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Line 5 is the end game. You have learnt how to sieze the moment and adapt your behaviour in all circumstances to what is right. So you have reached some sort of Sage status. People respect and follow the example you set and advice given.
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Could it be that 17.6 has to do with catching things? ... "Embrace (cherish) it and relate with it. (Only) then follow and catch it. The king offers a sacrifice at the Western Mountain."
... it will apply to more than catching dinner, there are lots of things which have to be caught because they will not fall in your lap by themselves... Interesting is that one of the meanings of wei2 'catch' is netting.
I hope I am not disturbing anything...
Sorry - you get socks.
I'm just dropping into this thread. I haven't read most of it so, like LiSe, I also hope I don't disturb anything (what's the matter with us Dutch nowadays, how come we are so polite all of a sudden? We conquered half the world once, destroyed the Spanish armada, bombed the hell out of the British, and so on and so on. How polite is that? What has happened to us? ).
A follow-up note on 17.6 and 17 in general. "Discipline means 'to follow'," writes Warren Kenton. I never thought of 17 as any kind of discipline before, but more as emulation. But following as 'discipline' works. That would make it, not so much something that touches your heart and makes you want to follow it, but something that you're actually dedicated to and working on. If that's the case, then 17.6 would come across as the epitome of following, as unshakable dedication and discipline, to the point where the leading light of the whole process sacrifices on the Western Mountain. Epitome.
So, if you followed what I wrote earlier (either as a matter of discipline or because it touched your heart ) 17.6 would be a 'master' line?
Yes, levels, good point. But maybe it's not so difficult to translate 'master' and 'saint' to more mundane levels?
When I try to think more in general of a 'master type' I imagine energy going downward, towards the earth. And outward.
The emphasis is on realising something out there. And striving for a certain degree of controle and perfection in this. Perfection in tennis, carpentry, whatever. Breathing out.
The energy of the 'saint type' (perhaps 'saint' is a somewhat confusing word here), on the other hand, goes upward and inward. The emphasis is on inner realisation, self controle, and so on. Breathing in.
Makes sense?
Hi Martin
Some interesting thoughts on energy flow here for " masters" and "saints".
In your original post you also mentioned prophets along with masters and saints.
How do you see the energy flow for a prophet?
Mike
Yes, levels, good point. But maybe it's not so difficult to translate 'master' and 'saint' to more mundane levels?
When I try to think more in general of a 'master type' I imagine energy going downward, towards the earth. And outward.
The emphasis is on realising something out there. And striving for a certain degree of controle and perfection in this. Perfection in tennis, carpentry, whatever. Breathing out.
The energy of the 'saint type' (perhaps 'saint' is a somewhat confusing word here), on the other hand, goes upward and inward. The emphasis is on inner realisation, self controle, and so on. Breathing in.
Makes sense?
Rather than energy going in and up, or out and down, I see the energy of the saint and master as being different styles for the sake of personal evolution. My view of the saint and the master is that energy goes both in and up, down and out, in the lives of each, but it manifests in a different way. Pretty much in the same way that a man of action and a woman of finely tuned emotion will deal with life's opportunities and challenges in different ways and using a different skill set, but achieve something worthwhile nevertheless.
And I think you can see in daily life that the 'dominant' types tend to emphasize inhaling. They try to make themselves 'big'. Sometimes to such an extent that their chest is permanently overexpanded. As if they don't dare to exhale because they are afraid that that would make them small and vulnerable.
The 'yielding' types tend to do the opposite.
Interesting differences between our models. I link 'ego' to line 3 and 4. For you it's a line 2 issue.
It depends on how you define 'ego', I guess. I suppose you relate it more to egocentricity while I see it more as false self, not authentic. And egocentricity can be authentic.
But line 2 represents a relatively undeveloped, 'primitive' self in both models. Raw diamond?
And yet, for me, the high point of 23 is line 5, not that yang at the top. The height of stripping away seems not to be the yang at the top, but the topmost yin of the stripping away process.
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