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If I criticized Luis for going into my desk and reading my personal diary at work, would you call me a Nazi? If you did, you'd be very mistaken, I think.
But when I read for someone on the internet then I have never ever physically met them and therefore cannot form any opinion about them at all, so please tell me how I get my information about them or about another person they are asking about? I guess it just plain friggin magic don't you think.
Or did you mistake some of my Dobro quotes for my statements?
I might well have done that. This has been a very trying, confusing, topsy-turvy week both personally and professionally. Some of that confusion might have spilled over to my posts here. After I rest up this weekend, I'll reread the thread with a more relaxed attitude. Sorry if I blustered in and ruffled feathers.
Those recent posts and responses were indeed extreme and bizarre, by me as well as others...
Well, Frank, it's nice to know it's not just me. I suppose from a Jungian point of view, maybe the reason my outer world encountered "extreme and bizarre" messages from outside was that my own opinions were jumbled up inside?
useful to go over them and figure out what was going on
Nah, I think inspirational threads are like busses. I missed out on this one, but there will be another one that shows up in 17 minutes or so...
Mess up one thread and just expect someone else will run a new one by for you without any obligation on your part to learn anything from the experience? OK--tat tvam asi.
and on the topic, I am nosy with the Yi about people who are in my sphere of daily life....and the Yi is very helpful
As a matter of interest how do you know the Yi has been helpful ? Do you later get verification of what you think it has told you from the person you asked about ? Just wondering because if you asked about someones feelings or what they are doing etc how would you ever know the Yi had answered you meaningfully unless you checked out with them later how they were feeling or what they did do etc etc
This thread proves it: Dobro asked a question and was told at length what some think he thinks. Dobro can protest but it will not change what the other thinks he sees. It was very different from what I think he thinks. And probably from what you think he thinks.
Don't you know that even in plain life in full daylight without any Yi-magic people are not really interested in what is inside the other? They want to get affirmed in what they 'think' or maybe 'fear' he/she thinks. They don't want any affirmation from reality.
As a matter of interest how do you know the Yi has been helpful ? Do you later get verification of what you think it has told you from the person you asked about ? Just wondering because if you asked about someones feelings or what they are doing etc how would you ever know the Yi had answered you meaningfully unless you checked out with them later how they were feeling or what they did do etc etc
I do think though that there are moments that Yi can show you something in the heart of another, in the same way that we also sometimes 'see' what is there. How? Dunno. When we are totally open to someone, we see. So I think if you ask Yi in that same open mind, you also see, through the Yi. Same door, maybe just a different key.
There is magic in the Yi, but there is also magic in us. Same magic.
LiSe
Shhh... This is Morpheus speaking. The big secret is that Dobro doesn't think at all and need us to think for him. He's just an A.I. avatar sitting somewhere in an underground computer farm. "The Matrix" is here and Dobro is Mr. Smith...
first maybe clarify what I mean by "nosy".....i dont ask e.g. if evelyn hates chloe or how the Browns' marriage is doing. altho i am certain someone could and get accurate results
i work in several workplaces and there is a lot of politics that go on and some times there is a thin line between what I perceive and what I imagine. I am very perceptive but I can also be prone to imagining the worst, at times.
more than once i have had an uneasy perception aboout another person's stance and I use the Yi to verify if my perceptions are accurate. sometimes there is a "no blame" -" all is well " kind of yi response and other times it is like a 44.6,
warning me , in other words, that " you are in for a battle"
and forewarned is forearmed, and the yi has been VERY helpful, as i said.
Don't you know that even in plain life in full daylight without any Yi-magic people are not really interested in what is inside the other? They want to get affirmed in what they 'think' or maybe 'fear' he/she thinks. They don't want any affirmation from reality.
LiSe
Um... sort of, perhaps. The impression I get is that all the 'how does he feel?' questions are asked out of a sense that 'I have to know how he feels before I know how I can feel.'
Luis,
The zeroth law of thermo? That's a stretch--the physics comes from problems with thermometers and need to use the concept of temperature to justify all the work with calorimeters. Applied to Yi questions, it doesn't seem to get much farther than equilibrium is most stable when universal.
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Where do we get these ideas that the I Ching is guiding us to some sort of Higher Good? I agree, I think it is, but is it reasonable for us to assume this? I've been looking at The Idiot's Guide to The I Ching and so many of their examples refer to how the I Ching was used to determine battle strategy and murderous plots and I guess it must have given accurate info because the ancients used it for this purpose for hundreds of years. So has something changed? Was it appropriate to ask three thousand years ago, "What is my neighbor thinking of me - so I can know when best to poison him?" and today it's not?
I don't think so. I think the I Ching can accurately answer any question put to it but it is up to the questioner if they can understand the answer. Whether the question is morally appropriate doesn't seem to enter in, in my experience. I mean, I've asked the I Ching many questions and I've never had the book explode in my hands.
So what is going on here? Why are some reader's more adept and seeing more deeply into the hexagrams and others get completely misled? I think it has more to do with the ego involvement of the questioner than the morality of the question. Someone who wants to know how their boyfriend feels about them is less likely to be able to see The Truth in the response than an outsider reading the same hexagram. The difference is not that the question was a wrongful invasion of privacy, but rather that the querent simply wasn't able to let go of their own perspective to understand things from an I Ching wider viewpoint.
Perhaps ultimately one comes to realize that for them personally asking about another's private feelings is "cheating" or not helpful, but I don't think we can make the blanket statement that the I Ching is saying it is Wrong.
I'm starting to wonder why Hitler keeps creeping back from the dead and inserts himself into all these threads... Perhaps we should call the Ghost Whisperer. If anything, I'll get to see Jennifer Love Hewitt close by...
Clarity,
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