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Again, that's not always the case . . I very rarely measure them up like that. It might be 'obvious' for some of us but it doesn't work like that for everyone, or in every case ( I mean not everyone understands or perceives those hexagrams together, or in terms of antithesis . .)
I noticed while reading and writing in these threads on hex 11 unchanging and hex 12 unchanging how they are so enmeshed/intertwined it's quite easy to mistake one for the other as Graham did....and I'm finding in my own thoughts I now cannot think of one without thinking of the other. This has probably always been totally obvious on an intellectual level but I certainly haven't been so aware of it before.
I wonder if unchanging hexagrams are particulary reflective of/interactive with their pair when we perceive them directly via our own experiences.
Your stating experiences of hex 11 UC are contrary to what is commonly understood from the text of Yi or its interpretation by Ten Wings (or, the understanding to me).
People might and can have different interpretations of each hexagram or line according to the phenomenon created by the images, or the text, or … of a hexagram or line. However, in my opinion, hex 11 UC is definitely a positive hexagram (remarks: its lines are of different stories) but an ongoing state. Hex 11 will change to hex 12 if the trigram Chien eventually ascends to the top and the trigram Kun descends to the bottom.
Divination had been developed from everything resorting to gods and ghosts in Shang gradually to a society of emphasizing the cultivation of civilization in late Zhou; therefore Yi interpreted by Ten Wings (i.e. the I Ching) also became a philosophy of human life, which includes the concept of life IN STAGES. In addition, Yi itself never guarantees success (only 17.1 said: a merit is achievable by changing what one is engaging in and following the trend).
What shall we say? Change the coins?
Or, such a bad luck, even Yi won’t tell the truth.
Yi lies still there. People are the one who practices divination.
The accuracy of divination (i.e. how to get a right hexagram or line to the question) is that which people always try to pursue.
Regards
Tuck
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Dear Trojan,
I do agree with you to start another thread. My question will be: shall we follow the good experiences here, or the bad experiences? how shall we do if our defining hex sometimes turns out to be positive and sometimes negative
From a point onwards, these ideas become a cluster of experiences, previous thoughts, feelings, our more personal 'sense' of what the hexagram stands for.
Hi All,
While lurking in the Clarity forums today, I noticed the "Donate" button. So I asked: What would be the effect of donating? I received 11 (Flow) unchanging. This seems like a auspicious reading for a site where ideas and interpretations flow back and forth, so I donated.
Hilary will have to let us know how this reading turns out. But I just wanted to show my gratitude to everyone on this site who has been so encouraging and helpful, especially Hilary for creating this forum. I probably should have donated more.
Thanks!
Chibi Chan
Thank you! The donation button is a new thing (just added on the 1st), and its 'results' so far are one heart-warmed and much encouraged website owner.
:bows:
Wondering if anyone has any more actual experiences of hexagram 11 unchanging to share ? Doesn't matter what they are...they don't have to fit with what hexagram 11 is meant to be about becasue it seems to me our experience especially with unchanging hexagram doesn't always conform to what the words say in the books
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