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The overall meaning is organized in terms of the sets of 10 hexagrams illustrating the philosophical points of analysis that can be traced to Poem 42 of Lao Tsu or more exactly given in the Pythagorean Tetraktys.
fkegan said:... I do have a correspondence of the 360 hexagram lines (hex 3-62) to the 360 degrees of the Zodiac which leaves the first pair and last pair of hexagrams to represent the cardinal points of the horoscope--sunrise, sunset, heaven and earth. So, my perspective includes yours in terms of associating 5 hexagrams to the 30 degrees of each astrological sign.
Let me clue you in to a bit of a secret about the fine detail of astrophysical correspondence to the multiple decimal points...none of it means anything. The great understanding of the ancients was that things in the natural world DID NOT exactly and precisely match up to anything. Much better to use a symbolic circle of 360 degrees and not get hung up in the trivia. With symbolic geometry you can actually make sense of timing cycles, timing analogs, and timing analysis of YOUR life and fundamental questions.
Things have to have connections, you can't just grab the easily corollary to your established expectations and assume that is really the deep reality of everything else.
Evidence, connection, logical argument, something, please.:bows:
1. Where is your evidence that the authors of the Yi knew about Pythagorean Theorems???
2. You may not know this, but the Chinese have traditionally divided the heavens into 365.25 degrees, not 360 degrees.
3. I agree with you here... so where is the connection between assigning meaning to groups of 10 hexagrams, when the entire yi seems to be either binary (yin/yang) or "base 6" (6 lines per hexagram)?
1. On my website of course, check my signature for directions.
More accurate statement is that Pythagoras joined the 6th century BCE global awareness which the King Wen Sequence centuries earlier expressed, though no explanation manual was left by King Wen so folks continue to think erroneously that (3) the Yi seems either binary or base 6 or having two kinds of lines Yin and Yang.
Try two sets of 7 year silent meditations and check back with me (secret--it is the 14 years of life development which is truly effective medicine for your problem).
2) Glad to see you agree with me that your post that the 64 hexagrams were 12 lunar months and 4 left over is silly. The ancient Chinese were clearly well aware of the solar calendar; and such a primitive lunar approximation was a not reasonable option.
Silliness aside, the King Wen Sequence put into the matrix of the Tetraktys (which can also be extracted from Poem 42 and the Tai Chi symbol) gives an elegant and insightful explanation of the association of particular sequence numbers to specific hexagram line patterns. It is then self-evident that this is the explanation and meaning of the KWS.
what are you saying? that there are in actuality 4 kinds of lines... (young and old, solid and broken?) That still doesn't explain why they supposedly organized the whole thing in groups of 10. Stop banging your head against that wall and say what you mean.
Hmmm, if I understand Frank correctly, I think he doesn't believe in the duality within hexagrams. No yin/yang... Hexagrams resemble peg-boards where you hang solid lines... But, more than likely, I'm wrong...
Add to all that the hexagrams can be related to the synapse connections of the brain neurons and you have a theory of brain function to produce meaning that has no origin in language or learned perception or any of those quaint objective notions
Quick, someone call Chris!!
ompom:---------[ Why do I feel so cheap....? ]
Chris was Mr. Spock. Frank here is Lt. Commander Data...
so where is the connection between assigning meaning to groups of 10 hexagrams, when the entire yi seems to be either binary (yin/yang) or "base 6" (6 lines per hexagram)?
Hi Luis,
For me, ompom: feels cheap since the rest of her body isn't drawn in with its complex angular momenta to balance the forces set loose by her pom-pom action.
I looked up Chris Lofting he is a computer scientist who thinks dichotomy is primary. I prefer to use Chinese number philosophy. Looking through Wiegar, S.J. I came upon Lesson 24 A Shih2 + the number 10,The number that contains all the other simple numbers. 24 C Shih4, an affair, a thing...Because all things are comprised between the two terms of numeration [one] and [ten]. By extension a sage.
Gee... Where is your imagination?? But, of course, is not the same when you use that clip. Lightangel, oh the other hand...
Brave man, going after Chris. Where were you a year ago? I would have reached for a bucket of popcorn, a beer, sat down, and watch the ensuing arm-wrestlings...
Ultimately, my imagination with the pom-pom smiley went to how would I feel if your dragon's fire was coming her way, toasting her fluffy pom-poms while she continued to dance and cheer and tan herself with ever more intense tan lines.
Frank
I spent a few decades arm wrestling the likes of Chris L and getojack but now after being a short while in the public school teaching racket (and being in my 7th decade--7th ) I just smile and go for the simple logic [also called the jugular].
Are you kidding? I'm brave online; if I ever came across Lightangel in pom-poms (or Trojan, in black, high-heeled boots and a whip), I would most likely have a "fire-throwing dysfunction"... I don't think any lab is working on a blue pill for that kind of problems for dragons... Or are they?
Hey, I saw in another of your posts that you're 60 years old... I don't arm wrestle old men...
And I didn't notice any response at all from you to all my pointed questions about your unexamined and unsupported assumptions. When you find yourself unable to respond to philosophical disputation, sticking out your tongue is considered a gesture of surrender.
So, you've lost this round of "arm wrestling" too.
Be patient, sport.... the game's not over yet. Your reply is coming...
...to be continued
When does the match start? I understand that the debate will be about an issue that is only mildly interesting, if at all. How many angels fit on the tip of a needle (42 of course!) or something similar. But if there is popcorn ...
You may pick your arena to challenge the survivor of this match if you wish?
{bold underlining added}Hmm, I don't know Frank, if you survive this match and I challenge you we will have two mildly(?) uninteresting sweating OLD gladiators in the next.
I'm afraid nobody will want to watch that, not even if Hilary gives her excellent popcorn for free!
"At age 7, we begin learning what it means to be responsible, not just for our belongings, but for our actions and deeds as well. Through ages 7 to 13 we develop further emotionally as we are introduced to larger issues of morality, ethics, loyalty, and the rules of relationships.
[Then a chunk about the teens with no specific ages mentioned, but sentences you could map effortlessly to 15-16 and 17-18.]
...Finally, the power of the spirit emerges around the age of 21, as you begin to see beyond the physical aspect of life to find symbolic meaning in your actions... Around age 28 you naturally transition into the next cycle of your life as an interconnected, responsible adult."
By the bye, YOU have already been challenged
fkegan said:Gia-Fu noted the difference between Zen volleyball and Taoist volleyball. The Buddhists tried to keep the volley eternal, thus no one ever scored any points. The Taoist played totally competitive volley ball to win the 21 points as soon as possible and then ignored the score and the win, it was just exercise and release of tensions.
fkegan said:The meaning of any hexagram is best given by its KWS number and the placement of its Yang lines in the open space of the Yin-gua. Response?
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