

If it isn't really an argument, then it's just a bunch of people getting together and saying-that person is really cool, but I don't like that other person.

Again, I may be wrong but I don't I don't think that adopting a destructive life path for the *experience* as you put it was the intention of the thread. It was a question - just like your what is color question. Like I said this thread struck chords for me because of something I've recently been experiencing and so I guess that has filtered into my answers to you and to Bruce's question.

"Does Bruce enjoy hopping round with his bootlaces tied together and wearing a mask with horns?"

Down in Cornwall (and Stonehenge) there is a pagan festival for life and fertility where strange men and women dress up and dance. Bruce does your mask look anything like this? http://www.worldphotos.org/pagan153113.htm

 

[autumn]

Again, I may be wrong but I don't I don't think that adopting a destructive life path for the *experience* as you put it was the intention of the thread.

What do you think the intention was, in a down-to-earth way? Maybe you have already answered. Not to over-analyze life? I am thinking that really the opposite effect plays out. It's a new thought that occurred to me. Oracles draw people who are weak in the Solar Plexus chakra, and have a lot of anxiety about to follow their wills. They use the oracle to over-analyze the situation instead of learning the lessons.

 

[bruce_g]

Down in Cornwall (and Stonehenge) there is a pagan festival for life and fertility where strange men and women dress up and dance. Bruce does your mask look anything like this? http://www.worldphotos.org/pagan153113.htm

mmm, I dunno. I didn't really think about it. I sometimes enter into things without knowing what I enter in as. Like the mask or shoelaces. Later I can see them, especially when it's pointed out to me. I don't worry much about tripping though. I do well on my feet.

 

[nicky_p]

Oracles draw people who are weak in the Solar Plexus chakra, and have a lot of anxiety about to follow their wills. They use the oracle to over-analyze the situation instead of learning the lessons.

Then maybe you and Bruce are asking the same question?
http://www.btinternet.com/~seamaid/SacredTruthc3.htm

Sometimes I use the oracle to help explain to me the lessons - but maybe that's what you mean about over-analysing?

 

[nicky_p]

mmm, I dunno. I didn't really think about it. I sometimes enter into things without knowing what I enter in as. Like the mask or shoelaces. Later I can see them, especially when it's pointed out to me. I don't worry much about tripping though. I do well on my feet.

LOL!

 

[Trojina]

Nicky,
The question I tried to ask from the beginning was, "what is color? what is the point here?" If you try to follow a non-destructive life path, then you don't *experience* enough of life? Is that what color is supposed to be? How does anyone know how another person's inner world is experienced? Certainly noone said, "I feel a lack of color", so the problem isn't orginating in this person's inner world. It's orginating in someone else's world. It's just a judgement. I was simply asking for someone to flesh out the argument, because it doesn't look like an argument at all.

If it isn't really an argument, then it's just a bunch of people getting together and saying-that person is really cool, but I don't like that other person.

Yes, exactly. Glad you articulated it for me :bows:

 

[bruce_g]

I see everyone here as me and me as everyone else. Every time someone is offensive, I see something of myself that is offensive. Once I see the offense without the mask, it becomes what it really is, like, fire or water or wind, etc. What I project into it (or them) is wholly mine. Of course I see it working in the other direction in the same way. If I’ve offended anyone in this thread, that offense belongs to them. I’ve made no personally slanderous remarks. And those who think I have are simply reading into what I said that wasn’t there; like interpreting a hexagram to mean something that it doesn’t say. We wrestle our own demons with each other.

And I did, after all, post a warning:

If you are easily offended, please do not read this.

So, Nicky, I guess it is much like those strange men and women, dancing in strange costumes, celebrating a festival of life.

 

[autumn]

Bruce,
The only thing that I am offended by, or have been offended by, is having my personal perspective invalidated by the shrug, "I guess you don't get it." Nothing you have said prior to that was in any way offensive to me.

I think you're ducking personal responsibility by imagining that others would be offended by your abstract ideas, when it wasn't personal beliefs you started with, but commentary about individual lives and their inner experiences.

 

[bruce_g]

Bruce,
The only thing that I am offended by, or have been offended by, is having my personal perspective invalidated by the shrug, "I guess you don't get it." Nothing you have said prior to that was in any way offensive to me.

I think you're ducking personal responsibility by imagining that others would be offended by your abstract ideas, when it wasn't personal beliefs you started with, but commentary about individual lives and their inner experiences.

What have I accused you of? What personally degrading comment have I made? If I don’t acknowledge everything you say, does that mean I haven’t heard it? Must I agree with it? Maybe I do or don’t, or maybe I respect it as your point of view, and leave it at that.

You liked my white-dog/black-boar dreams, and then proceeded to interpret them for me. That was nice of you, but given that I was the dreamer of it, and have worked through 5 years of watching it unfold in my life, I think I’m entitled to my own interpretation of it as well? Thank you!

Or have I missed it again, and you were referring to some other invalidating shrug?

 

[autumn]

You didn't say, "You are misinterpreting the dream", which I would not have found at all offensive. I most certainly am aware that it was your dream. You said, gee, I guess people just don't get it.

What is personally offensive about that to me is you started out by making insinuations about "others", but you want to talk about it in a conceptual way, with very vague, undefined terms, like "colors". So, I tried to talk to you about it in a conceptual way. I said, is this all we do? Do we just suffer (and the term demon implies suffering), or repress? As far as I can see, your response was just "you don't get it". (And of course, you may not have just been referring to me).

So, you start out by criticizing people, but then change the argument so its not about individuals, and then shut down the conceptual discussion (at least mine) with the statement, "I guess you just don't get it".

 

[autumn]

That to me is an invalidating shrug.

 

[bruce_g]

Btw, you mentioned something about Pluto in one of your last posts? I like Pluto too. He's a good dog.

 

[autumn]

Just an observation. If the collar fits, wear it.

 

[bruce_g]

That to me is an invalidating shrug.

I didn't say anything about your interpretation of my dream. I didn't ask for an interpretation, but I read it openly, nodded my head, said, I can see how she sees it, and then let it go.

Honestly, Autumn, I don't know what your beef really is, but I'm having a hard time taking it personally.

 

[bruce_g]

Just an observation. If the collar fits, wear it.

Ah, a little Domme' color coming through there, Autumn?

 

[bruce_g]

Careful not to let Luis hear you. I think he’s into that stuff.

 

[bruce_g]

And, Hilary, don’t think I didn’t see you, kicking up a pile of dust over there too, hmphing about your colors not being seen. Come on, admit it, it felt good!

 

[bruce_g]

And, Jesed, who like me, is always right. You little devil you. How did you get in my head?

 

[hilary]

Who, me?

 

[bruce_g]

And, Nicky, whose words are not always clear, were very clear. Funny how some people need a bit of chaos before they can feel well ordered. Gem'ni thing I guess.

 

[bruce_g]

Who, me?

Yes! Just, Yes!