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Harmen:... I believe that 坎 means 'sound of drumming' instead of 'pit', ... And we know from the Shijing that 坎坎 refers to the sound of drumming...
The beating of the shaman drum is the most powerful way to induce trance ... repetitive rhythms at certain frequencies can induce a hypnotic state similar to the trance of shamans. Shaman’s drumming, however, does not have a metronome-like steadiness, but rather will slow down or speed up, get louder or softer depending on the state of the shaman’s mind at a given moment. Mongolian and Siberian drums are generally large in diameter and have a deep resonating sound that will vibrate through the shaman’s body, and the drum is frequently held near the face or over the head so that the beat will resonate through the head and upper body with great force.
http://members.tripod.com/Mongolian_Page/shaman.txt
There is a particularity of water which people usually forget: it doesn't fill a space as a basin or a pit because it flows, it flows because it fills spaces...
Water is not in permanent flow looking for spaces to fill, water is pretty much quiet and settles immediately if no external factors set it in movement...
Water also doesn't flow with intention or knowing where it goes, it is carried to places by diverse factors, but itself, it always tries to settle down... if you give this a thought, you may find more than K'an in K'an :bows:
Hi Luis:
I can see in your scan that 習kan were yet in yin bones, but what it meant then?
The upper part are the two wings or plumes.
The lower part don't look like bai (white). Dan Stackhouse sees a face, Lise a sun, modern character is visible white.
Mastering flying as birds do? repeated intents prior to mastering.
The fly of the Sun-Bird? from east to west, also repeated, yet mastered.
The hat of the shaman? repeated plumes, also a master, the pit only goes whith this.
Note that due to the duality inherent in yin/yang so the STRUCTURAL nature of hexagrams complements the PROCEDURAL nature and that covers FLOW. The best example of flow in the IC is the use of Five Phase that covers, in Western terms, production to consumption.
In this realm of flow, hexagram 29 covers internal distribution (hexagram 30 covers external distribution) and represents 'taking it all in' and so including issues of rejection/rejecting and the wearing of a social mask etc.
Thus the link to water covers the need to contain it else it goes all over place - this containment allows for the benefit of water (gets into conservation of water etc and the social element of water trigram covers the focus on being the provider of the necessities of life and the nourishment of life - if the boundary breaks all of this leaks out (just as things can leak in))
Chris.
thus the hexagram is intended to designate an objective situation to which one must become accustomed, not a subjective attitude. for danger due to a subjective attitude is either foolhardiness or guile... it is a situation in which a man is in the same pass as the water in a ravine, and, like the water, he can escape if he behaves correctly.
Never realized before that even Wilhelm mentions the aspect of getting accustomed to the situation.thus the hexagram is intended to designate an objective situation to which one must become accustomed, not a subjective attitude.
Never realized before that even Wilhelm mentions the aspect of getting accustomed to the situation.
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Originally Posted by hmesker
... I believe that ?means 'sound of drumming' instead of 'pit', ... And we know from the Shijing that ?? refers to the sound of drumming...
Harmen:
I like it. Kan-kan sounds ominous as the jungle telegraph (tamtam) and provides a link with shamanism. It remains if we can get better sense for H.29.
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The beating of the shaman drum is the most powerful way to induce trance ... repetitive rhythms at certain frequencies can induce a hypnotic state similar to the trance of shamans. Shaman?s drumming, however, does not have a metronome-like steadiness, but rather will slow down or speed up, get louder or softer depending on the state of the shaman?s mind at a given moment. Mongolian and Siberian drums are generally large in diameter and have a deep resonating sound that will vibrate through the shaman?s body, and the drum is frequently held near the face or over the head so that the beat will resonate through the head and upper body with great force.
http://members.tripod.com/Mongolian_Page/shaman.txt
This quote remembers me what Tony of Niza said about self massaging of wolves howling as opposed to dogs barking. Ominous too.
Yours,
Charly
... Perhaps, as an addendum, should also be remembered that containment is not equal to stop flowing but only to stop external exchange... areas of differentiation by temperature, Ph or density, which will cause internal flow (which could be similar to emotional prioritazing or the eternal fight between logic and emotion)
Harmen: I like it. Kan-kan sounds ominous as the jungle telegraph (tamtam) and provides a link with shamanism. It remains if we can get better sense for H.29...
... I wanted to let you all know that...and am finding the 'Memorizing' strings wonderfully useful...
九二 坎有險。求小得。
jiu3 er4 kan3 you3 xian3 qiu2 xiao3 de2
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