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"Thunder in the marsh: the image of Following. The superior man, in accordance with this, at nightfall enters his house and rests."
Perhaps odd, but bad things don't happen until they happen. Any one of us lives maybe many thousands of moments, and then suddenly ... heart attack ... or stroke, or we get run over by a bus! But why? It may be small comfort, but I do hope they find out it was an accident and not an intentional act..... I was asking generally as I found it strange that such a Cathedral where large amounts of incense has been burnt for 700 years without any damage caused by it "suddenly" goes up in fire, I mean it's a bit strange, so dear I: "Why ?"
Perhaps odd, but bad things don't happen until they happen. Any one of us lives maybe many thousands of moments, and then suddenly ... heart attack ... or stroke, or we get run over by a bus! But why?
According to King Wen's arrangement of the eight primary gua, Thunder symbolizes the sun rising in the east, and Lake the sun setting in the west. "Thunder in the midst of Lake" symbolizes that sunrise will surely follow sunset, that time continues in the proper order.
)The aim of this gua  is to expound the principle of harmony and delight. When one has accomplished great achievements and still remains humble, people will be delighted to gather around.
Could Thunder below Lake symbolize a live electrical cord in water?
At 6:20 p.m. local time (12 p.m. ET) on Monday, a fire alarm rang out, interrupting mass. Security guards started to evacuate the cathedral even though they did not see any sign of a fire
Twenty-three minutes later, at 6:43 p.m. (12:43 p.m. ET), a second alarm blared and the fire was visible at that point, the fire department said.
I read today that cigarette butts were found where the repair work was being done, even though there was a stern warning by the company doing the renovations that no smoking was allowed. Unfortunately those words - rules-weren’t followed. Could a spark from a discarded cigarette have started the blaze?
Hi Rosada! Long time admirer of your I Ching wisdom & committment. I've been following your posts here for over 10 years-and just joined
I loved your insight about electrical cord based on the trigams, outstanding! That's indeed believed to be the cause now.
Based on a variety of reports, from numerous sources I've followed over the weeks (including France) : Renovation-restoration sites such as Notre Dame apparently regularly have fire incidents. The nature of such sites make it almost impossible to adhere to all fire regulations and precautions, and this was apparently definitely the case with Notre Dame. The linseed oil used at restoration sites is highly flammable, in the case of this event the wiring was apparently so very, very very old ,as the funds to make necessary to upgrade the infrastructure were not made available in Presidencys with other dubious committments. I am also led to understand the
exact evidence to ascertain the cause was destroyed by the fire. (that contradicts the wiring diagnosis- perhaps the latter news was released afterward) RE: cigarette butts, honestly this sounds extremely far fetched to me and typical news media scapegoating. The people hired to do such incredibly delicate, responsible work are very highly trained, carefully selected, working in confined environments - they know exactly what they are doing. Further, A cigarette butt tossed aside would have combusted almost immediately, taking the
smoker along with the rest of the buildling!
Anyone care to consult the Yi on this? I just did
'Whats the spiritual reason for the recent Notre Dame fire?'
trigrams : mountain turning into fire! Amazing!
If you receive Sun as primary or related hexagram, Yi tells you to respect others as equals and sources of values. They are not more or less than you, being different means that they have talents which can complement yours. No formalities are necessary. Explore what you can accomplish together. Enhance each other's talents, create a whole. Do not take advantage of anyone, reward every help you get.
to me, this points out exactly what I referred to earlier - what the Church represents, the Gilet Jaunes demands for equality, the myopia of the Macron presidency
Li Se line 4:
Make others want contact with you. Clean up yourself, be tolerant and clear – nobody wants an arrogant, rude or smelly friend, neither an insecure or grovelling one. Make yourself your own best version and it will shine on your surroundings as well.
The last sentence made refer to the renovations now being considered? Spiritually, perhaps
this rejuevantes the Church also, in that Notre Dame was such a pivotal building not only in France and not only for the religious. France is a secular society after all, yet it still valued this building. All measurements of distance in Paris actually start at Notre Dame
1-What time of day did you cast this reading?
2-What time do you usually go to bed?
I ask because everyone is assuming you got a direct answer to the question.
(and I am not convinced you did)
Thanks all. I was especially interested in the 'why' component of the question and was a bit disappointed some interpreted that as 'how' - 'why' seems more relevant to me, because at such times my first thought is what the spiritual benefit or context is - there is always a benefit to everything.
I take Trojinas advice to ignore the relating hexagram when one line changes.
I checked Bradford (I salute you sir, if you're still around) for Decreasing 41 chaning line 4.
Seems to precisely match the conclusion my friend came to in the wake of the fire, about freeing the burden of suffering represented by the Church and the history of Notre Dame!!
What difference does time of day make ? And what difference does what time he went to bed make ?
This is a really odd thread.
Because you know full well that we do not always get direct answers.
Here is what I see:
Svenrus was thinking /concerned/ worried about this matter (that he has no real vested interest in.) 30 minutes before his usual bed time. (This is a time that is best used to relax before sleeping.) He asked Yi a question about the matter and Yi told him to give it a rest. Looks pretty simple and obvious to me.
Liselle: I was asking for the cause, the reason. I've been thinking on sparks from a ritual thurible / censer: the trigram Tui being the vessel and the trigram Chén causing the spark /s. But it also could be from a tobacco pibe: the upper nuclear trigram Kén: Wood....
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