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Hello,
I m seeing this man for nearly two years now, it's a very strange love affair that has been going since.
It seems like our paths always go to one to an other.
Here is the situation : this man (special to my heart) has a girlfriend but we are lovers now from february 2016 with a very strong connection (spritiual, sex, friendship etc).
I casted the following question after a night spend together at my house two days ago :
What will happen next between him and me on the love side?
Result : hexagram 61 to 27 lines 2 ans 5.
Do you have any ideas of the meaning of this YK answer ?
Best and thank you in advance for your feedbacks
Seastar
 

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I think it's a very fortunate result... you will continue to share a lot.
In my opinion, the warning in this result seems to be: You have a great influence on him. I guess, he is really open for your energy. Never underestimate this, always be careful with him and his feelings.
 

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Hex.61.2.5 is a very nice casting. There seems to be a true and close relationship between you and this guy. For Hex 61.2 Minfrod writes: Relatonships among people made on the basis of Good Faith will be deep and lasting. Similar for 61.5.
The Image advises to stay pure in heart and mind meaning not to judge (hastily). Judgement is dissecting.
Personally i would read: the basis of your relationship roots in a common spirituality and thus deeper intimacy. Hex 61.5-> Yin and Yang are even. It seems this relationship is developing further all by itself and there is not need to 'control' it. Let it flow as it flows.

From my personal experience, Hex 61 has to do with serenity / a serene temper too.
 

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You have a great influence on him. I guess, he is really open for your energy. Never underestimate this, always be careful with him and his feelings.
Completely agree, this is a very good thought!
 

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THANK YOU to black milk and Lilly , it's my first post here and my first exchanges with the community and it fulfill me so much to hear from you two :), it'd a blast :))))))
I hear very well your observations and advices that are clearly straight to the point and reflecting the mouvement and energies in this story. being tempered and open to his feelings and listening with attention , not to juge to quickly and let it go also...

I cast an other reading with the following question :
which future for the couple he is forming with his actual girl friend (also i know it's complicated to ask this kind of question but his situation with this other woman , interact some ways with me)
The result is : 62 to 47 lines 2.3.5 . I don't really know what to think of the YK answer.
 

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THANK YOU to black milk and Lilly , it's my first post here and my first exchanges with the community and it fulfill me so much to hear from you two , it'd a blast )))))
I hear very well your observations and advices that are clearly straight to the point and reflecting the mouvement and energies in this story. being tempered and open to his feelings and listening with attention , not to juge to quickly and let it go also...

I cast an other reading with the following question :
which future for the couple he is forming with his actual girl friend (also i know it's complicated to ask this kind of question but his situation with this other woman , interact some ways with me)
The result is : 62 to 47 lines 2.3.5 . I don't really know what to think of the YK answer.
 

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THANK YOU to black milk and Lilly , it's my first post here and my first exchanges with the community and it fulfill me so much to hear from you two , it'd a blast )))))
I hear very well your observations and advices that are clearly straight to the point and reflecting the mouvement and energies in this story. being tempered and open to his feelings and listening with attention , not to juge to quickly and let it go also...

I cast an other reading with the following question :
which future for the couple he is forming with his actual girl friend (also i know it's complicated to ask this kind of question but his situation with this other woman , interact some ways with me)
The result is : 62 to 47 lines 2.3.5 . I don't really know what to think of the YK answer.
 

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HELP WITH THIS READING 62 to 47 lines 2.3.5 . please ;)

THANK YOU to black milk and Lilly , it's my first post here and my first exchanges with the community and it fulfill me so much to hear from you two , it'd a blast )))))
I hear very well your observations and advices that are clearly straight to the point and reflecting the mouvement and energies in this story. being tempered and open to his feelings and listening with attention , not to juge to quickly and let it go also...

I cast an other reading with the following question :
which future for the couple he is forming with his actual girl friend (also i know it's complicated to ask this kind of question but his situation with this other woman , interact some ways with me)
The result is : 62 to 47 lines 2.3.5 . I don't really know what to think of the YK answer.
 

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Hi Seastar,

I cast an other reading with the following question :
which future for the couple he is forming with his actual girl friend (also i know it's complicated to ask this kind of question but his situation with this other woman , interact some ways with me)
The result is : 62 to 47 lines 2.3.5 . I don't really know what to think of the YK answer.
you asked, don´t complain about my answer :)

Plainly Hex62 is about little birds flying. It is saver for little birds to stay near the nest and not soaring too high. I strongly believe the Yi is not talking about their realtionship but talking to you.
It´s advice here is (the way i read it) to you: don´t aim too high, don´t rush, stay low.
Hex62.5 Dense clouds, no rain -> you may be able to 'produce clouds' but they will not come to rain. One will not achieve anything yet.

If you read it as an answer to your question about their future relationship, you can read it like: a limited relationship which works as long as they 'keep it low'.

May be the overall situation is he and his girlfriend have a simple but working relationship. With you he shares more excitement, spirituality, sex etc.. You are the 'higher flying bird' while his girlfriend is the 'bound to ground bird'. And he is in between. If so, you might be in a more unfortunate position as (from my experience) 'ground' comes usually first in such constellations.

This is just some food for thought ...
 

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THANK YOU to black milk and Lilly , it's my first post here and my first exchanges with the community and it fulfill me so much to hear from you two , it'd a blast )))))
I hear very well your observations and advices that are clearly straight to the point and reflecting the mouvement and energies in this story. being tempered and open to his feelings and listening with attention , not to juge to quickly and let it go also...

I cast an other reading with the following question :
which future for the couple he is forming with his actual girl friend (also i know it's complicated to ask this kind of question but his situation with this other woman , interact some ways with me)
The result is : 62 to 47 lines 2.3.5 . I don't really know what to think of the YK answer.
You have posted this 4 times.

The result is : 62 to 47 lines 2.3.5 . I don't really know what to think of the YK answer.
What is a YK answer ? What does YK stand for ?

Your avatar is horrible, a severed and bloody hand ? Can't quite see it but that is what it looks like. Yuk

If he has a girlfriend why are you with him ? If she is his actual girlfriend with the title 'girlfriend' what are you meant to be ?
 

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Dear Lilly,
Thank you so much for your reply :) it's sounds so right to me !
The good thing about all of this story is that i feel i m in the right path as i m not asking for ' usual' commitment in my life now and i chose to be honest about my feelings even if it's a little unconventional.
Him and me share some very precious rare and beautiful moments , thoughts, creatives paths etc. we push each others to a very free and constructive path , together or not .
I cast again regarding about our relationship : what is the next path between us: 13.2.3.4 to 61 again ! peace and love come to my mind when i write these lines.
Lilly , i love hearing from you :) and i hope to be helpful in return to you one day :)

Best
J
 

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Dear Lilly,
Thank you so much for your reply :) it's sounds so right to me !
The good thing about all of this story is that i feel i m in the right path as i m not asking for ' usual' commitment in my life now and i chose to be honest about my feelings even if it's a little unconventional.
Him and me share some very precious rare and beautiful moments , thoughts, creatives paths etc. we push each others to a very free and constructive path , together or not .
I cast again regarding about our relationship : what is the next path between us: 13.2.3.4 to 61 again ! peace and love come to my mind when i write these lines.
Lilly , i love hearing from you :) and i hope to be helpful in return to you one day :)

Best
J
 

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Dear Trojiona,
I don't feel good replying anything deep to you , you're seem to be agressive and not happy with my question, so in my space and point of view i prefer not to communicate with you sorry .
And no , it's not blood in my hand but a little sea star from the sea ... you see, we don't see things the same way.
And i posted four times the thread because my browser is messy and i can't edit ou delete any posts.
Best
 

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Dear Trojiona,
I don't feel good replying anything deep to you , you're seem to be agressive and not happy with my question, so in my space and point of view i prefer not to communicate with you sorry .
You can always utilize the 'Ignore' function of the forum.

It would be a pity though,
because we grow and learn through being challenged.
 

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thank you moss Elk ;) for sure we need to be challenged but from what i felt it's not about challenge but short cut quiet agressive judgment there .. but i m still open and i didn't know there was a ignore fonction.
 

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After you log in,
you can click on Community,
then scroll down to inbox.
The ignore button is on the left.

Or you may see a small pop up on the top of the screen saying 'message'
either way brings you to the same place.
 

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OK Trojina,
First of all , you don't even say hi or hello or nice to meet you ..
So i m going to say it for you :
Dear Trojina , nice to meet you .
You don't like my avatar and this is not a problem , i don't care in fact if you like it or not .
Also i don't really have any judgment on yours.
I m , not HIS girlfriend , if you took the time to read my post you would have understand that .
And in 2017 , i think we can not be always classified as girlfriend or not , i would prefer soulmate our soul sister or many other termes than just ... girlfriend.
But , yes , it's challenging to see things differently than black or white ...
To finish, the YK is a incredible dialogue within souls and not only ... i have been initiated by my father when i was ten , himself initiated by his grand mother and the same age etc. YK is something that will survive above all ... so here , in the community it's about dialogue and exchanges and also maybe growing up always a little bit more ...
so YK stand for that in my very very little opinion .
Also , it would be interesting to get your feedback regarding my second answer .
I would be delighted to know what is a YK answer to you ? What does YK stand for to you ?
Sea U soon maybe
Seastar
 

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When you say YK,
do you mean Yi Jing or I Ching?
(it still isn't clear.)
 

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Backtracking...



Dear Trojiona,
I don't feel good replying anything deep to you , you're seem to be agressive and not happy with my question, so in my space and point of view i prefer not to communicate with you sorry .
And no , it's not blood in my hand but a little sea star from the sea ...
I think you're right my post sounds a bit aggressive but I think that is more to do with a collection of questions/statements that together sound aggressive than anything actually aggressive. To break down the offending post of 4 sentences.

I said

You have posted this 4 times.
That's just a fact I was pointing out.

What is a YK answer ? What does YK stand for ?
I asked since I do not know what YK might stand for

Your avatar is horrible, a severed and bloody hand ? Can't quite see it but that is what it looks like. Yuk
To me it looks like fingers chopped off a bloody hand so it was a bit shocking. I can see you might find this aggressive so I am sorry for that. I cannot see a star even with my glasses on.

If he has a girlfriend why are you with him ? If she is his actual girlfriend with the title 'girlfriend' what are you meant to be ?
To me that seems a central question you'd need to ask yourself but if you prefer not to then of course that is your prerogative.

I m , not HIS girlfriend , if you took the time to read my post you would have understand that .
I know you aren't his girlfriend, he already has one, you said quite clearly that here in your first post


Here is the situation : this man (special to my heart) has a girlfriend but we are lovers now from february 2016

To finish, the YK is a incredible dialogue within souls and not only ... i have been initiated by my father when i was ten , himself initiated by his grand mother and the same age etc. YK is something that will survive above all ... so here , in the community it's about dialogue and exchanges and also maybe growing up always a little bit more ...
so YK stand for that in my very very little opinion
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I'm afraid I still don't know what you mean by YK. That is why I asked.

Also , it would be interesting to get your feedback regarding my second answer .
I would be delighted to know what is a YK answer to you ? What does YK stand for to you ?
I really am baffled, I have no idea what YK means ? I'm guessing it is your shorthand for the I Ching but why would you call it YK ? Did you mean you were initiated into the I Ching when you were ten ? Do you mean he introduced it to you ?


I don't feel good replying anything deep to you , you're seem to be agressive and not happy with my question, so in my space and point of view i prefer not to communicate with you sorry
I think that's fair enough. I'm sorry I upset you.
 

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Dear Trojan,
I 'm glad you reply quickly and with good feelings this time , i m not upset anymore and very happy to meet you this time ;)
YK is YJ sorry it's a bad habit to call it IK: YI JING for sure than.
Regarding my position to this man , i really don't know what to think , all i know is that he is precious to me and that he helps me a lot and that we share a lot and life but our paths together even when we don't mean to.
I ask the YJ what kind of union and why i should be experiencing it with him ?
and i had the following result :
Straight 58 and 1.1.2 to 33 , also i asked to question and i had two replies .
Maybe you could help me on these ones ? all of this situation is very important and secret to me ...
dear Trojina, i would be glad to hear from you :)
 

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Thank you for understanding :bows:

The reason I said to you that if he had a girlfriend what role did you have is, for me, well that's a big deal. If he has a girlfriend but he's your lover does that mean he lies to his girlfriend ? Does he tell her about you ? If he is open about you and you all have open relationships it's okay but it doesn't seem okay to me if he lies about you or keeps you secret because then he is hurting his girlfriend.

All these factors mean I can't, am not willing, to interpret readings about it. Whether we use the I Ching or not in matters of conscience of what we think is right or wrong it's still totally down to us. As I said if he lies to her he hurts her therefore he either needs to be with her or be with you or I guess be completely honest and have totally open relationships but it sounds to me like he is lying to her.

I shouldn't have posted here in the first place because I have quite strong views about this and it's impossible for me to comment on the readings given that. But you have had some answers from others so hopefully they will help you out.

I hope you understand and sorry once again for upsetting you. :bows:
 

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Dear Trojina,
It's exactly how i felt in the first place with your first reply : this matter touches you more than my questions .
So , i understand it's best for you to keep yourself out of it as your answers might not be neutral.
Also, i completely understand it and do not juge it at all. It's a shame for me tho because i would have love to hear from you on this...
The fact that is lying to her is not the main problem to me here , as i m quiet sure that she is lying to him and stay with him by confort and for love. Anyway , keep in touch ans do not hesitate to come back here if you feel like :)
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Dear Seastar,

I cast again regarding about our relationship : what is the next path between us: 13.2.3.4 to 61 again ! peace and love come to my mind when i write these lines.
currently this is a triangular relationship. A triangle is the first level of stability (you know f. e. when you build furniture-> chair with 3 legs is stable and with 4 legs, second level, it is even more stable..etc..) the most stable triangle is the one where the distance between each of the 3 points (in case of a chair-> the legs) is equal.
Hex13 talks about the same distance and level among the members of a group. Thus this group is stable. In Line 3 and 4 of Hex 13 an outsider is painted who observes /spies on the others and is even prepared to attack. There is mistrust. Regarding the stable triangle, this spy/observer is too far away from the others to form a stable / levelled relationship.

I believe your reading can be read as
a) a warning: don´t let mistrust gain ground as this will destabilize the situation
b) a foretelling: the triangle will be distabilized by mistrust and faction

Personally i would say Hex61 and here line 2 should be your overall advisor for now and the future. Don't let yourself be dragged into Hex13.3 or 4. Keep a sound / healthy distance.

best Lilly - and thx for your trust, i hope i deserve it :)
 

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Dear Seastar,

I believe your reading can be read as
a) a warning: don´t let mistrust gain ground as this will destabilize the situation
b) a foretelling: the triangle will be distabilized by mistrust and faction

Personally i would say Hex61 and here line 2 should be your overall advisor for now and the future. Don't let yourself be dragged into Hex13.3 or 4. Keep a sound / healthy distance.
The mistrust thing already started as you can see in this thread. You, SEASTAR74 asked almost the same question twice although the first result was wonderful. -- For me that indicates, that you do not fully rely on the situation.

And talking about 13.3, the purpose of one your questions was 'spying' on the relationship of your lover and his girlfriend:

which future for the couple he is forming with his actual girl friend (also i know it's complicated to ask this kind of question but his situation with this other woman , interact some ways with me)
So I would agree with Lilly, concentrate on your first result and follow the advice you were given by it. For example:
The Image advises to stay pure in heart and mind meaning not to judge (hastily). Judgement is dissecting.
If you deceided to be the concubine, for what reason ever, then take it light-heartedly. Otherwise it will be difficult -- the Yi is not even needed to state this.
But your result and comments reveal for me, that you secretly long for more but try to accept that he is not fully available. (13.2, 13.6)
Please correct me if I am wrong.
 

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P.S I am sorry, I spelled your name wrong and the edit function doesn't work right now :hissy:
 

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The mistrust thing already started as you can see in this thread. You, SEASTAR74 asked almost the same question twice although the first result was wonderful. -- For me that indicates, that you do not fully rely on the situation.
There is truth in black milk´s words. You move the opposite direction YI told you first. Dive into 61 and a bit 62. It will take months anyway to grasp the meaning of both Hex´s. It`ll be a good investment.
best L. :)

PS and foget about the 'concubine'. You are no concubine. Life is sometimes just not that straight as moral wishes.

bye for now
 

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Thank you so much Lilly and Black Milk,
You made me realizes that i have effectively put some distance and mistrust between him and me but i suppose it's my way to protect myself ... i m not secretly waiting for something but i m wondering where all of this will take me ... and also i m frightened to mess up his life. I m very good in keeping a correct distance and also very good to be there when it feels right to be .
What scared me the most is to lose my freedom among everything ... and i don't want him to be in my life 100 % i try to connect myself to my real feelings and probably try to find a new path for love in my life :) i really like what you said Lilly : Life is sometimes just not straight as moral wishes ... i cast the following question earlier:
Regarding my position to this man , i really don't know what to think , all i know is that he is precious to me and that he helps me a lot and that we share a lot and life but our paths together even when we don't mean to.
I ask the YJ what kind of union and why i should be experiencing it with him ?
and i had the following result :
Straight 58 and 1.1.2 to 33 , also i asked to question and i had two replies .
Maybe you could help me on these ones too ?
Also you should know that my first language isn't english so sometimes it's difficult for me to get the right understanding here.
Once again, Thank you so much to you all ;)
BEST
 

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English is also not my first language. So, to avoid misunderstandings -- concubine was not said in a moralist way. Tomorrow more, good nite
 
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