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Um. Actually to 25. That's why Chris keeps talking about 46 as 'entangling'.nicky_p said:um, except 46 all lines changing leads to 45
nicky_p said:
cjgait said:I prefer Balkin:
"To push upward into darkness means to push forward blindly, unaware of the hazards that remain ahead.
The time of easy, unforced progress is coming to a close. Do not try to advance without constantly reevaluating your position and exercising the utmost care and discretion..."
he goes on for another paragraph or so.
If you follow Karcher, you'll probably just fall in a hole.
bruce_g said:Yes, I see all the lines representing a tree's growing process.
1 the seed is earthed
2 the seed sprouts
3 the sprout breaks through to the surface
4 the young tree is blessed through sun and rain
5 the tree grows steadily
6 the tree grows outside its boundaries
bruce_g said:Interesting that 47 is an enclosed tree, yes?
dobro said:Nah... 46.6 just means ascending into the unknown. It correlates with 46.3. The text attaches no value judgement, cuz there isn't one. .......
but in this case, you've lost all sense of knowing where you're going. That's not necessarily a bad thing.
In fact, the reason the line counsels not pausing in your efforts is cuz the whole 'not knowing where you're going' approach is a good one in this case.
martin said:I see a different story here that is more in line with Nicky's 'the shrub's progress through the earth'.
I didn't check how it exactly plays out in the lines yet (manana perhaps ), but as I see it the story starts with roots in the earth. It's not about a new tree, the roots are old, from past seasons. So there are no seeds.
The roots symbolize something that we have accumulated in 'past seasons' and that we can now use. The roots are alive, this old something, whatever it is, can grow, it has potential. And it is a kind of platform that is solid, dependable, we can trust it, it is real. We feel 'rooted' when we sense it. Both our feet are on (or even in) the ground.
But we don't know what will become of the roots. There is nothing yet above the surface. Nothing has manifested. There is also no clear purpose or ideal out there. Something pushes from behind, from the depths, but there is no clear 'pull' from the front. The engine is at the rear so to speak.
In 46 we don't try to realize this or that, we rather start with what we have or are, develop that and see what comes of it. We don't know where this root potential will lead us. And we don't care too much. We will see.
Except in line 6. In that line we start to worry (too much) about the goals that we might or might not reach. I think ..
My guess would be that in line 6 we indeed (like in Nicky's second version) still don't see anything above the surface and that is what worries is.
lightofreason said:No. 47 pairs with 48 in the traditional sequence - so there is not even rotation. 45 pairs with 46 in the traditional sequence. In the binary 46 pairs with 18 (and so the entanglement of worms in that bowl ;-))
The entanglement focus allows for roots to get entangled, branches to get entangled etc in that the entanglement covers any format - be it tree roots, computer cables, phone cords, people, collectives etc.
The generic form is a context of cultivation in which is operating devotion (or the 'darkness', fear, depending on mode of interpretation ;-))
Emotionally you can read it as with anticipation of wrong doing comes fear - and THAT will drive one to get entangled with others for protection.
From the positive angle, we get entangled to move 'up' in the world - but too much and it can get messy,corrupt, difficult to dis-entangle. 18 covers this in that it focuses on perpetual interactions to avoid neglect that can lead to over-entanglements etc.
OTOH In 47 the focus is more on fitting into a context with the analogy to enclosing a tree to force its roots to go deep. This enclosure can be willing or forced. It pairs with 06 in the binary format, showing a focus on issues of compromise.
Chris.
listener said:I agree with the above except for the last line. It may NOT be a good approach to go forward blindly, even though in some cases it might be. The idea is to acknowledge that you are not aware of what you are getting into. If you are ready and willing for an undefined adventure, go for it. If not, reconsider.
I think I wrote once on this board that I got this line when I asked if I should make the trip to my favorite indoor swimming pool and hottub. It's a great place to relax, but the traffic is wearying......46.6.....The traffic was fine, but when i got there, the pool and hottub were full of little children having a pool birthday party. UGH. NOt relaxing at all. An adventure I could have done without. The dear old Yi was warning me that I didnt know what I was in for. I should have called ahead.
listener said:I agree with the above except for the last line. It may NOT be a good approach to go forward blindly, even though in some cases it might be. The idea is to acknowledge that you are not aware of what you are getting into. If you are ready and willing for an undefined adventure, go for it. If not, reconsider.
bruce_g said:I have to say, the root system you describe sounds very strange to me. Roots grow beneath the earth only in proportion to what is growing above.
martin said:Lol, yes, that's where the analogy goes wrong.
A better analogy perhaps (but every analogy has shortcomings) is that of a writer that is writing a book. One day he will (he hopes) finish the book and have it published but until then his work remains hidden for the public and perhaps even for his family and friends. It doesn't surface until then, it remains underground.
But, like you, I'm not saying that this is the only true story for this hexagram. Your take on it makes sense to me too.
And your first GM gig seems to fit in both ways. It's line 6, I would say, you tried to 'surface' too early.
bruce_g said:I have to say, the root system you describe sounds very strange to me. Roots grow beneath the earth only in proportion to what is growing above.
sparhawk said:Tell me, you've never grown bamboo in your garden, have you?? I have and the world is upside down for that type of grass... It took me three years to get rid of the roots after I cut down the grove as it was invading my neighbor's lawn. He almost sued me to pay for the clean up of his side... Crazy plant, that one... My fault for not Hex60 the little shots when I planted them...
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trojan said:Its weird how I never think of a tree at all with 46, why I don't know, the imagery is there alright. Sometimes we just don't see whats in front of us So the way the threads developed has been very educational for me, lol.
I always associate the lines with the bestowing of honour and patronage from those above, its all this Mount Chi the King is offering etc. I've trouble relating it to the tree analogy, seems I've always looked at it in a kind of political way. I guess it largley tends to come up for me when theres been a situation of gaining some kind of recognition or help from someone in a 'higher' position. I've taken this political perspective (unconsciously really) by Wilhelms stressing its the right time to see those in authority, to reveal what you can do, to not be afraid. For Wilhelm at least its a rise in reputation, 'fame' is mentioned in line 4, a rise from obscurity to prominence. This is what he seems to stress in the Judgement at least.
A tree growing is organic, it unfolds in its own time given the right conditions. Yet what i'm reading of 46 its about not just organic growth but seeking out those who can further you, a fortunate time to be a bit 'pushy' ? Maybe not a contradiction ?
Am I alone in seeing 46 as sometimes being like a bit of political manoevering to spotlight oneself, hmmm that would lead to the entanglements and the needed disentangling of 25 I suppose.
bruce_g said:I know nothing about bamboo, but that's interesting. I have reeds growing out back which looks a bit like bamboo, irrigated by the washing machine drainage. They withstand very hard winds by clumping themselves close together. Strength in numbers. Maybe hex 7 or 8?
sparhawk said:Reeds? I'm surrounded by reeds. I live in a marshy part of New Jersey and the darn things are everywhere. There is even a state commission to curb the growth of phragmites (reeds) using defoliating agents. THEY ARE IMPOSSIBLE TO KILL!! Here is a picture I shot last year of a plane fumigating the reeds...
If you ever plant bamboo, make sure you dig a ditch, at least two feet deep, around the place where you want the bamboo to be and build a brick or cinder-block wall inside it. Then you plant the bamboo. I didn't...
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bruce_g said:Are you near Clifton? Or have I asked that before?
sparhawk said:No, Clifton is almost in the NE corner of NJ, close to NYC and I'm in Salem County, the SW corner of NJ, over the Delaware River, across from DE. Beautiful sunsets!!
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dobro said:Well, I think you got what you deserved for asking unnecessary questions about going to the pool. lol
I thought these threads say a bit about the experience of 46.6:trojan said:Now I tend to look in the hexagram index here next to Wilhelm, Karcher, Brad, Lise etc because I like to see the practical application.
2ndtrojan said:Like here the 2nd and 3rd link say nothing about 46,6 ? I'll look again.
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