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Which, if true, means 17.6 is endgame, cuz the time of following is past.
Well if your're following something what is the highpoint of that ?
even obsessionally (is 'obsessionally' a word?)
But does the sacrifice sacrifice all that? I'm thinking maybe it does, cuz of the parallel with 17.3 (line 3 and line 6 sometimes echo each other, right?).
Dobro / Trojan - Interesting dialogue here.
IMO - In general terms you make a sacrifice i.e give one thing up to allow room for something else to take it's place, manifext itself in your life.
17.6 is about making this room to allow a connection with something greater and as such it's a positive expansion. It is an end in some respects, but more of a starting point for something better.
Onwards and upwards - following a path that is right and correct for you at that time.
Mike
more sombre view of the line taken by the learned, you know like Luis
Perhaps i should refer to you as 'My Learned Friend' from now on, or 'Luis the Learned' - well c'mon Luis you know you have to distinguish yourself from us peasants
Yeah Mykey/Topal I was leaning to your view but it doesn't fit with the more sombre view of the line taken by the learned, you know like Luis and Brad who actually translate from Chinese - so I'm not that sure if we bark up the right tree, but still I think it is one of the most nebulous lines in the Yi. I guess we have to look to experience too.
Reading some of the other threads on 17.6 I'm not sure that the "learned people" are sure what to make of this line when they translate it from the original Chinese.
Hi Trojan
Reading some of the other threads on 17.6 I'm not sure that the "learned people" are sure what to make of this line when they translate it from the original Chinese. Sombre was never a strong suit for me, it all seems much too dark and serious. We should always try to allow the light to shine in and bring the clowns with it. I don't want to be too dogmatic here, but I think the tree we are barking up has as much right to be spreading it's branches as any other.
Mike
Dobro / Trojan - Interesting dialogue here.
IMO - In general terms you make a sacrifice, i.e give one thing up, to allow room for something else to take it's place, manifest itself in your life.
17.6 is about making this room to allow a connection with something greater and as such it's a positive expansion. It is an end in some respects, but more of a starting point for something better.
Onwards and upwards - following a path that is right and correct for you at that time.
Mike
Regarding 17.6, let's remember that the context of my opinion is based on the subject of the thread (Highpoint vs Endgame) and thus is very narrow. Actual interpretations in a reading are contextual with the subject brought up by the querent and can very well differ. I do think this line is one of the most ambiguous one in the Yi.
ps Luis: I think in answer to your previous question, I think of that word as 'him', referring to the king.
I can't see that King and 'him' can be the same person ? Wilhelm says "The king introduces him" That doesn't make sense if you say the 'him' = the king
Just thinking aloud really, maybe we are meant to identify with the king i just never saw it that way before.
I think Dobro is talking about the character zhi1 (之), which is a valid translation...
I think you are definitely doing the following but there is a development, a maturity of what you need to follow as there is progression up the hexagram. Is it not something like following your base instincts at the lower lines with following of a higher spiritual ideal at the higher lines.?
By the time you have matured to line 6 maybe you are a king and the sacrifice that you have to make is taking you to higher places.
Mike
Ah yes I forgot Dobro was on the path to the learned
Just thinking aloud really, maybe we are meant to identify with the king i just never saw it that way before.
Hey! Where's the bowing head next to that??
No I can't go that far in light of the fact Dobro nearly had a fan club a little while ago. Several females said they loved him in one thread, he promised printed t-shirts and everything and i wouldn't like the fame to go to his head.
You have a lower and a higher self. When you are living correctly, the lower self follows the higher self. When you living the rather automatic life of the average self-centered person, the ego usurps the role of leader.
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